johnnnyboy
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posted April 03, 2008 12:46 PM
synthetic automobile oil
ive read a few post here talking about oil grades are you guys using synthetic automobile oil in your bikes ?
  
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KZScott
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posted April 03, 2008 12:57 PM
no, the stuff for cars can have stuff in it that might make the clutch more prone to slip. friction modifiers or something....
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posted April 03, 2008 01:02 PM
ya thats what I was thinking
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posted April 03, 2008 01:34 PM
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no, the stuff for cars can have stuff in it that might make the clutch more prone to slip. friction modifiers or something....
Wrong, won't cause any issues.
I like Royal purple..., 1000 passes, and if I had not switched pans, it would still be going.......
I like 5W20 or 5w30.
Royal Purple says I can go 0w10, but I am not that brave........
Have Castrol 5w30 in right now, breaking in a new set of rings........
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posted April 03, 2008 04:26 PM
it will make a kz slip anyway...
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posted April 03, 2008 07:10 PM
I know some guys that ran em, had synthetic in thiers....
I have heard those stories, but never seen it proven.......
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posted April 04, 2008 06:03 AM
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no, the stuff for cars can have stuff in it that might make the clutch more prone to slip. friction modifiers or something....
Wrong, won't cause any issues.
I like Royal purple..., 1000 passes, and if I had not switched pans, it would still be going.......
I like 5W20 or 5w30.
Royal Purple says I can go 0w10, but I am not that brave........
Have Castrol 5w30 in right now, breaking in a new set of rings........
You are wrong here! There are a FEW Car Oils that may not ruin your clutch but most will with the "Friction Modifiers" and a few other things. The real problem is the shearing of the oil by the transmision Gears. Bike only oils have a different additive package even when the Oils are the same!
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zrexpilot
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posted April 04, 2008 07:38 AM
I change the oil to much to care what I put in it. I run car oil as well, and i am not the one with spun bearings, broken transmissions, burnt clutches etc etc.
I doesnt freakin matter. Some of you guys are too anal about oil.
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psycho1122
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posted April 04, 2008 09:00 AM
All the oil labled "Energy Conserving" are the oils witht the "Friction Modifier" additive.
All others are just fine for use in your wet clutch motorcycle.
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posted April 04, 2008 02:24 PM
Run the oils marked RACING. They are the ones that still have zinc, molybnium, (sp?), etc in them, all the others dont......
Thats why I run Racing 11 or Racing 21.
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johnnnyboy
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posted April 05, 2008 07:16 AM
well i went with the moble 1 synthetic MX4 some thing like that 60 bucks for 4 liters I hope its good stuff
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psycho1122
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posted April 05, 2008 07:46 AM
The Mobil1 15w50 will do you just as well if not better in some areas and not spend as much coin.
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posted April 06, 2008 08:16 PM
It's my opinion that any of the automotive synthetics won't hurt anything or cause clutch slip, BUT the oils formulated and labeled for motorcycle use are better than non syn car oils due to the additives that deter molecular shearing in the transmissions. Remember most auto mfgs use gear oil in the gearboxes and std engine oil in the engine. The motorcycle oil needs to do both jobs. I believe (and have been told by oil industry professionals) that the syns also meet the needs of the double duty.
I'm not particularly a fan of Mobile 1 since I've seen higher temps on the data acquisition with that in my ZX-11 engine (and my Corvette dash gauge). The Motul 300V gave me about 5 deg cooler temp and has 3-5 psi more pressure at the same temp in my ZX-11.
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posted April 07, 2008 11:40 AM
Racing Oil is Perfect for Racing but the additive package is not as good for the street. I have never heard Anything Bad from anyone using Motul
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posted April 07, 2008 01:27 PM
Why would it not be better? Not saying other syns would not be fine for the street....., or even to race....., but there are differences......
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posted April 07, 2008 03:16 PM
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Why would it not be better? Not saying other syns would not be fine for the street....., or even to race....., but there are differences......
Good Question!
Racing is where the Oil is brought to temp and used under extreme conditions then done!
Street is where the Oil us used fairly hard before up to temp in stop and go driving High temp, Kow temps Severe usage and then light usage.
For the Street, the Additive Package must have a much larger Detergent Package. It must handle a LOT More Water contamination and from the fuel. Race Oil does not go through this any where near the amount of times a street oil does!
The Oil Doug uses is Better for racing being an Ester Oil. Pao seems to be better for street usage. That is why I use e-tech 100 which is 50% of Each!
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posted April 07, 2008 05:34 PM
That makes sense......
I have used Castrol Syntec in two bikes, and ran the hell out of them on the street........, no probs, ever, and my atv, has it in it too, cause I dont like to change oils, and it does well.
The inside of my motor, with the exception of the crap that happend with that damn oil pan fiasco, were always so clean with the RP. everyone has thier brand they like, and as always, change it often, and most will do you fine, unless you are talking about extreme apps.......
Now, I would like lubricity to comment here...., he has compared the Mobil 1 and RP oils.......
I just forgot what all he told me........
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posted April 08, 2008 11:05 AM
I had used Mobil 1 but found that the Oil was so slippery that it drained totally back to the case in a few days of sitting and it always took several minutes for all of the noises to stop!
Other than the dry start up from sitting long periods I had no other problems. The #1 reason for the Motul is I was told that they used Grape Seed Oil which allowed to to cling to the parts and no dry start up! Those French Drink the Wine are worth something after all! 
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posted April 08, 2008 11:05 AM
I had used Mobil 1 but found that the Oil was so slippery that it drained totally back to the case in a few days of sitting and it always took several minutes for all of the noises to stop!
Other than the dry start up from sitting long periods I had no other problems. The #1 reason for the Motul is I was told that they used Grape Seed Oil which allowed to to cling to the parts and no dry start up! Those French Drink the Wine are worth something after all!
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posted April 08, 2008 02:42 PM
I left a motor sitting up right, no pan on the stand for weeks.......
Turned it over, and rolled the tranny, oil was still clinging to the gears.........
Royal Purple.......
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posted April 08, 2008 04:41 PM
I really like RP as well. I use synthetic RP gearbox in the Z06. It transformed the shifting from a pain to silky. I tried the mobile 1 in there and it wasn't nearly as nice. Lot's of guys rave about it on the Corvette Forum.
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posted April 08, 2008 06:16 PM
VERY good stuff.....
I wish Lubricity would chime in on this.......
Also, there was an article that Hot Rod mag did........
z28 with mobile 1 in all areas, engine, tranny, and rear........, and did a dyno pull..........
then, while the engine was cooling........, drained everything........
Put in the exact same weight of Royal Purple..............
Gained 35 hp at the wheels.........
I was using BelRay, 10 w40 years back..........
Put in RP, gained some et and mph on average, not a lot, but some........
I have a lot of sponsors, but RP DOES NOT sponsor me........., I have tried, but never got them to help out........
Besides, my bike is Dark Amethyst Pearl......., PPG.
The oil matches........
Yes guys, it really is purple.......
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posted April 09, 2008 09:29 AM
I have not heard anything BAD about Royal Purple so that is a good thing! The only thing I see people saying is "There is no way to know when it is dirty!"!
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posted April 09, 2008 11:27 AM
lol.
In my non expert opinion....., if you wait till the oil is dark, ie, Castrol Syntec, or mobil 1. You have waited too long to change it..........
RP suggested I change Racing 11 at about 30 passes if that is all its used for......
I know guys that go a half season.......
I beat the fool out of mine........, it gets the piss run out of it. I would rather buy oil, than deal with all this damn mess I have dealt with on my oil pan fiasco.......
I think Red line is blue....., if I remember right., maybe a greenish color......
I know it looked weird when I worked on Trebles PSB for him...... It was just as hard to get off your hands as the RP I used.
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posted April 09, 2008 11:55 AM
i was reading a FAQ about RP and it says it turns brown "like regular oil" when its ready to be changed...
i think ill try racing 11. when i change it ill just dump it in my old civic 
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