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posted July 30, 2002 07:47 PM
Hey Bean , butt out I'm trying to make a score with my dealer!!!
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posted July 30, 2002 08:26 PM
Z, I can get you a .......
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posted July 30, 2002 09:48 PM
 Edited By: Zhooligan on 30 Jul 2002 23:49
I'll have to find a fence to sell all these damn OEM ZX12 chains I came across so I can finance my habit....
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posted July 30, 2002 10:14 PM
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I need that lil funky 90 degree screwdriver drive to adjust my throttle bodies with!
I have a "Skewdriver" that works well for that. About 50 or so if I remember correctly.
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posted July 31, 2002 07:10 AM
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I'll have to find a fence to sell all these damn OEM ZX12 chains I came across so I can finance my habit....
Don't tease me.
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posted July 31, 2002 07:21 AM
Damnit! Mmmmy kkboard jjust shooorted out from all the droooling...
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posted July 31, 2002 09:58 AM
Ted, ole buddy... ole good friend of mine... I know that you got the new house and all that stuff... but I was thinkin' you might be able to help me out on my first Snap On purchase (cash wise, that is).
I was kinda thinkin' about getting stock # 9400GMBO. Since I don't have any Snap On tools, I figured that this would be a good start. It's not anything real big, but if I could just have your account number, I'll just put it in your "cart". Heck! I'll even drive out to your new place and pick it up. We wouldn't want to confuse them with a different shipping address from what's on your account.
I promise I'll mail ya a check every month (or so)... PROMISE!
FYI for everybody else ('cuz Ted knows those numbers by heart)...
Stock # 9400GMBO
Complete Metric Set D
Description:
More Than 800 Pieces. Includes all tools in 9300GM Set and 9000GM4A Add-on Group plus KRL751 Tool Chest and KRL756A Roll Cab.
$21,912.47
I didn't even need a condom to look at it. I think it just shriveled up.
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posted July 31, 2002 10:05 AM
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Ted, ole buddy... ole good friend of mine... I know that you got the new house and all that stuff... but I was thinkin' you might be able to help me out on my first Snap On purchase (cash wise, that is).
I was kinda thinkin' about getting stock # 9400GMBO. Since I don't have any Snap On tools, I figured that this would be a good start. It's not anything real big, but if I could just have your account number, I'll just put it in your "cart". Heck! I'll even drive out to your new place and pick it up. We wouldn't want to confuse them with a different shipping address from what's on your account.
I promise I'll mail ya a check every month (or so)... PROMISE!
FYI for everybody else ('cuz Ted knows those numbers by heart)...
Stock # 9400GMBO
Complete Metric Set D
Description:
More Than 800 Pieces. Includes all tools in 9300GM Set and 9000GM4A Add-on Group plus KRL751 Tool Chest and KRL756A Roll Cab.
$21,912.47
I didn't even need a condom to look at it. I think it just shriveled up.
No problem, the account # is 4561722053686973.
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posted July 31, 2002 10:23 AM
Here's how to make one of EastBayDave's homemade (el-cheapo) "On-Bike Toolkits":
Piece one together yourself using the old tried & true method of making use of things on-hand. I made a good motorcycle "tool pouch." Take your average old worn out set of Levi's, cut off leg (below knee.) Cut it to about 2'. (Pants leg length is about right.) Now cut lengthwise (vertically along leg) to get one piece of fabric. You want the width to be anywhere from 9-13" cuz your gonna fold it so it will be "smaller" & "roll-up-able" vertically.
Then sew 1/3 of it folded over (on the "seam" works good cuz it makes a solid "bottom" where sharp points of tools reside), and sew the fold vertically every 1" with some heavy stiches to make a big, long pocket.
Then, along the pocket "corners" you just made, sew horizontal tool "pockets" into it to the "bottom"; according to size of your various sized tools. Make larger pockets for pliers (take a stich or two out), smaller pockets "side-by-side" for open-end wrenches, screwdrivers, etc.
This makes a very durable "rollout/foldout" toolkit (similar to the "Firstgear" one but lots cheaper), plus holds as many tools of the size you want & as many as you like. Then just roll it up & put a big rubber band on it, & stuff it in your bike.
It makes a nice little ~7" long x ~3" package which fits in place of the regular toolkit. Best of all is the price- just the price of the tools in your toolbox you have to replace! The used Levi's were free! 
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posted July 31, 2002 10:33 AM
Here's a REAL INTERESTING "article" on who actually makes tools. The best part is the addendum from the Snap On tool designer concerning Kobalt tools.
http://www.geocities.com/shawnathome/whotools.html
The opening comment about the complaint filed with the FTC was concerning the "Made in the USA" logos on either the box or the product itself, when in reality, parts of or the complete tool was NOT made in the US. It's kinda surprising on all the tool brands that actually comes from Stanley.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/9906/stanleyworkscmp.htm
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posted July 31, 2002 10:40 AM
Edited By: TedG on 31 Jul 2002 11:46
The guy in the geocities post who said the quality is roughly the same is full of shit. Also the Kobalt brand is a Williams tool (owned by Snap-on) and are completely different. You get guys that make up this shit all the time. Ask most anyone that made their living bending wrenches, and the good ones will tell you the real deal.
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posted July 31, 2002 03:45 PM
Just as I figured. I really pisses me off when crap like this gets spread as "fact".
Naturally, 99% of any mechanic's (ones that do it to put food on their tables) tool box will contain Snap On. Now my question is why do many of them also have a few have Mac Tools as well? I'm not asking to slam those that don't use Snap On, but more so as to why Mac over something like Pronto?
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posted July 31, 2002 06:45 PM
Snap On, MAC, MATCO, and Cornwell all make and or sell pretty damn good tools. I have found that each of them have a tool or two that the others don't make or the tool is a little different. i.e. a thinner wrench, a little different depth on an impact socket, a finer geared ratchet etc. They all have really good guarentees and they have trade in programs to allow you to buy a bigger or better tool box. On top of all of this unlike Proto and Craftsman they drive up to your shop, place of business or work to sale you tools and service them.
Add to this the fact that they offer finace programs, interest free truck accounts it is no wonder why people buy their tools. Service, quality, availability and financing. Then add in things like Snap ON's undisputed guarenteed satisfaction and I find it difficult to shop some place else. I purchase a 3/8 drive set of chrome, six point deep well sockets in 1966. In 1999, 33 years later my Snap On dealer while looking through my tool box notice that some of the luster was gone on my old set of sockets. He asked me if I wanted them replaced. I said I couldn't justify buying a new set. He said don't you get it, you don't have to buy them, our guarentee is 100% satisfaction for life. He walked out to the truck pull a new set from the truck and replaced them no question, no charge. In retro spec I kind of wish I had kept them because they were the first set of quality tools I ever purchased, and I had spent many hours and a lot of pried taking care those old sockets.
If you have tried to warranty a Proto, SK or many of the others on the market you will evenunderstand more why people buy Snap On, MAC, MATCO, and CORNWELL.
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posted July 31, 2002 07:10 PM
Z, well said. I used to be a big MAC fan till the service in Reno went to shit. I have a set of swivel end MAC wrenches that you will have to pry out of my cold dead hands if you try to take them away. But even those are of varying guality and finish. Snap-on is consistantly superior IMHO. But like Z said some mfgs, have a different tools that may do a job better than others. Tools are wonderful to collect because you can actually use them to get a job done.
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posted August 01, 2002 11:28 AM
Thanks guys. I was just wondering because a while back, my truck mechanic had me cut a couple of big Mac Tool decals for his tool box. Everyone knows that Snap On is the unquestionably the best. It's just that I was curious as to why Mac was also so common.
The financing and truck servicing were kinda "givens", but I guess like anything else in the "sevice world", if your "tool rep sucks", it won't matter how good his tools are.
Now here's the punchline to all this...
1. For those of us who have not, nor ever will use our tools to make a dime...
2. Besides a phillips screwdriver, a 10 mm wrench and an occasional socket or two, never use our tools for anything more then an oil change or a belt change on the ole Maytag (and fishin' lil' Johnny's toy out of the disposal)...
3. Our budgets, for what ever reason, put us in the situations where it's a bike part or a couple of tools...
... using a Craftsman or Husky is okay... ain't it? Come fellas! I ain't sleepin' nights! One part of me says... "MUST HAVE" and the other says theat for the amount I'd use 'em, I'd just be a "POSER"!
I've really already answered it for me. Of course, I wish I could have ANYTHING Snap On or Mac, but my 12R will have to remain the only possion that is something I don't (can't) take full advantage of!
I thank ya'll for the lesson on quaility tools, though!
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posted August 01, 2002 12:29 PM
If it makes you feel better Red I've got a garage full of Craftsman stuff, it's all I've ever bought. I started out as a po' boy from Illinois and it's stayed with me till now. I'm not cheap and do like the Snap On line but it's more than I need for what I do.
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posted August 01, 2002 03:12 PM
I think for the DIYer mix and match is the ticket. Kobalt wrenches, sockets, and ratchets are probably best bang for the buck and Lowe's has got em. Hate to say this but Craftsman pliers aint too bad, but there are Klien and Channel Lock that are a good deal also. Screwdrivers?? I say invest in a couple of the soft handle Snap-on and you will never be sorry. Get a long #2 and a long cabinet style and as many others as you dare afford. Then invest in a good torque wrench, I hear Craftsman are junk (but that is ..well) Snap-on for me. Common sense and how much are you going to use the tool should dictate what yo buy. Harbor Freight sometimes has some good tools for the DIYer.
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posted August 01, 2002 04:01 PM
I have to tell you having wrenched on cars as well as bikes that the "flank drive" system that snap on tauts, works. I have had more than dozen chances to test this in some really bad situations. Exhaust nuts and bolts and some engine bolts down inside of a head etc. where someone uses the wrong tool, ie an sae socket or wrench inlieu of the proper metric size or visa versa. The nut or bolt is rounded and my coharts with other brands of tools have not been able to get a bite on the piece. They have reached for the torch, vise grips,the hammer, or what have you. I have reached into my snap on box and with a snap on socket put it on the nut or bolt, hit the impact trigger, bam it is off. Consequently, I swear by their sockets and wrenchs.
Had an experience with Craftsman that ticked me off a few years back. I was installing a set of headers on a 69 428 Mustang. Ended up breaking 3 6 point sockets removing the stock exhaust headers. On the third socket replacement by the Sears store they informed that I would have to buy the next one. I instead drove home, picked up my snap on six point socket and finished the job without a hitch. Needless to say I have not forgotten that little episode.
I still have some craftman sprinkled in the mix and I so use alot of craftsman carpenter tools.
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posted August 01, 2002 04:26 PM
Z, same shit here, bad experiences, and there is no substitute for Snap-on. But it is really hard to justify spending serious cash when you aren't a tool nut (like us) on somthing you use hardly ever. BUT the bullshit that happened to you has happened to me (except I was told I abused the tool), anyway the Snap-ons just don't fail like that so you aren't bringing them back all the time. I have bought more Craftsman tools than most here, I keep some in the junk tool drawer, and have given alot away. Bought a set of those ratcheting open ends from Craftsman, and those were the biggest piles of shit I have ever seen. Gave them to my next door neighbor. Snap-on makes a set that don't look like they would work that are awesome and pricy.
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posted August 01, 2002 10:39 PM
Yeah if you look at tools the way I do the price is a bit more palitable. My sockets that I bought 33 years ago cost me about $30. Pretty expensive at the time. But 33 years later still going! My Snap On tool box (big mother!!) has a drawrer that the rollers have gone bad on. "No problem we will replace them". The tool box is 17 years old! I know everyone has to look at their budget and live within their means. My suggestion to anyone is when you can buy the best. It is the last time you will ever have to buy that tool again.
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