brickman
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posted November 13, 2007 07:35 PM
14 motor in a 12..?
thanking about putting a 14 motor in my 2000 12 this winter has any one done this swap.
  
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shiphteey
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posted November 13, 2007 07:38 PM
Not sure, but I'll beat everyone else to the punch: Have you thougth about boring/stroking your 12 instead? Doug Meyer has done 1340cc, 1361 is a popular one too if you wanted similar displacement. Muzzys also have a 1375:
http://www.muzzys.com/ZX1375/index.html
Just curious. Then again you do get the benefit of knowing your motor is essentially "unstressed" and at that size, so to speak, if you shoehorned a 14 in there.
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brickman
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posted November 13, 2007 07:50 PM
i'm not looking to build the 12 motor. i would like to put the 14 motor in it and build from there.i wonder if the 12 ecu and wiring could be made to work with the 14 motor?
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almost_les
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posted November 13, 2007 07:58 PM
might be easier just putting 12 fairings on a 14. it would be the worlds prettiest 14 when you're done
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KZScott
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posted November 13, 2007 08:06 PM
My guess is that you will need the whole zx14 wiring harness and ecu. the 14 was the evolution of the 12(not a revolution:P), the frames are very similar, but i bet you will need to do some cutting and welding to get it to fit. not a huge deal if you can fabricate, but it will take lots of trial and error. make sure everything is straight and lined up, and you should be able to do it without a lot of problems. fitting the plastics back on might take some custom mounts too. sounds like a fun project!
just wondering, why do you want to build up a 14 vs the 12? turbo kit?? 
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zx12mark
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posted November 13, 2007 11:27 PM
thats going to be 1 big can of worms to open up...............go for it.
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shiphteey
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posted November 14, 2007 04:31 AM
2004-2005 zx12s have 32 bit ECUs like the 14, but the older 12s are 16 bit so I think the FI will be pretty off. Also, aren't the air boxes/ram air different?
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posted November 14, 2007 12:45 PM
start cutting and welding :P
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 14, 2007 06:41 PM
Just build a 1375 engine for your 12r. It will make more power.
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posted November 14, 2007 10:26 PM
maybe hes going for the 1530 kit for the 14?
i say turbo it
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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brickman
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posted November 15, 2007 05:57 PM
we are thanking about a turbo its just hard to get a run on a turbo bike down this way. i'm taking a hard look at that 1530 kit. i'm waiting for my 10 to get done. then i'll drop the 12 off. should be in the next two weeks. i'll try and get some pics up of the motor going in.
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posted November 15, 2007 06:06 PM
sweet! detailed pics plz!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 17, 2007 01:18 PM
quote:
might be easier just putting 12 fairings on a 14. it would be the worlds prettiest 14 when you're done
..there's a cool thought....might have to stretch or shrink a few dimensions/body panels/mounting points here and there, but that would be waaaaay cool....who'll be the first????
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posted November 17, 2007 01:58 PM
one of the guys with brock at atco said you get more power per cc with a 12 motor than a 14 mod for mod.just stroke a 12 and you will not have to go as big with the 14. and save denaro with out the fab labor. probably cheaper per hp gain with the 12 engine than paying money to put in a 14 than modding the engine.
on a side note we put a zx9 (old skool) in a zx7 on the mid 90s and it was great till we got the head ported and made it use more air. the air box on the bike was not a high enough volume for the modded engine and was imposable to get jetted well. it was drivable but not correct.
just something to think about air box wise 12 vs 14.
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posted November 17, 2007 10:11 PM
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one of the guys with brock at atco said you get more power per cc with a 12 motor than a 14 mod for mod.just stroke a 12 and you will not have to go as big with the 14. and save denaro with out the fab labor. probably cheaper per hp gain with the 12 engine than paying money to put in a 14 than modding the engine.
on a side note we put a zx9 (old skool) in a zx7 on the mid 90s and it was great till we got the head ported and made it use more air. the air box on the bike was not a high enough volume for the modded engine and was imposable to get jetted well. it was drivable but not correct.
just something to think about air box wise 12 vs 14.
more power per cc is something i have heard too. Karls 1427 has put out i think over 230 hp. the 1530 kit is supposed to be good for 240(and i may be comparing sae hp to std). and we all know Karl is far from done "experimenting"
hes got nothing to worry about if he goes with a turbo though. some ppl actually build a smaller air box inside the frame/airbox for a turbo setup. the turbo kit would be a lot less work IMO. just buy the kit for the 14 and adapt it to the 12s frame. by the time the motor is mounted, it wouldnt be that much extra work.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 18, 2007 12:59 AM
take a zx14 ?
and put the zx12 farings on it ?????
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and the 1530 muzzy kit in it ???????
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posted August 12, 2008 10:44 AM
quote:
we are thanking about a turbo its just hard to get a run on a turbo bike down this way. i'm taking a hard look at that 1530 kit. i'm waiting for my 10 to get done. then i'll drop the 12 off. should be in the next two weeks. i'll try and get some pics up of the motor going in.
any update on the zx14 engine mod??
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posted August 12, 2008 05:11 PM
 Edited By: CrotchRocket on 12 Aug 2008 18:18
I would love to see a 12 with a 14 motor in it...
Maybe if you put the 14 motor in with the wiring harness, guages and ecu from the 14 it should work with minor changes and welding to the frame for the airbox and throttle bodies to fit???
Then I would love to make a few passes down the DragStrip with it...
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brickman
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posted August 12, 2008 08:10 PM
never did get started on it . a good deal come up on another 12 so i bought it. between it and the 10 there is no time our $$$ for the other 12 may be this winter.
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suix
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posted August 14, 2008 04:21 AM
i love to see someone do this mod...
i have a built engine..but need a backup if anything happen ..
would pay for the fabricate brackets holding the engine..
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posted August 14, 2008 06:42 AM
The advantage of the 14 is the clutch! The advantage of the 12 is EVERYTHING Else.
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posted August 14, 2008 08:08 AM
Maybe just spoon a Busa Motor in (build it 1600+CCs)!!!!!!!! Or you could just put that 12 plastic on the Busa!!!!!!!
Just kidding you all.
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2000redrocket
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posted August 14, 2008 05:08 PM
if u do it do it for the clutch i agree with vince...
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KZScott
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posted August 14, 2008 06:47 PM
or just run an MTC lockup in your 12 and do some oiling mods if its the early style. all problems solved
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 16, 2008 03:55 AM
ZX-12R engine in a completely stock appearing ZX-6R
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Ninja-Ninja-Kawasaki-ZX6R-Full-Custom-Sleeper-ZX12R-Hayabusa-Eater_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50019QQihZ011QQitemZ320286998397QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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