Laref_jm
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posted November 03, 2001 12:59 AM
Hi,
That's i tried to explain to you in the thread "12r idle"
y2k...
The EcU compensate with a kn filter or tmh filter, i tried before install the akro, no problem with idle and the bike accelerate stronger... reason the captors...intake pressure...atmospheric pressure...water temp sensor
but with an aftermarket, no captor on the pipe, how ecu can detects it...??? it can't but with an O2 Sensor on, it could...that's the engineer at akro factory explains to me..
when i play with the tps, i saw many people (with knowledge & other without) who said me my bike is too rich... even at 1.098 VDC..
i don't even tell you with 1.15 VDC set..
for sure, the bike runs great but i wonder if you test a/f ratio, you'll be afraid how richest, the beast is...
  
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ZXtra
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posted November 03, 2001 04:21 AM
Stock pipe (removed catalytic converter and modded the can)
Muzzy ignition advancer (plus 4 degrees)
Removed kleen air system
K + N filters
166 HP.
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MadMike
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posted November 03, 2001 04:55 AM
hey ive got a new tire does that count for a race, well the fastest that I have seen a gixer, go at the track was 9.4's there is a girl here in town with some coaching I could get her down into the 9.30's easy!! which would make her gsxr one of the fastest ive seen in the country. but I dont know if I want to help her to awful much. LOL....
mad mike
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y2kzx12r
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posted November 03, 2001 06:58 AM
Laref, The ECU is limited as to how much it can compensate.
It has no way of reading A/F ratios. You have to rely on the algarythems(sp) written by the factory.
They were written for the stock exhaust and induction components as well as stock cam timing. Cam timing plays a bigger role than most people think on the relationship of reversion and A/F ratios. At one particular rpm and throttle position the fuel is being blown back out of the stacks causing what some tuners call a "double" charge. Cam timing has a huge role in this reversion. If you dont ride in this range then you dont care.
With the inspection covers removed and a timeable strobe light its amaizing what you can see. Gee I better shut up.
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zxlnt
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posted November 04, 2001 01:02 PM
Muzzy pipe K@N's ignition pick up mod. Why is it soooo low. It was 153 stock, so it picked up 13 ponies which is good. But I was looking for at least 170 horsepower.
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y2kzx12r
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posted November 04, 2001 05:07 PM
 Edited By: y2kzx12r on 4 Nov 2001 17:09
Cam timing. You could expect a 6-10 hp pick-up with cam gears because of poor cam timing I'd say.
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zxlnt
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posted November 04, 2001 05:10 PM
You think my bike is "Friday bike" when everyone was tired from working the whole week?? LOL I do have a set of APE gears that I have never put in. I guess I could do that.
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RocketRacer
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posted November 04, 2001 09:06 PM
Edited By: RocketRacer on 4 Nov 2001 21:09
Camshaft timing
So.... what are the magic numbers for lobe centers on a ZX-12R with pipe, K&Ns and PCIII(r)?? Something that will retain most of the midrange power (not necessarily all of it!) and give the best power from 7,000-7,500 RPM on up to the rev-limiter. I NEED to know!
Oh, and what are the factory specs for cam timing? Is that info listed in the service manual? [Guess I could just look at the fuckin' manual, huh??]
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Y2KZX12R
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posted November 05, 2001 07:38 AM
104/102 is stock.
102.5/101 is where my bike was stock and it made 181/101 hp/tq.
I went with 105/100 and its weaker everywhere except above 10,600. So for a top speed run 105/100 is ok.
The cranking compression is down with 105/100 so naturally torque is down.
I'd say for the street and dragracing keep the numbers no more than two apart. Like 105/103.
The software that I have thinks 105/104 would be best.
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Iboomalot
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posted November 05, 2001 10:16 PM
at AMI shootout 213.6 at the mobile dyno did 215 I just put 2mm+ bored TBs on it and it should be around the 220ish range.
1436cc big block/stroker (SBM)
cams (web)
cam hubs(muzzy)
bored TB (SBM)
PC3 (dyna)
timing adv.(muzzy)
ported head (SBM)
clutch (muzzy)
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cliffrandall
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posted November 07, 2001 06:43 PM
That's excellent iboom, great numbers......Tell me about your experience with the Muzzy clutch I'm planning to install one myself. I'm takin this baby to the strip next summer, it just looks like too much fun. If I can't turn a 9.50, I swear I'll ride home with my dick hanging out!
Cheers,
Cliff
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cliffrandall
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posted November 07, 2001 07:49 PM
Fuck on second thought, I'd probably ride home that way anyway!
Cheers,
Cliff
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oldkawboy
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posted November 07, 2001 08:23 PM
2000 with Akro, K&N's, Muzzy timing advancer at 5 degrees, Kleen air removed and PC3 with Harry's map. 181.7 HP and 99.2 TQ. on DJ250. 171.8 and 95 w/o pipe and PC.
9.65 at 146+ before the pipe and PC with my son riding
(135lbs wet).
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Iboomalot
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posted November 07, 2001 09:14 PM
no f*cking clue how good the clutch is since I broke a valve on the motor after the 3rd day of riding it at bike week 
they just finished degreeing in my cams today should get it back this week just in time for a cold front to hit
after I put some miles on the clutch I will post an update and let you know
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Y2KZX12R
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posted November 08, 2001 04:38 AM
Iboomalot, who is doing your engine work?
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jessz1
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posted November 08, 2001 09:56 AM
Low horses...
K&N's, HMF, PCIII, Clean air removed, 167.2 SAE HP 91.4 FTLBS. 
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iboomalot
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posted November 08, 2001 01:34 PM
currently Road and Track of Edmond Okla
They are charging the batteriesand should know if the beast is alive and well in a few hours ***crosses fingers***
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ZX124PLAY
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posted November 08, 2001 08:07 PM
2000 model K&N filters Kleen air removed,Muzzy ign. advanced 2.5degrees,Muzzy clutch,Muzzy exhaust, a PCIII, 17t 46gearing my best run is
RT .414
60' 1.678
330 4.361
1/8 6.522
MPH 114.31
1000 8.385
1/4 9.963
MPH 142.48
you guys are making some good MPH in the quarter mile any idea why mine is so low I about 245lbs
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ZX124PLAY
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posted November 08, 2001 08:21 PM
My bike was last dynoed @176.3hp
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