jason370
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posted July 05, 2002 07:22 PM
heli, riser, whatever, someone (or everyone) throw me a frickin bone
plain and simple, i am just under 6'5" the stock bars hurt bad after 30-40 minutes of riding. any suggestions as to the best product out there to help fix my little dilemma???
is heli the obvious choice or might there be better options available to me?
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posted July 05, 2002 08:52 PM
I don't know of anything out there besides the heli bars. I've never tried them. Maybe your just not going fast enough to take the weight off your wrists 
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posted July 05, 2002 08:57 PM
Two Brothers Racing has their own version of heli bars. What I have seen is they are more adjustable. Check them out on the internet.
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posted July 06, 2002 07:03 AM
Spencer Cycle billet top clamp w/1.25" risers?
I've been waiting for someone to buy them for a ride report. I've got the Helibars & not happy with them...
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posted July 06, 2002 06:08 PM
 Edited By: frEEk on 6 Jul 2002 19:09
i think the billit top clamp is the way to go. similar price to risers but u get so much more. perhaps most important is the adjustability. get them low fer a track day, then all the way up for a long ride. plus i'm gussing it's lighter?
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jason370
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posted July 07, 2002 09:02 AM
ok so two brothers, heli, and spencercycle are the three that everyone seems to know of. anyone else know about any other products? anybody have a preference of the three? whomever didnt like the helis, why? what was it that you found unlikeable?
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frEEk
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posted July 07, 2002 10:08 AM
there genmar [sp?] risers too i think. dont know if they have one fer the 12 tho
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posted July 07, 2002 10:40 AM
The best of all
There is NO substitute for *GILLES TOOLING* Variobar.
Only problem is that they don´t make 52 mm ( forZX-12)
But you can make it from 51mm , let the machine make
it to 52 mm. It 's the BEST solution for having a true variobar system.
Regards tapani
ps, their webpage is www. gillestooling.de
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posted July 07, 2002 01:14 PM
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ok so two brothers, heli, and spencercycle are the three that everyone seems to know of. anyone else know about any other products? anybody have a preference of the three? whomever didnt like the helis, why? what was it that you found unlikeable?
Why didn't I like them? Because they didn't help much, IF ANY that I could feel. I spend $200 for Helibars, & couldn't really feel ANY difference. Yes they are 1/2" further back & 3/4" higher, but that small amount was un-noticable to ME.
(FYI, I've heard other people say they make a world of difference to THEM. But not to ME...) So now I'm looking at the Spencer Cycle Billet clamp that comes with the height risers of your choice; & has other heights available. For only $265, it seems the wise choice for ME at this point.
Clear enough?
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jason370
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posted July 07, 2002 07:31 PM
east bay,
how tall are ya?
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EastBayDave
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posted July 07, 2002 08:01 PM
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east bay,
how tall are ya?
6'3" - 270lbs....large frame (football player type)
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jason370
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posted July 07, 2002 08:06 PM
heres my deal,
6'4, 230lbs and the aggressive forward seating position forces a ton of weight into my wrists and shoulders. if i use my back and abs to hold my torso up off the tank it transfers a ton of pressure into my hips and i get some really bad hip flexor cramps. not to mention that my right foot falls asleep and it feels as if my legs are being electrocuted. long rides are not an option at this point so ive decided to buy some form of riser bars as well as a corbin seat.
question.....if i lower the rear an inch or two in order to flatten out the aggressive forward position a little, will that make the distance to the foot pegs shorter too?
jason
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jason370
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posted July 08, 2002 04:04 PM
is this subject exhausted already? i did so will on the transporting one.
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frEEk
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posted July 08, 2002 06:57 PM
i would think the lower corbin will shorten the distance to the pegs, but i understand it also widens ur stance. normally this is mentioned in reference to ability to touch the ground, but perhaps it also helps aleviate legroom? i rather doubt it tho. i have heard a few people using rearsets to provide more legroom, but i dont get this as i understand they put less weight on ur feet, being more rearward, not to mention higher. still, maybe u can get some pegs that are lower. may have to get those custom made? this would of course reduce ur available lean angle, but it thats not an issue (u'r not a street racer), then that should be fine. incidentally, i prefer a bit o weight on the wrists just cause it takes weight off the butt and stress off the knees. my rear gets really sore on long rides and my knees start killing me shortly thereafter. but my wrists have never bothered me, so i prefer more weight on them. just gotta do some weight lifting to strengthen the shoulders and chest to support the additional weight.
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jason370
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posted July 08, 2002 07:04 PM
freek im plenty strong, a little weight on the wrists is one thing, but 230 lbs is another. overall is is quite livable, i'm just looking for ways to make it better. on my zx11 the seat material was so unbreathable, but i didnt know it was until my corbin seat arrived. then i realized how much better things could be.
my question is "can I lower the rear section of the bike an inch or so" to lessen the forward lean angle that the stock setup forces me into. and if i do so, will that lowering reduce the distance to the footpegs or will teh footpegs lower along the same angle as the rear?
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EastBayDave
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posted July 08, 2002 07:13 PM
My biggest problems is hip cramps as well. I don't think rearsets will help; only make things worse. I don't know about the lowering the rear, seems to be counterproductive as you'd be lessening ground clearance.
I've been looking for some "frontsets" without success (or rearsets that also allow frontward/downward movement/adjustment.) I never hit the pegs, just cream the fairing during extreme cornering so figure I have an inch or so or less to play around with.
The closest I've seen are the Harris or Gilles rearsets that "appear" to have at least one more set of holes "forward" of the pics. I'm trying to find someone who has them, or has ridden them, to find out if thats actually the case or not...
When I find out (or if someone else does), I/you let us know...
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jason370
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posted July 08, 2002 07:17 PM
ok then how would one lower the pegs, doesnt really seem as if there anywhere to lower them too. the only thing i can come up with is if i replace the current pegs, with thinner pegs. possibly 1/4 inch could be had that way. any ideas?
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EastBayDave
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posted July 08, 2002 07:43 PM
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The closest I've seen are the Harris or Gilles rearsets that "appear" to have at least one more set of holes "forward" on the pics(I've seen)
...do you understand what I mean by "one more set of holes?" I'm tiring of repeating myself...
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jason370
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posted July 08, 2002 07:46 PM
asshole, why dont you watch your tone before someone shoves your teeth down your throat. you mentioned loewring the bike, i mentioned lowering the pegs
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frEEk
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posted July 08, 2002 11:33 PM
damnit take it easy. u'r askin alot of questions n people r spendin their time tryin to answer them. u cant ask for much more than that.
lowering the rear of the bike would not affect the seat to pegs distance, but it would take a bit of weight the wrists cause it would put u in a slightly more upright position. however, it woudl fuck up the geometry and handling. i suspect (but certainly dont know) that it wouldnt be worth it. u can certainly try tho. it's not like it's a permanent mod. thinner pegs have been discussed and it can give u a touch more legroom, but if u'r lookin for comfort, it also increases the vibration to ur feet cause u lose the rubber.
but frankly this is all jsut guessing to a large extent. this is just one of the things that u have to try out for urself. given the nature of the human form, there is no right answer. it's like some people say the gsxr's r torture and others think they'r perfectly comfortable for 8 hour rides. u'll have to try it all & see what works for u.
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posted July 09, 2002 12:50 AM
Oooo!!!!!
Ooooo...Bit of a hothead here!!! Funny way to ask for help, jason.
You'll notice I didn't call you any obscene names. Take the hint.  -ZXtra
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jason370
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posted July 09, 2002 04:19 AM
you'll notice in every post i have made as well as every response, i have never been a hothead until this last response to eastbaydave. you may also notice that no person has come remotely close to taking a btchy, nasty tone with myself or any other member of this forum. i merely responded to eastbay dave in then manner that he commanded.
i have tremendous respect for the members and their questions. if east bay dave is so tired of repeating himself then dont you think the wiser idea would be to shut the hell up and not repeat himself? rather than insult someone who either misunderstood him or that possibly he misunderstood?
there is a right and wrong way to speak to people, east bay subtly crossed the fine line. does anyone disagree with me?
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posted July 09, 2002 04:35 AM
Chill out Jason. You've not been on here long enough to appreciate Dave and what he done for many of us. He's one of the nicest members on this board and certainly doesn't deserve to be called an asshole by the likes of you.
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jason370
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posted July 09, 2002 04:45 AM
perhaps i can attempt to clear the air, eastbaydave i do not think that you ARE an asshole, however your response to me was quite assholish and the tone was very much unappreciated. it was getting late, we were both getting tired, prehaps you had a tough day. i'll buy that. i cant really apologize to you because i am not sorry for responding properly, however i can let bygones be bygones. water under the bridge so to speak. my guees is that otis is correct, you are most likely a great guy that lost it for a split second, as am i.
otis ,
i somewhat agree with you. east bay has been around a lot longer than i. and i dont necessarily dislike the guy. i simply gave hime some good advice that might come in very handy for him one day if he decided to step in someones face and speak to them as if they were a three year old.
i do think he was very condescending in his last response to me, so i let him know what i thought of him for doing so.
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jason370
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posted July 09, 2002 05:01 AM
thanks freek,
i appreciate the well thought response. im thinking that i have rubber under my shoes/boots and i'll risk some extra vibration. as for the lowering the rear vs messing up geometry.....i think a 1/2 inch lower might make a difference in seating position for me, im not so sure how radically it would effect handling. i'll be sure and let ya know when i do it.
just outta curiosity, did i make eastbay repeat himself?
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