KawRider
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posted November 01, 2001 03:18 AM
 Edited By: KawRider on 1 Nov 2001 04:22
PCIIIR Remote Map Loading
I have ordered the PCIIIr power up device so I can load maps to my PCIIIR on my computer, without lugging my computer to the garage or buying/borrowing a laptop. Any pointers, or is it a no-brainer?
Thanks!
Tim
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posted November 01, 2001 03:54 AM
Edited By: KawRider on 1 Nov 2001 04:23
Palm Pilot Map Loading!!!
I just was browsing the Dynojet site.... and I came across Palm Pilot Map Loading!!! Sweet! I happen to own a COLOR Palm IIIc! Has anyone in the group used their Palm to load maps? Im downloading/printing the manual... which looks quite nice! But I always look to this group for pointers... and the been there.. done that stories. I have ordered the dynojet PCIII/Palm adapter (only $12 including shipping!) I can't wait to play with this stuff.... I am quite the gadget guy and this is right up my alley! I will keep the group posted.
Tim
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Tearinitup
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posted November 01, 2001 07:49 AM
Next Version
My next version will be sweet. I am planning on a full Power Commander type software with map editing capabilities. Don't hold your breath though it is a long way out.
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posted November 01, 2001 08:01 AM
Palm
I have a IIIC as well. You can load, but you need to download the software from DJ and purchase from them a null modem adapter for your Palm Synch cable. Keep in mind that you cannot edit on the Palm as yet. You must build the map on your PC, load it into the Palm and them download it into your PC. I take a map, do a few versions of the changes I think I want to make, load them all and then go test.
Doug
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KawRider
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posted November 01, 2001 11:35 AM
Cool!
Thanks for the info fellas. Yeah... I have the adapter on order.
Tearin- You wrote the software?
Tim
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posted November 01, 2001 11:36 AM
I keep a crappy old Palm III in the trunk of the '12 now with all my maps on it. Works GREAT to upload new ones, the only problem is that you have to get the maps into the Palm first and ya can't download to the Palm yet. Other than that - WOOHOO do it if ya can. BTW - you can get old Palm III's on EBay for NOTHING.. a GREAT addition to the bike...
When are we going to have a ZX-12R PC-IIIR map shootout? I think this would be COOL if we could get a few bikes (one with Muzzy one with Acro etc etc) and some dyno time...
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posted November 01, 2001 12:42 PM
Now that sounds like FUN!!!!
-Big Zx12r
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posted November 01, 2001 12:43 PM
Where you at?
I have dyno shootouts all the time in our R&D facilities for local riders. If you are ever in Bozeman, MT with some buddies, let me know and we might be able to get some time to play.
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posted November 05, 2001 12:33 PM
Affirmative
I would have loved to spend more time in development with the Palm software but I spending all of my time on new stuff (you guys will love it).
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posted November 05, 2001 02:35 PM
Is PCIII that much better?
I was just wondering if the PCIII or the PCIIIr was that much better than the PCII. I had the PCII on my 929 when I had it and it worked great. From the posts that I've seen on here, it doesn't seem to help bhp that much, at least not like it did on my 929.
Comments????
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posted November 05, 2001 04:14 PM
PCII vs PCIII question again
Here is the short of it. The PCIII is an advancment from the PCII. It is easier to use, more reliable and cleaner. HOWEVER in the end it is only fuel and air so they both have the ability to make similar changes (the PCIII has a greater range of adjustment in most cases). For the most part if you make the fuel curve correct (which is far easier with a PCIII than a PCII) then you will make power.
My zx12 did not see major improvements in Max Power when it was stock, but tweek the bike a little and you will NEED some method of altering the fuel curve to gain best power from your mods. I beleive that the PCIIIr is the best product available for the lower price range. It is simple enough for a normal user to play with and really get into their bike if they desire and it is also flexible enough for professional shops to use for ultimate performance.
If money is not an issue there are more complex systems out there for use if you feel the need.
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posted November 06, 2001 12:19 PM
ECU Response Time & PC3r
Tearinitup does the PC3r introduce any signal delay between the ECU & the injectors. As I understand it the PC3r intercepts the ECU fuel signal to the injectors and modifies it by the fuel map values. . correct? Similarly the timing advance setting. If this is the case you would expect a slight hardware/software interface delay in the signal.
I have read a few bike reviews recently where the manufacturer talked about increasing the speed/performance of the ECU to improve ignition control and throttle response. Is this a factor in the design of the PC3r?
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posted November 06, 2001 08:39 PM
pc3 with timing maps
Tearitup , Is there any advantage to the PC3r over the pc3 that will keep the timing maps? I assume that if it keeps the maps it uses them also, right?
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Tearinitup
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posted November 07, 2001 08:47 AM
Tearinitup does the PC3r introduce any signal delay between the ECU & the injectors. As I understand it the PC3r intercepts the ECU fuel signal to the injectors and modifies it by the fuel map values. . correct?
>The fuel signal is delayed a small amount when it is calc'd in our box (without affecting performance).
Similarly the timing advance setting.
>The timing adjustment is not calc'd the same as fuel. Any delay would not be acceptable here.
I have read a few bike reviews recently where the manufacturer talked about increasing the speed/performance of the ECU to improve ignition control and throttle response. Is this a factor in the design of the PC3r?
>The PCIII/r is plenty fast for our current application. Not to worry.
Tearitup , Is there any advantage to the PC3r over the pc3 that will keep the timing maps? I assume that if it keeps the maps it uses them also, right?
>PCIII's will accept timing maps and not use them. If you want to do timing you need a PCIIIr.
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posted November 07, 2001 01:19 PM
didn't we decide that SOME PC3 were infact PC3r?
I thought that if it accepted the timing it was a pc3r.
please advise as to how to test the pc3 to tell if it
is a pc3r.(with working timing maps)
Thanks
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NINJA12
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posted November 08, 2001 10:47 AM
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Tearinitup
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posted November 08, 2001 01:10 PM
didn't we decide that SOME PC3 were infact PC3r?
>Some may infact be PCIIIr's.
I thought that if it accepted the timing it was a pc3r.
>You thought incorrectly
please advise as to how to test the pc3 to tell if it
is a pc3r.(with working timing maps)
>Here are some hints. If your harness on the PCIII doesn't have a brown wire in the harness (and the corresponding white/brown wire on the other side) then you have a PCIII. If you have the brown and white/brown wires in your harness then you can ohm test between them and if they are wired together (straight through) then you have a PCIII. If you can affect your bike's performance with the timing table then you probably have a PCIIIr.
You could ship it to me and I will tell you if you have a PCIIIr (for a nominal fee!  ) Really the best way to tell is ride it and see if you can feel the difference between retarded timing and midly advanced timing. Should be very noticable.
Thanks
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NINJA12
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posted November 08, 2001 01:41 PM
Thanks,
I will test it with the seat-dyno.
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