posted October 28, 2001 07:00 PM
5000 miles clutch is shot Just less then 5000 miles on bike and took it out on a open road as soon as I jump on it noticed rpms going up but bike is not keeping up with it. I don't understand I do ride it kinda hard but not enough to burn up a clutch, the only thing I can contribute it to is the weekend in Daytona, all that standing traffic was a bitch on my bike, luckily I installed a switch to over ride the fan so I kept it in normal range but after a day there, the next morning I noticed it would go into gear hard from neutral to first.If you hold in the clutch for a couple of sec when it's in neutral it would go in smooth that was no more. The bike is still under original warrenty but I know the dealer is going to try to Fuck with me (he is a dickhead) Well if all fails it's a muzzy clutch for me......
posted October 28, 2001 07:05 PM
they should help you with the clutch, even though they "officially" dont warranty it... my stocker was toast after 1500miles..
posted October 28, 2001 07:26 PM
Edited By: marlon1 on 28 Oct 2001 19:27
I will let you know what dick dealer says, this is a guy that told me because I didn't buy my Kawa from him, he didn't want to work on it and that was for an insurance estimate for a broken fairing. I don't want to take it where I bought it from it's a 100 miles away and they suck to. If they could just give me the shit I could do it myself...
posted October 28, 2001 08:41 PM
Marlon, bypass the dealer altogether and just order the Muzzy setup. Or you could simply order the fibers and steels (2.0) and be done with it. You may want to get some heavier springs too. Anyway feel lucky, I only got 1800 miles out of my first clutch!
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posted October 28, 2001 08:43 PM
*grin* Damn...I only got 9400 out of my first clutch! Course, it wasn't slipping, but when I bumped up to 1270, thought it was a good idea for the muzzy...
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posted October 29, 2001 05:18 AM
I just got over 7000 miles and am now starting to notice slipage under heavy acelration. Just in time for Winter. I guess I'll be doing a muzzy clutch while she sleeps this winter. Does anyone know is the kawasaki will chip-in any $$$ since it died before its time? My guess is NOT, but I thought I would ask since many people have had different experiences.
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posted October 29, 2001 06:13 AM
If you get more then 2500 mi {500 over the recomended break in period} you ride like an ol lady, and should trade it in for a hardly! just fuckin with ya yall must have some serious self control.
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posted October 29, 2001 06:54 AM
I hate yo say it, but ypu really oly got two choices. See the dealer you bought it from and get the fairing quoted at the same time, or by the Muzzy set up. I would call KMC and report that other dickweed of a dealer, if I were you.
Mo, you had me going for a second or two. I'm lucky enough to have over 26K on the original clutch basket and plates. Lil' ole lady? Naw, I just don't use the clutch. Slow? Enough of the folks here have ridden with me to know better (except the time this lil ole lady in an Aerostar van at the Gap.... I don't want to talk about it).
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posted October 29, 2001 03:31 PM
I ride it like I stole it! 2500 mi and the stock basket had three cracks!{ keep an eye on those stock baskets boys} and burnt steels the flat spot on the clutch rod mod seems to work well 4 more trips to the strip and still looks good
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posted October 29, 2001 05:30 PM
AH! There's the difference! The ye ole dragstrip!
Yeah, KHI dropped the ball on their design of the clutch basket and the oiling of the plates. Even if the owner didn't go to the dragstrip, street race, do hard launchs or even wheelie the bike... the design SUCKED! It took them TWO YEARS to 'fess up and how do they do it? A recall? Nope. Offer to cover any clutch related problem throught the warrnty? Nope. They quitely redesign it to what it should have been in the first place and make it part of the '02 model.
Yet KMC and many dealers (with KMC encouragement) will fight any kind of clutch basket related claim. Now if the original design was so damn good, why would they redesign it and may a brief comment about it in their promotional info? Were there similar improvements made on the clutch systems of any of their other sportbikes? I don't think so. Did it make any dramatic improvements in the bike's OVERALL performance? Did it reduce the bike's weight or allow for other improvements that were related to the drivetrain? Hmmmm... I guess not.
So, if the design change wasn't for any of the above reasons, why do it. Could it be possible that there was a PROBLEM with the previous design? OH NO! That can't be it! That would mean that they would have to admit that there was a "problem" in the first place! Oh, God forbid! What really pisses me off is that the first bike out of Japan went to the factory sponsored drag racing team (no offense intended, Doug) and they took one of their "star" riders to start doing runs at the drag strip.
Now if the factory does this with one of the first bikes off the assembly line, who's not going to think that their 12R is not suitable for the drag strip? Yet to this very day, KMC will tell dealers that problems with clutches and any related components is not a common enough occurance to warrant any action to be taken by KMC. They will also inform the dealer that they would prefer not to honor any claims dealing with this, since it must be due to customer abuse.
BULLSHIT! Now, I'm very lucky to have both a OEM clutch basket that is still in one piece and a dealer that will actually not accept the "status quo statements" from KMC. If I was to have a problem, I have no doubt that he'd fight them to the bitter end. C Dolan of LA Busa was the first one I heard of having one go. It wasn't long after that, the guy that bought the second 12R my dealer got, had his explode. My dealer, KMC and even myself did not give much credit to this guy's claim due to his well know and proven history of seriously abusing bikes. As I remember, Dolan was able to claim his, the guy here was not.
By June of 2000, 12R clutch baskets were exploding like bombs over Afghanistan. The boards started to be peppered with dozens of reports of baskets and plates letting go. I remember Extremelean asking me if my dealer still had the parts of the basket that they had fished out of this guy's engine. When I said he did and gave him my dealer's "dealer number" (not his phone number), my dealer got a call from KMC the very next morning. KMC requested he send them all the parts and documentation relating to this "incident". Oh, but it's not like there could be a possible "problem" now could there? Surely not! The fact that Barrett and Muzzy were fast at work, getting a redesigned basket available to the public couldn't be any indication that there could be a problem with the OEM unit, could there? Yeah, what ever!
Like I said, I have a ton of miles on mine, BUT... I my bike has NEVER seen a drag strip, a street race or done ANY hard launchs. Hell, I can't even do a wheelie (intentionally). So, if they meant for the bike to be ridden like I ride it, why did the very first appeances of a running 12R show up at a DRAG STRIP? HUH? What's that all about? I used to believe that all those yahoos out there doing wheelies and drag/street racing were just tearing up their own shit and should expect such problems. That "belief" was very short lived. It has happened far too many times in far too many situations to just say, "Oh, that's owner abuse."! If that was true, why would they need to redsign the basket for better oil delivery?
Even though I have yet to have fallen victim to the faulty designed of this component, I still will support anyone's battle to get their problem addressed by their dealer and KMC... at NO CHARGE to the customer! Hell, if I would have anything to do with it, I'd be demanding they figure out a way to retro fit an '02 basket and any other related components onto the bike! KMC needs to quit the denial crap, fess up and fix up and claim made on low mileage clutch related problems. Hell, even the amount of miles shouldn't matter. They just need to make it right!
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posted October 29, 2001 08:07 PM
HAHAHAHAHHAHA! bitching about 5k!!!!! 5000 miles, holy shit batman you should have that one bronzed, hell I got 500 miles out of my first one and you know I have 6500 miles on my bike now and lets see I just put in my 10th? well maybe 11th clutch!! I do it every time I change my oil!! LOL
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posted October 30, 2001 12:21 AM
CLASS ACTION- CALL TO ARMS! oK....
We got to do something about this. Is there a lawer in this group? Or someone with a brother/sister/family member that is a Lawer? I think we have good enough grounds for a class action law suit. We just need to find a lawer to help us out. Any takers?
posted October 30, 2001 02:04 AM
I thought we covered this over a year ago.
Learn to ride and most of all, learn clutch management. I have yet to fry a clutch. On my second one. 10,000 miles, the first one is sitting here and is still usable. I just removed it after all the Hoopla last year. With all that HP, slipping the clutch is ONLY done on a launch. Heavy springs are a must, either zx9 or Schintz. I've used both. With stock old 00 springs you will tend to cook the clutch quicker. Also alow clutch to cool between runs.
And put in good oil.
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posted October 30, 2001 05:06 AM
Alot of this depends it seems like depends on your dealer and whether they like you or not. How much money you have spent in their store etc etc I just talked to my dealer last week and KMC is going to replace the clutch in my bike. It sounds like only the friction plates and springs and do whatever mod they do to the pusher rod. I was standing right next to my service manager when he made the call. All went smooth, they asked how many miles were on it, about 3300 or so, what the bike looks like, how I take care of it and things like that. He knows it has made maybe 15 passes down the dragstrip but nothing on a regular basis or anything like. So I can't complain too much about KMC taking care of ME. I do have the Falicon basket in though so I dont have to worry about the basket exploding.
Now to find time to get it into the dealer and get the new clutch in.
posted October 30, 2001 05:30 AM
Hey lubester if I wanted to act my age I would have got a got a hardly and been content drivin around like a old man! but I got a 12r instead to put some thrill in my life. KMC dropped the ball they built a 187hp bike with a 87hp clutch basket! you blame burnt fibers & steels on the rider but I'll put money on the first guy who looses a foot to an exploded basket is a millionaire!
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posted October 30, 2001 12:30 PM
Edited By: marlon1 on 30 Oct 2001 12:30
You guys are right, instead of listening to the dealers bullshit I just ordred the muzzy setup.
posted October 30, 2001 04:33 PM
Man...You guys are Ruff!!! It took me 7500 miles to burn up the first one....Replaced it will the full muzzy....(basket, springs and plates)
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