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posted May 16, 2008 05:00 AM
I don't have the prototype any more.
I suppose I could build another one. How soon do you need it?
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KZScott
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posted May 16, 2008 01:12 PM
probly about a month,(gives me time to fine tune the bikes NA map after its actually built :P) i just wanted to let you know so if you had a slack day you could get it away, and we wont have to worry about over nighting it 
btw, would there be a way to use 2 for 2 stages? or would using one of each type be better for 2 stages?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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ridgeracer
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posted May 17, 2008 05:38 AM
If you can provide two inputs I can do two stages. How does the timing work on your inputs.
both off
stage 1 on
then is it
stage 1 off, stage 2 on or is it stage 1 and 2 on?
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KZScott
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posted May 17, 2008 08:16 AM
im thinking of this type of a setup(if its easy to do).
stage 1 activated by rpm window switch
stage 2 activated by the same rpm window switch and a push button (horn or starter) both would be on at the same time. for example 25 on then 25 more on for a total of 50 basically a cheap way to have a "progressive" setup that doesnt pulse solenoids and wear them out really fast. i know its not a true progressive system, but its smoother than one big shot so it doesnt blow the tire away
earlier in this post i believe you said about 20% fuel increase was possible. according to Schnitz, that good for roughly a 55 shot 
one more question, im going out on a limb here, but is there anyway to adjust ignition timing with resistance or something similar? (i dont know how the zx12 EFIR works)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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ridgeracer
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posted May 18, 2008 08:09 AM
How much ignition are you talking about? Same same amount for both stages?
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KZScott
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posted May 18, 2008 03:53 PM
if possible, 4 degrees on the first stage, and 2 degrees on the second stage. but if they have to be the same, 3 and 3
im planning on running 4 degrees advanced on my NA map in the PC, 4 degrees retarded on the first stage would put me at stock timing, and when the second stage kicks in i would be 2 degrees retarded from stock. nice and safe
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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ninja12
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posted May 18, 2008 07:11 PM
No need to pull any timing for 40 hp or less, most recommend -2 for each 50 hp of nitrous to be very safe.
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KZScott
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posted May 18, 2008 08:12 PM
but thats for stock motors with 93 octane. i wont have either , and i might try a bigger shot . i can only get 91 octane at the pumps. i could mix in some race fuel, but i want to do it with pump gas. i still need to figure out my exact compression ratio, but im pretty sure it will be around 13:1or so maybe a bit lower, but higher than stock with the head milled, block shim removed, ect
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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ridgeracer
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posted May 31, 2008 08:10 AM
quote:
im thinking of this type of a setup(if its easy to do).
stage 1 activated by rpm window switch
stage 2 activated by the same rpm window switch and a push button (horn or starter) both would be on at the same time. for example 25 on then 25 more on for a total of 50 basically a cheap way to have a "progressive" setup that doesnt pulse solenoids and wear them out really fast. i know its not a true progressive system, but its smoother than one big shot so it doesnt blow the tire away
earlier in this post i believe you said about 20% fuel increase was possible. according to Schnitz, that good for roughly a 55 shot
one more question, im going out on a limb here, but is there anyway to adjust ignition timing with resistance or something similar? (i dont know how the zx12 EFIR works)
I can't do anything with the ignition in your time frame but here is a schematic for a two stage nos
2 stage nos schematic
Think you can handle that or would you rather have me throw one together for you? 
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posted June 01, 2008 10:27 AM
my head hurts.... lol
no way in hell could i put that together and get it to not blow up. but i may only need the simple 1 stage setup now any way. i have been talking to KCadby about adjusting the fuel pressure for the second stage. so i will have more adjustability(i want to run really rich on nitrous) I believe the %20 = roughly a 55 shot of nitrous is not a rich setup, im guessing around 12.5 to 13 :1 AFR, and i want to try and tune it really safe aroune 11 to 11.5:1 AFR when spraying nitrous.
srry to put you thru the bother of designing the 2 stage setup, but maybe someone else would like to try it?
i still need to adjust timing, but i will probly bite the bullet and buy an EFIR, allthough if you want to build something in your spare time i would love to try it. later on in the yr i may be putting a small shot on another 12
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 21, 2008 07:01 PM
bump
I would like to have something like the original prototype for a single stage if possible. im running a wet kit on my bike, but dads is getting a single stage dry kit, and this would really make it user friendly. (no map changes ect)
RR if you have some free time, or if some other electronics wizard wants to put one together, plz let me know the price
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 21, 2008 07:52 PM
you guys are fuggin mad scientists. i love it.
the resistor trick IS old and is predominantly used on the gixxers for the same purpose.
that cap to feed consistent signal is GENIUS.
good to see you out and about ridge!!
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posted December 21, 2008 08:20 PM
its actually an old post, i havent seen RR on here in a long time  . maybe this will bring him back
you are pretty good with this stuff too eh whiteH ?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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whitehendrix
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posted December 21, 2008 11:04 PM
got a degree in just "electrical" engineering.. not electronics, but ya.. i've got a grasp
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posted January 10, 2009 12:12 PM
ok, slykittycat made me something very similar. its not adjustable, it gives the full 20% increase in fuel, and also activates an EFIR. it can be triggered by a pos or neg activation signal. he has one on his bike and made me a copy of his
I plan on swapping my LM-1 over to dads bike to make sure mapping is ok, and that this works after its back together. ill start with a 28 pill(30hp) and work up from there if AFR stays safe. max will be a 40 pill (55hp)
stay tuned
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted January 10, 2009 04:29 PM
Glad to see you got it pretty quick too i saved your pictures much better than my cell pics lol
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KZScott
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posted January 10, 2009 08:46 PM
I just emailed you . i just need to pick up a 1/16 pipe tap to finish your brackets and they will be on their way. be careful with the direct port setup, it will hit hard!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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ZX12R_NJ
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posted February 24, 2009 01:04 PM
KZScott, did you get an actual resistance level for the 20% fuel increase? I am running a 50hp wet system, but like the idea of the instant on fuel richening through the ECU (no need to worry about faulty solenoid.
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slykittycat
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posted February 24, 2009 01:14 PM
470 ohm
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ZX12R_NJ
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posted February 24, 2009 01:32 PM
PMs are down, do you sell your control unit?
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ZX12R_NJ
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posted February 24, 2009 01:53 PM
So 470 ohms would make the computer think the sensor is reading max cold?
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slykittycat
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posted February 24, 2009 01:55 PM
 Edited By: slykittycat on 24 Feb 2009 22:26
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posted February 24, 2009 05:03 PM
ZX12R_NJ
did u get my e-mail reply?
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ZX12R_NJ
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posted February 24, 2009 05:19 PM
Yes i did sorry i am weighing my options. deciding what route i should go.
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slykittycat
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posted February 24, 2009 05:20 PM
Edited By: slykittycat on 25 Feb 2009 03:01
25k ohms is the correct value seem i cant edit the post above so here is the good info
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