VincentHill
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posted September 01, 2006 12:12 PM
Poll Question:
Will Barry Henson take Bears offer and Fly to SA to race?
We have all seen Barry's bikes he rides turn great times when he ownes them and then not so good when someone buys them. Everyone says it is Barry and not the Bike. There is one of Barry's Bikes in SA that has never seen the 7's that Barry promised it would do even being ridden by the #1 rider in SA (Understand that the #7 rider ran 7.50 here in the States on Bears's Home Built Turbo Bike). SO Pierre has offered to Fly Barry to SA and pay his expenses if he can take that bike and run a 7 and Beat his Kawasaki. If Barry cannot beat the Kawasaki and Turn a 7 then the Trip is on Barry!
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Poll Results:
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We will see Barry in SA Racing on Brads Bike
2 votes (17%)
Not only will he go there, he will run a 7 and Beat Bear on Brads Bike
0 votes (0%)
He will win only if he brings his own bike
0 votes (0%)
Barry will bring his own bike and run a 7 and Beat Bear
5 votes (42%)
Nothing will ever happen No Barry and No Bike
0 votes (0%)
Barry will Ship the Missing parts to Brad but not go to SA or Race
1 votes (8%)
He will race and Beat Bear but not run the 7
0 votes (0%)
He will take Bear up on this an Lose no 7 and no Win
3 votes (25%)
Barry will fold his cards and walk away say nothing
1 votes (8%)
If we see Barry in SA Racing it is not Henson!
  
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posted September 01, 2006 12:29 PM
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posted September 02, 2006 07:28 AM
 Edited By: BEAR on 2 Sep 2006 08:49
I have just spoken to Brad and we aggeed that we would open the offer to any of the pro riders in the world to do it the way we did it,for 3 year running,at Gianesville ,with thier own equipment ,with a diff that if they can run 7 in SA and beat us we will pay their total cost ,but if they dont they pay their own way like we did with no favors.This offer incudes the PST and 1000 super sport class.
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BROOKLYNNYZX12
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posted September 02, 2006 04:59 PM
What would Barry Henson have to gain from this?
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posted September 02, 2006 08:53 PM
What does he ride? A Bugly?
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posted September 03, 2006 04:37 AM
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What would Barry Henson have to gain from this?
Excellent Question!
Answer in no order.
#1 it would bring Credibility to the word "World" Champion!
(SInce he has only raced in the US he is actually a "National" Champion! Like we have in Football and Basket Ball. "Baseball" is a little different since at least they did play in Canada. As far as I am Concerned, Rickey Gadson is the Only TRUE WOrld Champion since he is the only one that has raced outside of this country!) If just stamping "World" Final on a race is all it takes to make a person WOrld Champion, then the People in the UK, SA Sweden can all have WOrld Champions like they do in Boxing and none of them ever meet anywhere to have one true Champion of the WOrld!
#2 It would put him where his mouth is!
He has made statements that His bikes would run in the "7's" in SOuth Africa and maybe he needs to go there and show the Natives how it is done since the #1 Rider has one of his bikes and to date best run is a 8.13 (From what I have seen in SA, I do not think that Barry will even be able to beat Brad riding the bike he sold him on his best bike!)
#3 South Africa is a Beautiful Place with a Lot to see and Great Food.
If anyone can get a Free Trip all expenses Paid to go there they should! (I did and I would spend my own money to go back and will!
Here is Barry at Indy! (Yes a Bugly)
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posted September 03, 2006 05:35 AM
Vince I don't wanna discount anything that Bear has done,obviously he has immense talent.Barry Henson doesn't have to do anything to prove,his resume speaks for itself.If Barry went to SA and loses for some reason Barry has egg on his face,if he wins people will just say "big deal"he is supposed to win,Barry has everything to lose and nothing to gain.He builds championship caliber bikes whether he races Bear or not.
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posted September 03, 2006 09:00 AM
I don't see where he would have anything to gain.
If the bike ran 7's here and someone claimed there were "missing parts" that were preventing it from doing it in SA, then I guess they just need to figure it out and correct it. Either that or just don't buy bikes from him.
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VincentHill
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posted September 03, 2006 05:10 PM
I understand what everyone is saying! the Question is, "Is Barry a WORLD Champion or a NATIONAL Champion?" If he is a TRUE WOrld Champion then he should tak on all comers! The People in SA have been here 4 times and been runner up Twice behind Barry. If Barry has the Balls, then he would go to SA and win or Lose he would be the Winner for SHowing up ! Where do AMericans get off at calling themselves "World Champions" when all they ever beat are people here in the US? The people in SA have a Final Race at the end of the season open to anyone! Maybe they should call it the "World Finals" and declare themselves World Champions then maybe these 2 teams could meet in a Neutral country like the UK that also has their Version of "World Champion" and settle it once and for all!
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posted September 04, 2006 09:39 AM
I've personally met Barry and had a good long conversation with the guy at the local Hooters here, and let me just tell you, he's a stand up guy for sure. (btw, he was riding around on the 7.25 bike on the street!!!!)
I'm sure BEAR is of the same impecable nature, but in all fairness.... a challenge like this only benefits BEAR being that he's the one with something to prove while Barry has already climbed to the top of the mountain. Like Brooklyn said, if Barry loses... it's a huge black mark on his resume, if Barry wins.... it's just another notch on his belt.
If BEAR wants to make the challenge to Barry, I feel it's only right that Bear comes to America and Barry fronts the bill if he loses. Barry shouldn't have to go out of his way if BEAR is the one asking for the race.
Personally, I'd like to see BEAR's 12R race Barry's Busa.... I think it would be a Grudge Match that'll make big news around the world.
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posted September 04, 2006 10:23 AM
Bear has already been here and raced 4 times on his own dime. This is the only head to head race
http://www.dragbike.com/raceday/04prostar_wf/sbs-e2.pdf
If you note this round, if not for one of his customers riding the Brakes, Bear would have won the finals!
http://www.dragbike.com/raceday/03prostar_wf/SBS-E3.pdf
The point is, Bear has been here but where has Barry been so that he can call himself a "World Champion"! What does he have to gain other than that? World Wide recognition and world WIde sales. Remember to be the Best you have to beat the Best in their own back yard it is called Home field advantage! Other wise there would be no reason to play any sport or Race anywhere other than Home and call yourself a WOrld Champion! This is what I am getting at! This is also the Difference between Barry Henson and Rickey Gadson! Gadson went there and had a hard time but was appreciated for his efforts. The stopped the Sports TV Channel and used it for a Call in show nation wide for Rickey! Better than he was treated over here!
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posted September 04, 2006 10:54 AM
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posted September 04, 2006 03:38 PM
Is Bear on the list for the Grudge Race in October?
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posted September 22, 2006 05:11 AM
I dont think berry will do it but I would like to see it. Berry is a stand up guy for the most part, I think Bear is a cooler fellow though. I have talked to berry and was working on some business deals, Berry does what he does for business strictly and bear set up things to help people(like his stacks he makes for little or no profit).
I think its cool bear even made a challenge, and offered to help pay for him if he can meet a challenge that berry himself set the parameters for. I doubt he will show up though.
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posted September 22, 2006 07:25 AM
Dr. Ryan you are Very CLose except Bear offer is to Pay for "Everything" Shipping the persons and Bikes and Equipment and the Hotel bill.
I was wrong in 1 direction in the fact that the Owner of the Bike also wants to Wup up on Barry so he would have to bring his own bike 
Pierre does have a situation where he may bring Larry McBride and maybe the Australian over when he opens his new track! Now that would be exciting!
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posted September 22, 2006 07:50 AM
Vince.................I see what you saying, but it appears to be spilled milk. Case in point........Is Rossi truely the world Champ?? I'm sure if we look hard enough we'll find some remote island somewhere he didn't compete on, AND on that island will be some guy that claims if only Rossi had come there he would have dragged him to his knees..... See what I'm saying? I'm sure Bear has TOP NOTCH equipment and he's a good guy. It's just impossible to race in everyone's back yard. Even if Bear beat him it would prove NOTHING! A championship is made up of several races over the course of several months. For Bear to beat him on a given day would be fruitless. All that would mean is Bear was better on that particular day. NOTHING MORE 
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posted September 22, 2006 12:05 PM
Gunner, How can you even make your self compare racing in every Continent in the world to "ONLY" Racing here in the United States? Arrogrant Americans is what most would say. To beat the best here is harder than beating everyone in the entire world?
Not the same deal, but I understood that Barry was also offered to race in the UK! I understand that if that happened that there would be some South African teams there.
Let us face it, Barry is never going to leave his onw back yard and take that kind of a risk. I
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posted September 22, 2006 01:32 PM
Edited By: GUNNER on 22 Sep 2006 14:34
Well, Vince I'm afraid to report that Motorcycle drag racing just don't have enough following to complete Globally. It probably never will either. The NHRA can't even pull that off. I guess we got what we got and that's all we got. I love motorcycles Vince and racing has been a large part of my life. It's just not a perfect set of circumstances by any means or stretch of the imagination. The best I could suggest is follow the largest organized santioning body and that will be the STANDARD and series to measure up to Globally. At this point in the game it would appear to be ProStar for the bikes would it NOT?? I'm asking here... If indeed that's the case than Barry is indeed the champ. I'm neither for or against Barry or Bear. In fact I have nothing in either of my bikes from Barry and I do have Bear stacks in my 12R. Vince you're a true and loyal friend to Bear and I admire that quality in anyone. We all struggle to see justice done for our friends and NOT a single person here could ever fault you for that. In fact you're to be admired my friend. The values you place on your friendships are certainly something the world could use a lot more of.
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posted September 22, 2006 02:23 PM
Vincent...what are you proving with this thread? Did this Berry fellow sell you a bike that did not live up to its potential? Did BEAR Racing ask you to post this and call Barry out? Where exactly does VH fall into this entire equation? I just don't get it, sounds like you are stirring shit. Just my perception.
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posted September 22, 2006 02:50 PM
Easy Jeff...................Vince is a dead loyal friend!!!!!!!! and he feels his friend at Bear hasn't got a fair shake... It's what true friends do They champion the causes of their inner circle. Vince don't have to recieve anything from this. His payment will be seeing Bear have a fair shake at saying we're the king of the mountain....
Am I wrong here Vince??
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posted September 22, 2006 03:13 PM
GUYS!! Gunner is now scaring me the other way about the truth of the matter being that the NHRA cannot go everywhere but their problem is more that they just do not have any time left in their Schedule. I am more about the fact that Everybody in AMERICA is a "World Champion" except in the sports that are truly played every where in the world like Soccer!
The real truth is several things.
#1 Bear is more than a little tired of being told that his bikes do not run and that Barry's bikes will "ALWAYS" Beat him! I was there at Gainesville WOrld Final in 2004 when Barry ran an 8 in the Semi Final and the other lane had his brake light on so that Barry could win. (one of Barry's Customers who knew that if he beat him forget about more service on his bike. Bear ran a 7.5 which was faster than the other bike in the Final
So the Deal is for all of Barry's Friends and Supporters that have Diss Bear. Bear is simply saying, Put up or Shut UP in a way that leaves very little doubt that he has put his money where his mouth is!
#2 Barry stated that HIS Bike would run a 7 even in SA or he would buy the bike back. One of Barry's Bikes is over there and cannot run a 7 or beat the time of Bear's ZX12 of 8.12. We know that Barry did not put this in Writing, but I am sure he said it. Bear is also GIVING Barry a free Chance to Put up or Shut up on that deal also.
Since I know these things I asked Bear if he was for real about his offer. He said, "I flew Rickey over here 3 or 4 times I flew my entire team and all of my bikes over to America and I flew the entire Race team from Texas over here, I even flew you and your wife over here, do you think I cannot fly 1 Motorcycle some spares and a few people over to Here"? (Kpw do you argue with that?)
SO there we have it! Of course If this ever happens, I also Plan to be there even if I pay for it myself.
You have seen me put all of my stacks on sale, I did this so I will have enough money to do it either way!
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posted September 22, 2006 03:22 PM
Thanks VH. With the info you posted, the deal seems crystal clear. One thought though...if Barry is tired of hearing it, why wouldn't he just come here and prove it? No way I can attand anything in SA, but it seems that the majority of prospective customers that need to see who the real world champion is are here, not is SA.
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posted September 22, 2006 03:41 PM
Edited By: GUNNER on 22 Sep 2006 16:44
Hell, If I were Barry I would take him up on the free trip. BUT I don't think it will ever happen. BUT again what do I know? Vince NHRA could go other places but the real question is WHY? What they do makes them plenty of money and racing is ALL about the money... Maybe not to you or I, but to the people at the top that's ALL it is.. Again if Barry is making plenty of cash why bother? He's the one wearing the crown at this time. It's his to lose and Bear's to take. Looks like Bear will need to make another trip over.
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posted September 22, 2006 08:43 PM
We all understand the Reality of Life, but if no one Offers, then it is never going to change. I think when he gets the New Strip built and it attains some status with some Top Fuelers and some SBS Bikes from here and the UK I think the Word will get around but by then he would not have this offer.
I very much doubt it that you will see the Bear here this or Next year. Like I keep saying Barry is a National Champion just like in Base Ball, Foot Ball and Basket Ball which all call themselves World Champions. Mohammed Ali was a WOrld Champion and known every where in the world and fought ever where in the world. I Barry walked down the streets of Washington DC no one would know who he was or even Care. WHen RIchard Petty was in DC everyone knew him and he was a National Champ in Stock cars National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing
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posted September 22, 2006 09:00 PM
Well, another way to look at it Vince is kinds like STD and SAE dyno readings. Barry has recorded quicker time here in the states.... YES? Now if what you're saying is that in SA those times aren't possible than we'll call that SAE correction. So if you look at things that way Barry has indeed went faster than anyone else in the world with the same style / Class of bike.. There's always another way to look at it. So if we look at it that way it's NOT possible for Bear to match his record in SA so they'll need to go to a place where #1 the santioning body is.......... Just like I'm sure that there's plenty of guys that run 200 in a mile, but if it's NOT at MAxton than it's useless because who's to say it's for real or NOT. Bear is faced with the fact that SA just isn't where it's happening on a large scale. And it's too costly for all the ProStar gang to just load up and head over. Kinda like bring the mountain to Mohamed(sp) or Mohamed to the mountain. Which is simpler? AT this point it looks as though Barry has the home field advantage that gets granted to the number 1 seat.
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