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posted April 29, 2002 11:57 PM
WHAT'S THE DEAL ON MUZZY'S TURBO?
Anybody have any idea what's up with the turbo system from MUZZY? I'm trying to hold out on getting a system until they put theirs out. But damn how much longer are we to wait? Thanks for any info
  
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posted April 30, 2002 03:32 AM
Yes, how about some details on how it's going, a ETA, what the Fuck! Timming is everything, You snooze, you lose!
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posted April 30, 2002 08:51 AM
Dude did you call them?? I believe the race kit was out a LONG time ago...dont know about the street version?
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posted April 30, 2002 10:06 AM
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Dude did you call them?? I believe the race kit was out a LONG time ago...dont know about the street version?
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Yea MIKE I called them on FRIDAY and talked to some guy who did not KNOW S*#T.All he had to say was (DON'T KNOW /NO IDEA)wast of a long dis call.Wish they (muzzy) would give us some kind/any kind of info as to the status of their system.Looking to get the street kit not race kit.
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posted April 30, 2002 12:36 PM
Im sure doug will reply on this post about it..
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posted April 30, 2002 12:41 PM
just talked to them
Called Muzzys to get a fan replacement and since the thread was going decided to ask. Was told "Hopefully by summer". What summer who knows, but sounds like they are definately workin on it.
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posted April 30, 2002 01:29 PM
Here's the deal.
As mentioned above, the race kit is available, two weeks delivery. We are not promising any delivery date on the street kit because we don't know when we'll get to that point. The bike has run very successfully, the packaging is immaculate, we currently are building a second pre-production prototype for street testing. We have MANY other projects in the works, and since several of the 2002 models were late, we are currently buried in building new pipe designs. We have only so many hands. So when you are told no date set, we are being truthful. As soon as we pass another milestone in the process I'll have a better idea and will pass it along. We aren't cutting corners or rushing it. It will be done when it is done.
If you have to move on, we certainly understand, but we are trying not to make promises we can't keep.
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posted April 30, 2002 07:41 PM
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Here's the deal.
As mentioned above, the race kit is available, two weeks delivery. We are not promising any delivery date on the street kit because we don't know when we'll get to that point. The bike has run very successfully, the packaging is immaculate, we currently are building a second pre-production prototype for street testing. We have MANY other projects in the works, and since several of the 2002 models were late, we are currently buried in building new pipe designs. We have only so many hands. So when you are told no date set, we are being truthful. As soon as we pass another milestone in the process I'll have a better idea and will pass it along. We aren't cutting corners or rushing it. It will be done when it is done.
If you have to move on, we certainly understand, but we are trying not to make promises we can't keep.
Doug
Doug thanks for getting back with me so soon on this. I know it takes time to get it RIGHT.I have a 00 12 and have been looking for a system.As for the race system thats a tad pit more then I wanted.(smile)I know that there are other systems on the market.I'm sure that they are good but it's just that I have always rushed out to try and be one of the first to have something.Which most of the time means that I some times pay way to much or get second best.An spending that amount of money on a part I want have all of my option on the table.I hope that you can understand my side.I think that others like myself are just wanting some/any other information on the system like an idea on RWHP/TORQUE.Now I know that you can't say what the final system will do.But info asto how it's comming reather then just (I DON'T KNOW) all the time would make the wait ok.Like I said THANK YOU DOUG for even getting back with me in the first place.BUT PLEASE GIVE US MORE INFO (SMILE)
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posted May 01, 2002 07:32 AM
Power numbers on a turbo are kind of meaningless in that it all depends on boost. How much power do you want? You can't ride a stock chassis street bike with anything over about 250 hp. We intend to sell the turbo kit at about that level. It will do this at relatively low boost compared to most turbos. If you want 300 hp it is a simple matter of turning the screw. We could sell it as a 300hp kit or, for that matter a 400 hp kit, but that would be hype. We'll sell it as a rideable kit and be honest about the power.
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posted May 01, 2002 08:47 AM
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Power numbers on a turbo are kind of meaningless in that it all depends on boost. How much power do you want? You can't ride a stock chassis street bike with anything over about 250 hp. We intend to sell the turbo kit at about that level. It will do this at relatively low boost compared to most turbos. If you want 300 hp it is a simple matter of turning the screw. We could sell it as a 300hp kit or, for that matter a 400 hp kit, but that would be hype. We'll sell it as a rideable kit and be honest about the power.
Doug
Thanks DOUG that's what I wanted to know just an idea of what the system could do.Sorry if I came off wrong in the start of this post.What I'm looking for is about 300-320 RWHP and Torque in the 220+ range.I'm starting to set the bike's chassis up now for the turbo.Like going to rake out the front and ex swing arm right now going to try it with 5-6in on it.If that's not good then I'll go up to maybe 7 or 8in.What do you think? THANKS AGAIN DOUG
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posted May 01, 2002 01:25 PM
C.B.
You should be looking at the race kit.
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posted May 01, 2002 02:36 PM
Doug,is the race kit streetable?Do you need to rake the front for clearance?What is the ifference going to be between the race kit and street kit?
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posted May 01, 2002 05:01 PM
Why not just "spray" the bike with the turbo??? Surely the nitrous would allow for 40 or so more hp ...safely.
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posted May 01, 2002 07:23 PM
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C.B.
You should be looking at the race kit.
Well DOUG I did look at the race kit but 7000+ put it out of my range at this time.As the street kit with any luck will be around 4-5000.Cow Boy beat me to it what's the DIFF between the two kits? Other then HP and PRICE(smile) how streetable is it? As for spraying not my cup of tea in the long run I think that the turbo 12 will hold up better and if I should sell it I'll get more for it.Unless I SHOULD GO CRAZY I WON'T SELL MY BABY!SELL WIFE KIDS AND DOG FIRST!Well no I'll keep my dog need her to help protect the bike from the WIFE AND KIDS(SMILE)
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posted May 01, 2002 07:58 PM
I am here to help...
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C.B.
You should be looking at the race kit.
Well DOUG I did look at the race kit but 7000+ put it out of my range at this time.As the street kit with any luck will be around 4-5000.Cow Boy beat me to it what's the DIFF between the two kits? Other then HP and PRICE(smile) how streetable is it? As for spraying not my cup of tea in the long run I think that the turbo 12 will hold up better and if I should sell it I'll get more for it.Unless I SHOULD GO CRAZY I WON'T SELL MY BABY!SELL WIFE KIDS AND DOG FIRST!Well no I'll keep my dog need her to help protect the bike from the WIFE AND KIDS(SMILE)
Email me pictures of your wife (it isn't a package deal is it? I have a dog and am currently trying to make my own kids). 
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posted May 02, 2002 06:45 AM
Your price estimate is close but without the pistons and engine mgt, computer. These will likely be required. Think more along the lines of 6K total.
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posted May 02, 2002 09:24 AM
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Your price estimate is close but without the pistons and engine mgt, computer. These will likely be required. Think more along the lines of 6K total.
Doug
 First RJ make me an offer they come as a package, all boys 7,10,15 the 7yr old eats like a grown ass man. Now DOUG is that 6k for the street kit? If so are you saying that at this point in the testing that it look like you mybe offering it with a piston kit also? Or is the piston kit going to be an option like an intercooler?
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posted May 03, 2002 06:34 AM
What I'm saying is that unless you change the pistons or lower the compression with a band aid like a cyl spacer, you WILL break the stock pistons when running any kind of effective boost. This isn't a reflection on the turbo kit in any way. It's been well established that the stock ZX-12 pistons just don't have any "wiggle room" for detonation and will break when pushed beyond their intended design limits. We just won't toss that liability into the customer's lap. What good is a turbo if you can't run any meaningful boost?
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posted May 03, 2002 07:00 AM
ohhh.. ahhhh.. man If I could swing that turbo!! oh man that baby would be in my bike right now!!! but hey there is always Next year..
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posted May 03, 2002 07:22 AM
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What I'm saying is that unless you change the pistons or lower the compression with a band aid like a cyl spacer, you WILL break the stock pistons when running any kind of effective boost. This isn't a reflection on the turbo kit in any way. It's been well established that the stock ZX-12 pistons just don't have any "wiggle room" for detonation and will break when pushed beyond their intended design limits. We just won't toss that liability into the customer's lap. What good is a turbo if you can't run any meaningful boost?
Doug
Thanks DOUG I'll wait for you guys to put your system out so as that I can raly look and compare all of them that are out.Doug I would realy like to say thank you for your time and the insight.I am so ready to get this done,feel like a kid waiting on XMAS.What do you est the install time to be on the street/race system.An will it be a kit that the avg JOE blow with some MECH skill could install himself? Hey MAD MIKE are you going to race this weekend in VA?
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posted May 03, 2002 01:30 PM
1270
How will Muzzys 1270 kit handle turbo with low boost ??
Or is it too weak for that ?
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posted May 03, 2002 03:39 PM
Nope wish I was but this year Im trying to race at my local points race again, I believe that next year I will switch over to the Full Prostar for the 2003 season..
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posted May 03, 2002 07:14 PM
turbo
So I take that the street version wouldn't have an intercooler?
How many ponies at 8psi? What's the torque spec?
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posted May 04, 2002 09:10 PM
 Edited By: frEEk on 6 May 2002 12:43
zx 12 turbo
NLR makes a turbo for the zx 12
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posted May 04, 2002 10:43 PM
Edited By: frEEk on 6 May 2002 12:44
I didnt think NLR made any kits, thought he was just a distributor for MC Xpress that offered some upgrade services for the turbo kits he sells.. Am I mistaken??
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