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posted June 22, 2006 09:51 AM
More powdercoating questions
anyone know if it would be possible and what woudl be involved in powdercoating the forks? i assume they would have to be completely dissaembled and just the outer sylinder taken in right? is it even possible?
also, anyone ever doen the calipers? i'm assuming those woudl have to be completely dissassembled too.
   
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GUNNER
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posted June 22, 2006 12:22 PM
Freek...........I done my 12R calipers and yes it's a PITA, but possible. I put bolts in every hole and taped them up myself (I didn't trust the powder monkeys NOT to screw them up) If it's preped the correct way it's great! If the powder gets into the holes of the calipers they're screwed. Although powder can be stripped with chemicals. Man I'm not too sure about the forks. Are you talking about the upper part that fits into the trees? If so I would say that's NOT possible for several reasons.
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posted June 22, 2006 01:27 PM
yes, the outer tube. certainly not the inner sliders. why do you think it couldnt be done?
as to teh calipers, i'm mainly wondering if they have to be compeltely dissassembled? as in, the pistons and dust seals all removed. was hoping that maybe they can survive the heat since they work in a very hot environment to begin with. anybody know?
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posted June 22, 2006 03:35 PM
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yes, the outer tube. certainly not the inner sliders. why do you think it couldnt be done?
as to teh calipers, i'm mainly wondering if they have to be compeltely dissassembled? as in, the pistons and dust seals all removed. was hoping that maybe they can survive the heat since they work in a very hot environment to begin with. anybody know?
The tubes are such a precision fit that I wouldn't even think about it.
Forget about getting the calipers done as a complete unit. Bad, bad idea on several levels.
Look at it this way. To powder coat properly you have to get the part down to its most simple element and protect every machined surface as Gunner stated above.
Now that implies that 1) you have the skill and patience to tap and plug every orifice and 2) that you have a powder coater that you really, really trust to do precision work. A part like a caliper is extremely precise and one boo-boo like bead blasting the machined halve's mean you have junk.
So, I agree with Gunner 100% that it CAN be done correctly, but items #1 and #2 above have to be met.
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posted June 22, 2006 05:31 PM
do it
i had my whole shit chromed
calipers will need to be separated
lower forks can also be done
the lower forks cant be completely disassembled so youll need to "calk" the hole
everything in calipers must be taken out, easy to put back together
i had a chrome build-up problems but nothing a little precision grinding cant fix
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GUNNER
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posted June 22, 2006 05:36 PM
Powder goes on fairly thick so any powder where it don't belong is a bad thing.
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posted June 22, 2006 05:43 PM
it can be done
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posted June 22, 2006 06:10 PM
 Edited By: GUNNER on 22 Jun 2006 19:11
Dood I've already done it ALL except the outside upper fork legs. It CAN'T be done! The build up would totally fuck up the fit. Also I don't think I would want a power coating set of ball bearings between my triple clamps and the fork legs. That powder all jammed in there would be a very bad thing. By the time you got enough powder removed to reinstall the legs it would defeat the purpose. Also the legs probably wouldn't like being heated to 400 degree. Everything that's chrome on your bike is Black powder on mine 
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posted June 22, 2006 06:19 PM
Edited By: countersteer on 22 Jun 2006 19:19
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Everything that's chrome on your bike is Black powder on mine
... sorry to hear that....
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posted June 22, 2006 06:23 PM
by the way, got pics?
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posted June 22, 2006 06:49 PM
hm, gotta say the calipers sound liek alot more work than i had hoped. raelly don't wanna pull them apart that much. wonder if there exists paint out there that's tough enough to survive in that environment. anyone try that?
got a point about the forks. didn't consider that much buildup that they'de be hard to slide into the tree. maybe i'll have to see if someone will anodize them. won't hold up as well but maybe it will do the trick.
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posted June 22, 2006 07:18 PM
jaws12r anodize the outer fork and powerdercoat the fork leg...the anodize of the outer fork seems okie..but the lowerfork black coat kinda chip off due to the traveling sand.small chips of stone..caliper we using hayabusa,zx9r black
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posted June 22, 2006 07:41 PM
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by the way, got pics?
Hey asshole? Gunner has forgotten more about motorcycles than you'll ever know.
Show some respect. 
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posted June 22, 2006 07:49 PM
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by the way, got pics?
I'll make you a deal.. Show up next year for the Gap Rally or come this year and you and I will hold a mini Rally. If you can stay within 100 yards you can take your own pics. 
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posted June 22, 2006 08:02 PM
Edited By: osti33 on 22 Jun 2006 21:05
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by the way, got pics?
Hey asshole? Gunner has forgotten more about motorcycles than you'll ever know.
Show some respect.
How do you know what countersteer knows or doesn't know about motorcycles??
Do you know him personally? If you do then so be it. 
I get that you know Gunner.
I'm just curious if you know him or not because if you don't that seems like a pretty stupid thing to assume...
Just trying to get up to speed here.
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posted June 22, 2006 08:14 PM
no i just wanted to see pics of his bike, thats all
if there was a post or something that i missed, then im sorry
but i do wanna see pics of his bike... cool?
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posted June 22, 2006 08:14 PM
Osti, I'm just basing my post on names.
I like the name "Gunner" and don't like the name "Countersteer".
You know me. I'm superficial and don't know shit about bikes.
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frEEk
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posted June 22, 2006 08:15 PM
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jaws12r anodize the outer fork and powerdercoat the fork leg...the anodize of the outer fork seems okie..but the lowerfork black coat kinda chip off due to the traveling sand.small chips of stone..caliper we using hayabusa,zx9r black
oh yeah, all those models use the same calipers right? great idea, thx!
u saying you actually podercoated a lower fork leg and it didn't hold up? that's surprising as podercoating is supposed to be very tough from what i hear.
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posted June 22, 2006 08:24 PM
if im not wrong 96to 99 gsxr 750,haya,tlr,zx7,zx9r,zx12r using the same model...thats what we thought so..maybe the powdercoating shop didint do their job well ..not enough powder? might be the direct impact of the road conditions...sand,stones....my pillion rearset hold better...
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posted June 22, 2006 08:25 PM
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Osti, I'm just basing my post on names.
I like the name "Gunner" and don't like the name "Countersteer".
You know me. I'm superficial and don't know shit about bikes.
countersteer is my email address, so i just kept this login simple
youre an administrator here and youre flaming me? i respect you and i have learned plenty from your posts, so im not trying to start an argument
i have spoken with gunner before and i am interested in seeing pics of his bike, if i missed a thread or whatever about it then i apologize for not being up-to-date with everything, but i just like to see pics, thats all... if im getting flamed for this shit then i simply do not care to be a part of this website.
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posted June 22, 2006 08:25 PM
Freek. Your wheels are powdered from the factory.
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posted June 22, 2006 08:27 PM
Edited By: osti33 on 22 Jun 2006 21:28
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Osti, I'm just basing my post on names.
I like the name "Gunner" and don't like the name "Countersteer".
You know me. I'm superficial and don't know shit about bikes.
LOL! Ok. I'm up to speed. Thanks. 
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posted June 22, 2006 08:49 PM
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Freek. Your wheels are powdered from the factory.
hm, then powdercoating doesn't like salt and/or magnesium cloride, cause i got alot of paint missing from my stock front wheel.
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GUNNER
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posted June 22, 2006 09:26 PM
Freek...................I Guncoated my wheels on the 12. Nothing but blasting will remove it. NO chemicals will touch it.
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posted June 22, 2006 10:57 PM
So back to the upper fork thing. I think you can tape off (powder coaters use special tape) the part of the fork that slides into the tee and you won't have the interference problem when you put it back together. You will end up with part of the upper fork metal colour.
Gunner, i didn't realize the wheels where powder coated. I had mine powder coated and it seems to have alot more material on the wheel now then it did before powder coating.
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