wby300
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posted May 17, 2009 02:08 PM
Yes was going to send it to ridgeracer, get the package that has the cable and the programming battery. A usb bdm interface, I have the rest of what I need already I think. I downloaded bin2mot.exe and mot2bin.exe but when I open them, it pops up a dos window then it closes, so I cant yet open and check out maps to get familiar.
  
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2000redrocket
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posted May 17, 2009 02:12 PM
i am sending u a pm
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2000redrocket
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posted May 17, 2009 02:12 PM
 Edited By: 2000redrocket on 17 May 2009 22:14
ok i am not 717 865 7864. call me dennis i will explain bintomot mottobin
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2000redrocket
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posted May 27, 2009 06:00 PM
so going to the track my afr changed leaner as the air got better. i am going to keep a eye on this. i may make a hot weather map and a cold weather map.
wby300 how is it going?
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deathpulse
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posted May 28, 2009 10:46 AM
rocket - what power and torque are you pulling with the new maps? I'm very curios. I've got a 2000 with a muzzy, no kleen air and a PC-IIIr... wondering if I should ditch the PC and go native =D.
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2000redrocket
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posted May 28, 2009 01:17 PM
problem is i can not compair ti a pc. i just know some have issues and i did not want to do the same old thing everyone else did. i do not know what torque.i went from two years in a row at 162 to two years in a row at 183 then i tuned it mt self with ecu mod and seen from 183 to 189 (189 was a cold engine and to back that up i have to have my temp guage in the middle at the track or it will throw the front violent and make me shift at 11,000 in the air).
who knows what yours will be on the same dyno. there was a green zx12 full setup everything and hindle only got 165 to my same day 179. it runs strong.
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wby300
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posted May 28, 2009 02:21 PM
Not bad, picked a very good time to send my ECU in, been raining all week. Cant wait to get it back, going through withdrawls already! Still going to be a few weeks before I get the rest of what I need to hook to my puter though.
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deathpulse
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posted May 28, 2009 10:05 PM
my setup is dialed in to about 172 hp.... I'm thinking going native with the ECU is the better way... just wondering who I can get to do the tune for me =D.
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2000redrocket
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posted May 29, 2009 02:20 AM
just do not compair yours to mine without being at the same dyno.
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deathpulse
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posted May 30, 2009 01:04 AM
OH - I know that rocket. I'm just curious how much better i can tune with the straight up ECU. I think its going to depend on me finding a really great tuner in socal.
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2000redrocket
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posted May 30, 2009 06:04 AM
one guy around here says he got 6ft torque on a 600 cc dirt car engine tune. i think you should get to the point to tune it your self. you will be much more satifyed than paying someone and wondering if he got it or not.but that is what i do and i know some do not want to bother with the time involved and as others will say there is time involved. from last year season end i did not mess with the ecu actually all last year. but haveing it in my head and thinking about it a long time this spring i went and redid the number steps on the density map below 4500 and now i am where i want it almost all the time just driveing around. i was 12.5 just cruising now in upper 13s to low 14s just tooling around. now i can drive my bike much farther on a tank.
tuneing wide open is easy to me. getting it to run nice from the density map took some time to get cause and effect.but that map for a street bike is important cause you are usually in that map all the time till you hammer it.
we were talking about this and the other guys think it goes to a-n above 20% tps but i am making changes you can see to 5500 but going wide open and a density change does not do anything. when i get a chance to try out maxton or get up to the donnelson i will find out.
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steve_z
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posted June 17, 2009 05:16 AM
Just felt compelled to post on here after reading for the past month or so. I am so glad this got started and that people are still posting on this thread after so long. It has opened the doors for so many people to tune their rides on somewhat of a budget, which is great.
Keep up the great work guys 
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2000redrocket
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posted June 17, 2009 01:18 PM
well steve i may say it is i think cheeper than getting a pcanything for the programing box for the older 16bit ecus but you still have to tune it some how. i got a wego3 daralogger wideband afr unit. it is simple and small though 400 bucks. now there goes the savings.vs a pc and 300 dollar tune. but i have a killer sort of simple tuneing device i can use for anything.
the susike guys make out with this the ecus are 32bit and can be done with a simple hardware device. i hate to say this but after reading this whole post it is only the first can we do it stage. RR has done a ton more with pedrik doing programing. sucks the kawasaki group went to a harder to hack ecu on newer stuff.
in the end i know people who have had issues with the pc. plus if you want to go as fast as everyone else well just do the same thing. want to try to go faster? try something different.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted June 18, 2009 05:21 AM
I just started to actually look into this tuning option.
I downloaded the software and copied the two files into the folders.
The .s19 file wont open because its looking for a .bin file.
Where can i get the map file in .bin format for the 2000 zx12r?
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steve_z
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posted June 20, 2009 04:29 AM
What do you mean you "downloaded the software"...are you talking about the PE software? I can't find it anywhere!
BTW I have a 02 GSXR 600 that uses a 16-bit processor, so this forum has been a HUGE help so far.
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2000redrocket
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posted June 20, 2009 05:04 AM
y2k send me a email with your cell number.
dennis
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2000redrocket
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posted June 20, 2009 05:05 AM
Edited By: frEEk on 22 Jun 2009 23:17
forgot the dam email [snip]
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2000redrocket
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posted October 10, 2009 04:29 AM
i tweeked the ecu yesterday to try to get the launch rpms afr better. i got it it was in the 22.5 colum but it does weard stuff up there like if you jerk the throttle it will go 15.5 to 1 and act up like it does not know what map to use. maybe it jumps in to the a-n map doing that. the rpms are around 7600 at 8000 on the tach.and now i can get the rpms to have a good afr but it will still do weard stuff. but the bike always ran at 15 to 1 on the line before i did this so i have to be going in the correct direction.
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psychegr
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posted October 20, 2009 04:53 AM
Hi there,
my name is Padelis and i am from Greece. I own a TL1000R which uses a 16bit cpu as yours. I have developed an application with which you can reprogram your ecu with a cheap cable throught the LPT port. You can go here and check it : http://www.tlzone.net/forums/performance-enhancement/92276-stock-ecu-reprogrammable-75.html#post1493998
If you want support for the zx12 contact with me.
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RidgeRacer
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posted October 20, 2009 07:41 AM
Good work psychgr.
What he has done is provide a freeware alternative to the $199 piece of hardware and the $179 software from P&E Micro currently required to flash the 16 bit Densos like the ZX-12s and early '99-'01 Busa.
You will still need to cut open the ECUs and you will need to build the cable yourself but now you don't need to invest $400 to try it out.
I haven't tried psychgr stuff myself yet. I'm just going on what he has posted on the above link
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psychegr
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posted October 20, 2009 08:50 AM
Hi Ridge,
I was looking for you to help me on this project but i couldn't reach you. Anyway i finished this app with the help of a friend at ecuproject and i am glad to give it free to the people. If anyone wants to make a donation money, ecu or anything else i am here!
To use this app you need to cut open the ecu and if you can't build the cable you can buy one on eb@y for 10 dollars so it is still cheaper than the pemicro solution.
Ridge where can i find you to have a private talk??? I need your knowledge on something 
My app can support all the 16bit ECUs and the 32bit ECUs that have a 683xx cpu. To support it, i need some files from the ecu like control block files and the s19 dumps for the maps and the firmware! Thats all. Nothing more. And hurry up because i am thinking to go commercial!!! 
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RidgeRacer
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posted October 20, 2009 09:01 AM
Edited By: RidgeRacer on 20 Oct 2009 17:04
Your App only downloads? It doesn't upload?
I'll PM contact info
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apparently PM is down, email me at info@bikeland.info
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psychegr
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posted October 20, 2009 12:01 PM
My app does both but for 32k and 16k module. It is written for the TL1000R ecu which has 2 flash modules, one 16k and one 32k. 32k is from $0x0000 to $0x7FFF and the 16k is from $0x8000 to $0xBFFF!!! Map Data is the 16k and the Firmware is the 32k. Pretty simple.
You should use LPT1 and the setting in BIOS should be "standard" or SPP if i remember correct. You should power on the ecu and then press "Connect". To program or erase the ECU you need to supply +12v at the Vfpe pin.
If you are using this to the ZX12 ecu and it doesn't work, then it needs different initiallization from my program. If you send me the .s19 files from the control blocks then i will add support for the ZX12 ecu. If you like we can work together online through msn or skype. That way i can code and you can test the app.
Cheers!
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2000redrocket
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posted October 20, 2009 12:55 PM
so for me end user. psy, comminginto this blind does your app convert from .s19 to .bin so enginuity(what i use it is old i guess it is not called that anymore) will see it and then back to .s19 to flash back in?
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psychegr
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posted October 20, 2009 06:16 PM
My app exports .bin files which RomRaider (Enginuity) will work ok with. You need the definition file for the RomRaider. No need to convert from s19 to bin. Just bin files with which you can work staright ahead
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