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posted March 20, 2002 02:22 PM
More BS from Motorcyclist on Speed Channel...
Did anyone notice that they said that the ZO6 is the most powerfull production Vett ever made at 408 hp? What about the thousands of late production ZR-1's? And the L-88's in the 60's?
They just seem to make shit up out of thin air.
Then in the next breath they say that the GSX-R 1000 is the quickest (or was it "fastest"?) motorcycle ever made.
Gee I've never seen a stock one beat a Busa or a 12r in top speed.
Nor have I seen a stock one beat the zx12r in the 1/4 mile.
Not even trap speed.
Just another example of Motorcyclist spewing BS.
I think they believe that people dont know any better.
   
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DoubleAught
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posted March 20, 2002 03:03 PM
Most of their viewers probably don't know any better. Never ceases to amaze me how many people will come up to me thinking that my bike tops out at 120mph, or asking me "Is that a 600 or 750?"
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posted March 20, 2002 03:50 PM
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I love it when they ask me if I am riding a 600. I look down at the "12" decal and say "sure, it's a 600".
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TeamSpeed
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posted March 20, 2002 07:31 PM
Actually, the Z06 is the most powerful vette, as compared to the ZR1. The late model ZR1s ran at approx. 405 hp (as compared to the conservative 405 hp on the Z06, (they dyno greater than that), and the ZR1s were an easy 1/2 second slower than the current Z06. The Z06 (2002 model) is by far the fastest factory production vette ever made. Somebody not knowing how to run this car would still pull about a 12.5 in the quarter, but if you were willing to really rag out the car, you would get close to a 12.0 flat.
I had a 95 Z28 A4 with all bolt-ons that ran 12.90s, and depending on who was driving the 2 local ZR1s, I would beat them. They are not that fast, but the Z06s would spank me.
What I want is to find a 25K C5, and take it to Lingenfelter for their 8400 blower/hood package and warranty. This package, with tires, will run 11.7 in the quarter, and cost less than 35,000 when you are done.
I should know a little something about these cars, I live about 30 min. from Lingenfelter and have seen some of their package specials at Muncie (like the 2nd gen twin turbo C5 with stock suspension that ran a 9.54 at 149 this last spring).
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posted March 20, 2002 07:36 PM
12RPilot, I like to say that I ride 2 600s at one time. I get some wierd looks!
I will give the 600s a little (tiny?) respect. They (Honda and Kawasaki) have milked quite a bit out of the 600s over the last 5 years. I remember when they ran high 11s, and now they are in the high 10s. Considering we run an engine that is twice the size (granted alot more weight), you would think that the 12R and Busas would run better than 1 second quicker in the quarter than a 600. Granted, it takes almost an exponential amount of changes to get just tenths once you are near the single digit quarter mile times.
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posted March 20, 2002 07:38 PM
Tune the ZR1 and the ZO6 for all they are worth, and which one comes out on top? I'll bet its the four valve dohc ZR1. Remember, Chevy quit making it in '95, and something tells me that it still had a lot more power in it.
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TeamSpeed
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posted March 20, 2002 07:50 PM
That is probably true. The Z06 has already been tweaked about as much as you would want, whereas the ZR1 would benefit from today's heads/cam changes. Stock to stock, the z06 blows away the zr1 however. The L88s had alot more power than either of these, so my previous statement was wrong if you take the entire heritage of vettes into consideration of what the most powerful vette was. I think they put out about 430-450 hp, but they were not all that quick, at least in today's standards.
The Z06 is sweet, but 50,000 is steep for somebody of my means. I could take my old Z28, do the heads and intake, bore it to a 396, build up the tranny, and beef up the rear-end, and run a low 12, right with the Z06. It would not handle as well, but straight line, I would be right there.
Heck, the 12.90s that my car ran was on Pepboy Ultras, I pulled a 1.87 60ft time with an automatic on these tires. I would only need to find 7/10s, which would have not been all that hard.
With cars, it still comes down to the driver. There was a person in town that first had a 93 talon that ran 10.60s on nitrous. He could really drive that car, and really pissed off a bunch of people. However, he bought a Viper GTS, did the heads, exhaust, and added a 300 hp nitrous bottle to the car. He could not drive the car to save his life, it probably would have been beat by his old Talon. Put the car in somebody else's hands, and it should have run mid 9s... He dyno'd almost 900 hp with the juice.
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posted March 20, 2002 07:50 PM
I have seen many GSXR1000's beat ZX12r's in the 1/4 (street). Given I am giving it over to rider skill, because I know the riders in question. But it goes to show you how good of a bike the 1000 is. I have had a 1000 give me my best run yet, and I have raced a couple ZX12rs.
Given when I street race I go out w/ my BUSA straped, lowered 3" and I use a Muzzy Air-Shifter. I just get up on my tank, a little tire spin, Air-Shifting and I have never had a ZX12r able to out run the power of the BUSA. I guess you just shouldn't race those who can race. But in all honesty, the BUSA, ZX12R and 1000 are the baddest bikes I have ever riden. I LOVE the BUSA, simply because it's the biggest and the baddest. I love how peaky the power band on the ZX12r is. Not as useable as the BUSA, but it's lighter and wheelies easier. The 1000 is just a crazy bike!!! It's so light and wheelies at 120 mph as easy as my Busa wheelies at 60 mph.
But for the most part the BUSA and the ZX12r are the kings of the street!!! But in that order!!! ;-)
Keep It On One Wheel
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PaulVincent
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posted March 20, 2002 08:00 PM
Tune the ZR1 and the ZO6 for all they are worth, and which one comes out on top? I'll bet its the four valve dohc ZR1. Remember, Chevy quit making it in '95, and something tells me that it still had a lot more power in it.
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posted March 20, 2002 09:46 PM
 Edited By: ROCKET J on 20 Mar 2002 21:51
Don't forget...
That the old motors were rated in gross horsepower and nowadays, they use the net rating. They made WAY more torque though.
As it sits, off the showroom floor, I have no doubt that a Z06 would 1/4 mile any of the older stuff, even the COPO cars. E-78-14 bias ply tires don't do much but spin.
There is no doubt that a C5 is the best corvette ever made.
On the show they said that the GSXR 1000 was the fastest accelerating (?) vehicle ever offered for sale to the general public. Uh-huh. I have never seen, nor do I believe the times originally published on that bike.
That Andrew Trevitt fuck didn't know shit about cars. He probably doesn't even own one. Where "GSXR1000" flowed off his tongue, "Chevrolet Corvette Z-0-6" was spoken with every syllable pronounced, like he had neither spoken those words or heard of the car before the test. He also said that the 0-100-0 must be something that the car people do. Yea, it was made famous by the 427 Cobra. You ever heard of one those? You little training bra wearing fuck! Punk ass kids, I tell ya!
As for the "Smackdown", DUH. But offer me a new Corvette (any model) over a 1000, 'Busa, or 12, and I know which one I would take home. Even if you offered me all three bikes.
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posted March 20, 2002 10:08 PM
My buddy Ed has a z06 w/3 and 1/2 inch exhuast,filter and sticky tires,it went 12.60's with a 1.70 60',the mph was 113,I watched a 1990 model ZR-1 (loud as hell too) go 11.5's at 118 last year,no spray,but it did have drag radials and a bad ass looking air intake system,otherwise,it was stock.My friends Z06 will not pull a ZR1 or even a calloway from anywhere over 130mph(and I was with him when we raced these cars)at that speed,the ZR-1'S put it on us,the calloways do it too,but only way up top.
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posted March 20, 2002 10:47 PM
First FUCK THE RAGS!!! Second, I'm yet to lose to a busa operated by a rider of equal skill. ZO6, ZR1 I would take either. They both will be collectors items one day. Personally speed aside I have to have a convertable. If it was only the speed thing I would find a ZO6 engine and drop it in my 93 Z28 along with some work and a supercharger. The Busa is a nice bike, but you don't see 12's on every corner. And the 1K, I would love to have one.
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ROCKET J
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posted March 20, 2002 11:32 PM
It might not of had nitrous...
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My buddy Ed has a z06 w/3 and 1/2 inch exhuast,filter and sticky tires,it went 12.60's with a 1.70 60',the mph was 113,I watched a 1990 model ZR-1 (loud as hell too) go 11.5's at 118 last year,no spray,but it did have drag radials and a bad ass looking air intake system,otherwise,it was stock.My friends Z06 will not pull a ZR1 or even a calloway from anywhere over 130mph(and I was with him when we raced these cars)at that speed,the ZR-1'S put it on us,the calloways do it too,but only way up top.
11.5's are pretty far from stock (over a second).
What year Z06?
A regular Corvette will "top end" a Z06, you know.
I took a tour of the Corvette plant back when they were making ZR-1's. They had LT5's stacked like cordwood. One of the most beautiful sights I have ever seen. A friend of mine was caught attempting to "liberate" the Mercury Marine cover off one of the plenums. I thought they were going to shoot him. What a goof. Of course if you had that thing today, it would be collectible, for sure.
Callaway, Shmallaway. John Lingenfelter is THE MAN.
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posted March 21, 2002 04:50 AM
I"M NOT STICKING UP FOR MOTORCYCLIST (BUNCH OF FUCKEN MORONS). The statement was, the GSXR-1000 is the fastest/quickest production bike on a (roadrace) track.
They should have used the most exotic/expensive car made period. Something like a F-50, or somthing.
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PaulVincent
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posted March 21, 2002 04:57 AM
Koz, Thanks for clearing that up. It clearly makes a difference.
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TeamSpeed
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posted March 21, 2002 06:51 AM
If they would have taken the most exotic car (like the F-50, vectors, etc) and compared it to any of the 3 fast bikes (busa, zx12r, gsxr1000), it would have been FUNNY!
"We took a $300,000 vehicle, and tried to beat a $9000 bike, and couldn't quite do it... It was close though! So if you want a production car to beat a production bike, just spend almost a half million and you might be able to do it."
That would be hilarious.
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posted March 21, 2002 09:53 AM
nah, those kinda cars would definitely beat up on the bike. remember how the viper slightly edged out the yzf1000 or whatever it was a few years ago? well, an f50 is sure a whack more powerful, lighter, and better handling than a viper. and those cars are definitely a helluva lot more than $300,000. the mclaren, MB supercar, Porsche GT1/2 (whatever), and cars of that ilk are all the the $1,000,000 range. i remember the Benz carries the highest sticker price for any car, with $2,000,000. damn, i'd like to own that Benz tho. Absolutely beautiful, even when its in midair doing a backwards summersault (everyone else see that clip i imagine)!
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posted March 21, 2002 10:24 AM
frEEk, I think that it would depend on the test. Zero to 100 to zero = bike. Quarter mile = bike. The rest, I don't know, but it would depend upon the test.
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Koz
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posted March 21, 2002 10:36 AM
I think the only thing the car would win would be top speed.
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posted March 21, 2002 11:25 AM
TeamSpeed and others,
Last week on Friday at Rockingham, North Carolina, Ryan Schnitz ran a 9.59 on a STOCK ZX-6R. He is regularly in the nines.
6's are in the mid 9's
12's are in the high 8's
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posted March 21, 2002 11:29 AM
BAHAHAHAHA
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He also said that the 0-100-0 must be something that the car people do. Yea, it was made famous by the 427 Cobra. You ever heard of one those? You little training bra wearing fuck! Punk ass kids, I tell ya!
you're cracking me up Rocket!
That test is INFAMOUS!!! ...and so is Carroll Shelby.
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posted March 21, 2002 12:22 PM
no one seems to remember the TWO ZL-1 vettes they made in '69, ran 10.5 in the quarter, not protos either, made on a production line
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posted March 21, 2002 01:14 PM
See the U.S.A.
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no one seems to remember the TWO ZL-1 vettes they made in '69, ran 10.5 in the quarter, not protos either, made on a production line
That is because that is just not true. And by the way I did mention the COPO cars.
The ZL-1 Corvette that ran 10.9's had an automatic, open headers, 9" slicks, and a 4.88 gear. The road car with 4 speed, full exhaust, tires and 3.70 gears never got out of the 12's. Quick for the era, but not quicker than some of today's cars. An SS/AA Hemi Dart won't run 10.5's as delivered, and it will kick the snot out of ANY Corvette.
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posted March 21, 2002 06:44 PM
i stand corrected. the bike would certainly win the acceleration tests. i seem to remember cars are more capable when it comes to stopping, but now sure if it would be enough to overcome the 3 seconds (or so) lost in getting to 100 to begin with.
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posted March 22, 2002 06:12 AM
1 of the 2 ZL-1 corvettes is at Rogers Corvettes in Orlando Florida area......... I have all the stckers off mine none at all on it.... Everybody is always asking me if its a ZX-9. I tell them huh yea..... Now that I'm on NOS they can't see it at all(no lines showing what so ever) they will think I have a damn fast stock ZX-9...LOL LOL
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