ez2remember82
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posted December 17, 2005 10:19 AM
damn right, they do all stick together. I've talked to cops that I grew up knowing and asked them about fucked up things other cops do that is not exactly legal and they still defend each other. I was talking to one of the other drivers the other day and he said he was a cop for 11 years in olathe ks wich is pretty much a part of kansas city, and he told me one of the reason he quit was because of all the fucked up things his "buddies" were doing and he couldn't take it anymore. So maybe there is no immediate proof of wrong, but it's still there and more than what good cops are going to admit to.
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worm~hole
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posted December 18, 2005 01:48 AM
 Edited By: worm~hole on 18 Dec 2005 10:04
...and now for your viewing pleasure 
Recently, the Toronto Police Services board ran an
e-mail forum, a question and answer exchange with the
topic being "Community Policing." One of the civilian
email participants posed the following question: "I
would like to know how it is possible for police
officers to continually harass people and get away
with it?"
From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) Sgt
Jones a cop with a sense of humor (or reality)
replied:
"First of all, let me tell you this...it's not easy.
We average one cop for every 600 people. Only about
60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you
might refer to as "patrol") where we do most of our
harassing. The rest are in non harassing departments
that do not allow them contact with the day to day
innocents. And at any given moment, only one-fifth of
the 60%
patrollers are on duty and available for harassing
people while the rest are off duty. So roughly, one
cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000
residents.
When you toss in the commercial, business, and tourist
locations that attract people from other areas,
sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is
responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.
Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds
long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person,
and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a
donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is
not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up
to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too
tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us
narrow down those people which we can realistically
harass. The tools available to us are as follows:
PHONE: People will call us up and point out things
that cause us to focus on a person for special
harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a
code phrase we often use. This means we'll come out
and give some special harassment. Another popular one
is, "There's a guy breaking into a house" or "So and
so has a grow op". The harassment team is then put
into action.
CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people
who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast
cars, cars with no insurance or no drivers license and
the like. It's lots of fun when you pick them out of
traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red
light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment
on when you find they have drugs in the car, are
drunk, or have a warrant.
RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the
sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as
satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the
scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass
them for hours.
STATUTES: When we don't have PHONE or CARS and have
nothing better to do, there are actually books that
give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are
called "Statutes"; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle,
Liquor Act, etc... They all spell out all sorts of
things for which you can really mess with people.
After you read the statute, you can just drive around
for awhile until you find someone violating one of
these listed offences and
harass them. Just last week I saw a guy smash a car
window. Well, there's this book we have that says
that's not allowed. That meant I got permission to
harass this guy. It is a pretty cool system that we
have set up, and it works pretty well. I seem to have
a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get
away with it. Why? Because for the good citizens who
pay the tab, we keep the streets safe for them. Next
time you are in my town, give me a single finger wave.
That's another code word.
...a long-time trusted buddy of mine (a SWAT member, no less!  ) sent this xmas cheer to me...yeah, we stick together even in cheer...Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from your friendly local police....
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redelk
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Please... speak to the hand.
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posted December 18, 2005 12:25 PM
Edited By: redelk on 18 Dec 2005 23:38
Very interesting viewpoints with a few assumptions thrown in. Alas, I can only speak from my own personal experiences.
238 mentions something about carry a gun and having the authority to kill, injure, or generally fuck up someone's day. Interesting, I kinda thought that's what my concealed weapon permit allowed me to do. All the same, I won't have to worry about who's word they will believe in the court. Unlike our assumption the officer will "shoot to wound" and stop the perp from whatever they are doing... I have been instructed to "terminate with extreme prejudice". Kinda of a "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six".
When I first applied, I was declined by the state police because of a previous charge of third degree battery - domestic abuse (latter nol prosed). In a nutshell, my alcoholic ex-girlfriend would always get pissed when I would pay attention to her when she was drunk. He response was to call the cops and tell them I was beating her. Usually they would come to my house and since she would not cooperate with them, they would just take the "report" and leave.
During the time we were remodeling my house (ripping out cabinets, etc.), both of us would get scratches, cuts and bruises. When she made her usual call and the officers arrived, I was in bed asleep and she was showing them her cuts and bruises. Next thing I knew, I was "wearing the zip ties" and heading to the county lock up.
A few months latter, she called them again. When the officers came to my front door, they heard screams of "Get off of me! Leave me alone!". Thinking someone was in danger, they came through the unlocked door and immediately went to where the screams were still coming from. Imagine their surprise when the opened the door and saw a guy on the floor in the fetal position with a young woman on top of him and it was the GUY that was screaming!
As my ex went and locked herself in the bathroom, the officers asked me why I just didn't push her off of me. I explained to them about my previous battery charge and I wasn't going to take any chances. While we were talking in my bedroom and my ex was screaming obscenities from the bathroom... the officer's radio squawked that he needed to go back to my house due to another domestic call. I couldn't help but laugh when the officer replied that he had not left the scene.
I ended up having to get an eviction notice to get her out of my house. As a "parting gift" from one of her friends helping her move out, she took my bowling ball and introduced it to the top of the gas tank of my bike. A officer said I could make a report of insurance purposes, but since I didn't see who actually did it, I was SOL.
Bringing this lil' story full circle, when I appealed my CWP application rejection, I presented the nine domestic disturbance reports, including the outcome of the battery charge and all gave them the eviction notice. Three weeks later, I got the permit. That was about ten years ago.
When it comes to cops and me riding my bike, I have been pulled over about 35 times in the past eight years. Out of those 35 times, I have received a couple of written warning and five tickets. The number of times I was violating some traffic law at the time I was pulled over would be about... 35.
My first ticket had the speeding charge on it, but because the city cop got scared shitless while "pursuing" me, he saw fit to "pile on" three more charges. They include two "illegal lane changes" (didn't use a turn signal) and running a red light. I was "guilty" of one "illegal lane change" since I had only changed lanes once. Those two charges ended up being the ones that stuck. Being more than one violation, I couldn't get "probation" and it stuck on my record for three years.
Right when that ticket was about to drop off my record, I got pulled over by a state trooper. Since he had pulled me over about six months earlier and let me off, he knew I had a ticket on my record. He told me that since our first meeting, I always seemed to be speeding every time we would cross paths since. This time, he was giving me a ticket for 59 in a 45 (which I was guilty of).
After he left, I sat there pouting over the fact one can not get probation on a ticket if they already have one on their record in that city. Upon closer examination of the ticket, I realized he had sent me to the NORTH Little Rock, AR court instead of the Little Rock court. Even though the violation occurred in Little Rock. When I went to go pay the ticket, the clerk asked me if I had a traffic violation IN the city of NORTH Little Rock in the past three years. My answer was no, thus I pay $120 and got six month probation. The trooper could have just as easily sent me to the LR court, but he didn't.
My third ticket was from a county deputy. Because that county sheriff's department is a client of mine, the sheriff said I could just tear the ticket up, but "don't plan on comin' back to the trough again". Gotta love good ole boys.
My fourth ticket about three years ago from a state trooper in a different county. I again scored probation on that ticket. Before and since that ticket, I have been pulled over by numerous county deputies and state troopers. In some cases, I was doing over a ton. When the deputy or trooper realized I not only stopped as soon as the lights came on, but was in my 40's instead of some teenage squid, they would usually tell me to grow up and slow down.
My most recent ticket was last October. I will be doing a "redelk tale" on this one when it is resolved in January. It was a very bogus ticket from a small town marshal for 110 in a 55. Not "clocked" with radar, but "paced" with his patrol car. Since I got the ticket, I've had to deal with their "local" attorneys which due to a miscommunication resulted in a bench warrant being issued for failure to appear. My current attorney has gotten that cleared up and is confident we will beat the ticket. After we put this one down, it will be safe to assume that it would be in my best interest that I avoid this part of the state in the future. We will piss off the town marshal.. I promise you. More on that ticket in a later thread.
I often work very late by myself in a "not so great" part of town (thus the CW permit). There is a crack house right next to my shop and countless transients wandering around due to the Salvation Army's housing facility two blocks down. Being known as "the crazy cracker with the Glock" by both my "neighbors" and transients alike, no one hassles me or tries to break in to my shop. Most of the transients camped out (because the SA won't let drunks spend the night inside) have passed out by the time I leave and the crack dealers know I "frown" on them conducting their business in my parking lot.
My point of all this dribble is that I work with members of law enforcement on a daily basis. I know a few are dicks, but the majority makes it easy for me to say... Yes, I am happy when I see a cop when I haven't called them.
I've always felt that if I got pulled over on my bike, odds are I was guilty of something and had little room to complain. I just try to be respectful in our conversation and not admit anything. I figure if I have something to argue about, it will be before a judge and not the officer.
Even now, after having to go to court in January and paying $500 to an attorney to "prove" my innocence (the ticket is only $175, but no probation)... those feeling haven't changed. It is almost worth $500 to just getting the joy of totally humiliating this dick of a town marshal. He though he pulled over some "sheepish, big city boy", but won't have a clue on what hit him when I'm through with him.
Seeing one when I haven't called one reminds me that the odds are fairly good that I will also see one when I do call them. So far, when I have called, it has always been the case.
Worm, I hope you don't mind me copying your "Xmas Cheer". I want to give it to some of my "cop buddies". They will love it as they continue being the jack booted thugs that they are.
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frEEk
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ummm... yeah
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posted December 18, 2005 12:36 PM
quote:
There is a crack house right next to my shop
i will never understand how known crack houses (and similar venues) are allowed to continue to run. it's just so fucking rediculous it makes my blood boil.
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worm~hole
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posted December 18, 2005 01:32 PM
...no probs, pastor...and happy holidays!
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who would do us harm.”
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12r1
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posted December 18, 2005 04:21 PM
Anybody, regardless of title, who wants to pick my pocket for just ridin' my motorsickle too fast, is foe. Not 100 through a school zone, of course.Each P.D. have so many extremely more important criminal cases/ issues they can be looking into instead of sneakin' around picking peoples pockets.The the powers who made such a system, as well as police, know what a bunch of b.s it is but there's so much money in it. Crooks, nothing more. Prisons are full of poor SOB's stealing much less.For every doctored up "study" denouncing a few more mph's, there are plenty to state otherwise.
If I'm a bad man for not enjoying ass rapings along some backroad, while out blowin off some steam on a day off from work, so be it. I'm completely fine with that, and tough shit if you don't like it. It takes a special kind of person to not understand that, usually the popo.
I've always run, and always will. It's more lack of intelligence to try catching one of these things, than it is to motor off on one in complete control, only a bit faster than "acceptable".
Why do I ramble on like this, won't change a thing..............
jeff
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worm~hole
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posted December 18, 2005 06:59 PM
...you're absolutely right, jeffy....it won't change a thing...dude, I bet that it just sucks being you, huh?....speed all you want, we'll be looking out for you....and have a nice day!
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stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.”
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12r1
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posted December 18, 2005 08:36 PM
Just keep sharp, Wormy , and get home safe to enjoy the Holidays.
jeff
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worm~hole
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posted December 18, 2005 09:59 PM
..backatcha', buddy! 
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