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posted December 12, 2005 10:14 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 12 Dec 2005 22:20
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...actually ,Ted, and if we're talking strictly speeding tickets, most cops don't give a rat's ass about how many priors the person has, convicted or not....we just give the ticket or a warning on the spot, often not knowing if he /she has priors for speeding....
There are always exceptions, not that you were saying there aren't: my last ticket -- and I had just gotten the very last points off my license too -- the cop obviously checked my record and told me in a quite critical way that I (supposedly) have a "terrible driving record."
Eight tickets in 22 years in Florida, none particularly egregious, that's "terrible..." You would at least hope it would be like your credit report, in just doing a traffic stop a cop would only look back 7 years, but not so...
Oddly enough I have a friend who has never gotten a speeding ticket, despite speeding all the time, and therefore has "Safe Driver" written on his license (they do this in Florida.) The result? Warning every time... perhaps since he has this nice clean record. Probably has been stopped as many times as me, but apparently it becomes self-perpetuating cycles... either "this guy is a repeat offender so we'll write him again," or, "this guy is clean so he gets a break."
Weird system.
But anyhow some cops certainly do check, and while tone of the cop's voice and facial expression may not mean anything, it did appear it had something to do with his decision. He himself said, as was the case, that there was absolutely no traffic, straight road, it was a road that looked like the speed limit was higher and there had been no sign for a long way, nothing unsafe about it. He did take off 5 mph but who knows, if he had seen a "clean record" he might have written nothing, just as always happens with that friend and no doubt others as well.
  
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posted December 12, 2005 10:20 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 12 Dec 2005 22:20
...yes, there are always the exceptions...and it goes both ways 
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posted December 15, 2005 08:18 AM
Late breaking new, Yesterday's Memphis news.
2 officers chareged with stealing
6 thousand dollars from a motorist and planting drugs .
one officers shot himself in an attempt to get workmans comp.
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posted December 15, 2005 08:56 AM
Edited By: ninja12 on 15 Dec 2005 09:01
See what happens when you stop for a ticket?
http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_4316040,00.html
WOW, we talk about bad cops and they step forward.
Maybe this is not a growing problem, it has always been this bad.
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posted December 15, 2005 09:21 AM
....since you seem to have a ton of time with, how about collating all what cops do good vs what cops do bad NATIONALLY...it'll be very interesting, if not predictable, that cops do way more good than bad by a very, very, WIDE margin....its the same 'ol same 'ol...BAD NEWS SELLS...
btw, for every 'cops are bad' post you submit, I'm willing to bet that you're still out numbered at least 10 to 1 NATIONALLY in spite of what your poll at bikeland indicates....this is, afterall, a site where most members, including myself , uh...like to speed!...
...now go take a poll at some retirement home or active seniors community or VFW post and see what the percentages are ...your poll is interesting but inconsequential to the over scheme of things....
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posted December 15, 2005 11:12 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 15 Dec 2005 11:14
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See what happens when you stop for a ticket?
http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_4316040,00.html
WOW, we talk about bad cops and they step forward.
Maybe this is not a growing problem, it has always been this bad.
..I can't view the lonk, but I'm guessing that its a bad cop behaving badly....if that's the case, see how idiotic you sound with your statement?....as if that's SOP 
...if its not the case, I apologize...
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posted December 15, 2005 12:25 PM
Edited By: ninja12 on 15 Dec 2005 12:36
It sounds like it was SOP for them.
Cops pull you over and rob you, If you don't like like it
they plant drugs in your car and take you to jail.
Read the link. More to come as they already did a
plea and agreed to sing.
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posted December 15, 2005 01:08 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 15 Dec 2005 13:09
....maybe SOP for those goons...however, this is not what typically happens when you stop for a ticket, would you agree with that?...and "This is what happens when you stop for a ticket." is for the majority of times during the thousands of stops that cops conduct each and every day/night nation-wide 24/7 is not really true, don't you agree?....dude...if your statement was actual testimony on the witness stand, it'd get chewed up and spit out bigtime in court...and you'll be mumbling incoherently to your self, wondering why counsel severely spanked you in public....
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posted December 15, 2005 01:20 PM
I didn't think either of us were on trial.
Yes i agree that this is not what happens everday on every stop.
It's like the lotto, you don't win everyday, but you know the big prize is there
and someone is going to get it, one day it could be you.
You are exactly what i'm talking about.
You don't know these guy, not even in the same state but somehow you feel
the need to defend the force.
I agreed that there are good cops, but you have trouble with the idea that there are bad cops.
WHY?
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posted December 15, 2005 02:30 PM
....read every post I've submitted regarding this topic...I'm sure I've indicated that there are good and bad cops out there...its your statement "This is what happens when you stop for a ticket." leaves no room for debate on a debateable statement...seriously, think about what you've written...you've written an emperical statement, but according to whom?...from what is obvious, its only according to ninja12....
...hell no I will never defend bad cops or not acknowledge they don'y exist...I've stated it on numerous occassions...it is you who has a problem, I think...you have a problem being objective about this topic, you have a problem talking about stuff you don't really no shit about except that it happened to friend of a friend of a friend....may I suggest that you go to your local library and read up on it...dufe, this is basically a mental masturbation of opposing views and it means squat to most who've read it...
...and no, we're not on trial, but a ton of people are reading this and are free to judge us....
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posted December 15, 2005 03:18 PM
Get real,
I know that this type stuff happens alot more than you read about.
I know it can happen to me.
I know i'd rather know what's inside the blue uniform.
I know the rest of the shit you say i don't know is really only important to you and fellow
leos.
I know LEOs can justify bending the law to it don't apply to them.
I did make a mistake in my statement in a weak attempt at humor.
correction!!!
SEE WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU WHEN YOU STOP FOR A TICKET !
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posted December 15, 2005 03:49 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 15 Dec 2005 15:56
...you don't know the job and you assume that this stuff happens more than you read about....where's the proof that it does?...where's your proof?....not some imaginary number based on paranioa...on the other hand there may be proof that this kind of bad behavior just doesn't happen just as often as you state based on the fact that we don't read about a so-called epidemic of police brutality or abuse of power on the nightly news... but you do read about the disgusting and occassional abhorent behavior by bad cops or otherwise good cops who had a lapse in judgement every once in a while...its not a prefect world..........as I've said before, the sheer numbers just don't add up against cops on the daily number of stops...hey so you're paranoid about cops....hey, that's cool...we're not paranoid about cats like you....and I think your attempt at humor regarding police power abuse and corruption is indeed weak
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posted December 15, 2005 04:03 PM
Edited By: trenace on 15 Dec 2005 16:06
How many arrests are made per year in the US? Roughly on the order of 10,000,000 I suppose, but is there a better figure?
Now, figure rare frequency but out of a population of ten million or so events, and what happens?
Not that that excuses the individual events but it perhaps gives a different overall view.
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posted December 15, 2005 04:13 PM
worm.
Let me say this, I am a big fan of the police for the most part. The problem is that there are armed people out there cruising around in cars that take advantage of the power vested in them. Where there is little recourse if they decide to hurt or just make your life miserable, willing to break the law and hurt the people they were sworn to protect. I want to take comfort in the belief that the place I live in is safer because of them. When they abuse their power, it is ten times as bad as what the bad guys do, for the simple reason they swore to protect the innocent. That means they must be held to a higher standard. Yes, most realize cops are underpaid, under a ton of stress, and aren't appreciated. But you do get one big perk. You do get out of a lot of tickets.
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posted December 15, 2005 04:21 PM
So let's get it straight...
A cop can whack a generally law-abiding American citizen on the side of the road for being mouthy, or just because the cop was pissed from a previous guy running and this guy now did nothing wrong except be there at the wrong time, beat him pretty good, and nothing happens much of the time... and even if something happens to the cop it's probably not going to be that severe...
Whereas now, if one of our soldiers hits a terrorist or even makes them wear panties on their head or in any way "degrades" them or is too rough on them in trying to get info to save American lives, he's going to get court-martialed and will face years of imprisonment.
Nice set of priorities and values!
I wonder why McCain was not as concerned with rogue cops that beat the public as he was with a handful of cases of terrorists getting beaten (or less)?
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posted December 15, 2005 04:29 PM
Another thing to consider is how many people don't report police abuses because of fear? Let's face it, get on the bad side because you did the right thing, and his buddies think you are lying. I mean who are they going to believe? ...Life could become extremely miserable.
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posted December 15, 2005 09:18 PM
'you don't know the job and you assume that this stuff happens more than you read about....where's the proof that it does?...where's your proof?...."
Are you really sick, or just stupid!
Maybe you think these where the last two bad cops in america. LOL
These didn't even exist until yesterday when they were caught, according to you.
Everytime a cops breaks the law, the other cops immediately arrest them and kick them off the force. Then the news is notified, Right?
I don't know the job, is that the reason these two were robbing people?
Someone PLEASE tell me about the job of LEO's so america will not have anymore cops rob, beat, plant drugs or kill anybody else.
Just when you had me convinced it was just me and my friends in danger, I find out other
have problems with LEOs. I didn't even who either of the big bad criminals that got robbed. But the world is safe now.
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posted December 15, 2005 09:47 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 15 Dec 2005 23:49
...ninja12...you're missing the point...the job is not about cops beating and robbing people....its about the majority of cops who do the job the way it is supposed to be done...yet based on your statement, you somehow think that beating people and robbing them is what most cops do ...are you for real?...are you that paranoid about cops?...how old are you and what is your life's experience?
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posted December 15, 2005 09:56 PM
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Another thing to consider is how many people don't report police abuses because of fear? Let's face it, get on the bad side because you did the right thing, and his buddies think you are lying. I mean who are they going to believe? ...Life could become extremely miserable.
...Ted, I'd like to think that you're more sophisticated than this and I am pretty certain that you are, no joke!....maybe this terrible problem of police abuse is more prevelant in a small rural, out in the boonies environment...then, yes, then I guess I would be leary of these cops and the departments they work for...but I work for a large department and we have checks and balances to keep things on the up and up...so maybe its I should clarify everything I say about police work in that my opinions and observations are based on working with a good and highly visible department....
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posted December 15, 2005 09:59 PM
...trenace, with my department, we have to justify our every actions...liars are found out or eventually found out then fires...well, that's been my observations of this department anyway...
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posted December 15, 2005 10:47 PM
Edited By: trenace on 15 Dec 2005 22:55
I didn't say otherwise.
(Perhaps you haven't seen the articles yet that they've just passed a law against even "demeaning" a terrorist. Another fantastic legislative accomplishment.)
If our soldiers are allowed less latitude with terrorists than our cops have with American citizens, and made to fear risk of years of imprisonment for even "demeaning" a terrorist, we ain't gonna win this war or at best we will lose a lot more of our lives in the process, and there are some politicians obviously determined to make that the case, gotta protect those terrorists.
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posted December 15, 2005 11:45 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 16 Dec 2005 00:01
...trenace, just lettin' you know what I've seen from the inside
...btw, ninja12...I have a total of 20 years and counting in copwork and I've yet to issue a beating on anyone...though I've been tempted more than a few times, believe me....never have and hope I never will...pressure points and pain compliances, however, are my friends ....and then there's my K9, properly utilized, of course...I firmly believe that most cops out there aren't out to git 'ya...it'd be a sad state of affairs indeed if it were....
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posted December 16, 2005 01:33 PM
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Another thing to consider is how many people don't report police abuses because of fear? Let's face it, get on the bad side because you did the right thing, and his buddies think you are lying. I mean who are they going to believe? ...Life could become extremely miserable.
...Ted, I'd like to think that you're more sophisticated than this and I am pretty certain that you are, no joke!....maybe this terrible problem of police abuse is more prevelant in a small rural, out in the boonies environment...then, yes, then I guess I would be leary of these cops and the departments they work for...but I work for a large department and we have checks and balances to keep things on the up and up...so maybe its I should clarify everything I say about police work in that my opinions and observations are based on working with a good and highly visible department....
Let's face it, you guys are worse than a sewing circle. I have and have had many cop friends, and there is one thing I know for sure is you guys stick together like glue. One for all and all for one. Cops don't turn on other cops unless there is some real proof... period. So all I was saying is that a hypothetical bad cap, believed to be a good one by his peers could easily make almost anyones life a living hell.
And no one can tell me that there isn't a vast quantity of people out there that aren't scared shitless of cops, maybe because of past abuse or just what they have seen in the news.
Sophisticated?
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posted December 16, 2005 03:25 PM
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...ninja12...you're missing the point...the job is not about cops beating and robbing people....its about the majority of cops who do the job the way it is supposed to be done...yet based on your statement, you somehow think that beating people and robbing them is what most cops do ...are you for real?...are you that paranoid about cops?...how old are you and what is your life's experience?
Worm, If I somehow mis-stated that MOST cops beat and rob, my grammar is much worst than i thought, and I apologize.
What I think I said is that there are bad cops out there that will beat, rob, and kill in an unlawful way. The fact that most cops do their job when it doesn't entail other cops is not anything new. The fact that I should be able to stop for a ticket WITHOUT ANY fear of
being beaten and robbed by most of the LEOs is not good enough. Especially since I will be forced to provide my own defense against the rest.
Is it legal to let the cop dog bite people just because they ran, even after they stop with their hands in the air? I got that straight for a cops mouth, he was not talking to me but he took
great pride in his dog getting a bite, "If we chase, he is going to get a bite!". When asked again he said he don't call the dog off until the cuffs are on. Is that right? SOP?
You asked about my background.
I'm 40+ working IT for almost 20 years with the same company.
3 kids one in college, i'm not a hot head or bad ass. My biggest crime is that
i'm addicted to speed, 100+ mph type speed. I've had all types of experiences
with cops from "slow it down" to "hands on the hood" and searched for 12mph over .
I have had a cop run me down and almost run me over blocking the lane because i left the light too hard for his liking. Just for the record i was not trying to run just out having a a little fun on the ole zx12. I thought no one was around so i left the light pretty hard . I've been threaten with a ass whipping when I told cop I didn't need his attitude just give me my ticket.
I had a off duty officer pull his piece on me, because I questioned why he had
roughed my 15 yr old son up at a skate party. Threaten to take me to jail if I didn't leave, LOL.
I promised him then and there that he would not be the one to take me to jail.
Only after stuff got completely out of hand did his partner step in and make him holster his gun.
I am a man, and due a certain amount of respect.
Disrespect me i'll disrespect you. Hit me and the job won't save your ass.
The reason I have a problem with cops is some cowards hide behind the law to abuse people.
Anyone other than leo attacks me it is simple self defense, but when some asshole with a
badge does it the charge is assault of a LEO, a felony. DAMN!
Every cop within 5 states want to help him, without regard of why he's in this situation?
I can't even count on the good police to save me. They are family.
That's why I call the LEO's a gang. Tell me where they differ.
Remember most gangs are started to protect their hood.
A very good friend just got out after 5 years for a something similar .
I asked if he could do it over would he still whip that cop again, his answer was " I wouldn't have a choice".
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posted December 16, 2005 04:28 PM
ninja12... check your PMs
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