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posted December 04, 2005 09:23 PM
Fuck the system! ANARCHY right here and now GUNNER!!! 
"Hell no, we won't go!" "Hell no, we won't go!!" hahahaha
  
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posted December 04, 2005 09:26 PM
Anarchy.............do you eat those on your pizza Nick? Blahahahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted December 04, 2005 09:28 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 4 Dec 2005 21:29
Exactly.
What would be rational would be for there to be a "Speeding without reckless endangerment of others" ticket.
So you were going 150... if not recklessly endangering others, then big deal, 5 points on your license, a few hundred bucks fine... Guys would stop.
However, that NOT being the case, with the expected absolute disaster the state would inflict if one stops from such a speed, what can one logically deduce is generally going to happen?
D'oh????
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posted December 04, 2005 09:32 PM
You lost me there Trenace?????????
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posted December 04, 2005 09:48 PM
Edited By: trenace on 4 Dec 2005 23:14
I am saying that speeding that does not involve endangerment of others is not really that big a crime, should not be treated as that huge a deal.
If the law were written accordingly and a guy knowing he was clocked at 150 mph but he's not endangering anybody in doing so, then is he more likely to stop for the cop when that's all that's going to happen to him, not that big a deal, than in the situation where he is going to go to jail, going to have his license at least suspended and maybe permanently revoked, and maybe have his bike seized?
So which way makes more sense to write the law?
The only real offense should ever be endangerment anyway. Anything that is non-endangerment, not even to self, should never be a major ticket if even a ticket at all. However that is a secondary point. The main point is that imposing excessive penalty for very high speed speeding actually impairs enforcement of that law. It's stupid even from the practical point of view. It should be predictable that making the penalties for speeding so extreme, this inevitably will result in more running and inevitably will result in lesser rate of enforcement, not to mention more officers dying when trying to pursue. Completely stupid.
It would make far more sense for someone speeding at a high rate of speed but not endangering anyone to merely face a matter of paying a reasonable amount of money. The policy of local governments and police to be the iron-fisted dictator that "really shows 'em" for speeding -- but in fact results in the speeder just deciding the hell with it and generally getting away with doing so -- is one that with about two seconds of thinking any legislator should realize, "D'ohhh," is stupid and counterproductive.
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posted December 05, 2005 08:43 AM
I agree with Trenace. You can't count on police and the system to recognize when speeding involves danger to others. That is why many run. Change the rule and save lives.
Same thing with high speed pursuits. High speed pursuits kill lots of innocent bystanders, too many to justify the apprehension of speeders. Change the rule and save lives.
That said, if you are fucking around and a cop dies, you deserve what you get.
Sure it was an accident and it was the cops fault for pursuing a vehicle he could not reasonably catch but you started the chain of events. 30 years is steep but shouldn't be cause for surprise to anyone.
How will that sentence play out? Get 30, do half minus good time? Be out on parole in 8? Maybe 10? Seems reasonable to me.
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posted December 05, 2005 08:49 AM
Rememer that TENN trooper Rick? The one that went ater Roger and Mike? Damn he had that Crown Vic almost sideways going around that turn, I thought he was going to loose it right there. I stopped and he blew right by me after them. With kids at home, I'm never running, not worth it for them loosing a father over a stupid ticket.
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posted December 05, 2005 09:03 AM
Otis...........That's a good point to all this. You stopped and he could have ticketed you safely and ask for the other names. (not that you would have known those guys. right) But that was the safe and smart move. BUT, that chase at speed and take em dead or alive aditude was working for that trooper that day. Results could have been a dead trooper or others if he had lost complete control of that cruiser and crashed. Face it guys a large % of the problems lays in how LEOs treat us when we do stop. Too many times your reward for not running is a trip down town or a cracked skull and busted up motorcycle after they have their buddy drag it down the highway hooked to a wrecker with the front wheel draggin the road. Yea that never happens does it? Right 
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posted December 05, 2005 09:18 AM
Yeah Chris I remember it well. Thing is, he put a lot of Harley riders at risk when he did that if you'll recall.
I respect you for your policy of not running from the cops Chris. I however can make no such claim, but I will break it down a little for the viewing audience at home.
I didn't run that day either for multiple reasons. All the stars must align if I make the choice to run. Mike and Rog blew by me motioning me to come on in a very rapid manner. I knew what that meant, but I also knew that I'd never been down that road before. No further thought by me was needed, and that very decision spared me because the trooper came up on me, but the sight of Mike and Rog fading off to freedom must of pissed him severely. He fuckin' toenailed that crown vic and the rest was history. My breathing returned and I plotted my next move, which was creep back into Alcoa and avoid the po po at all cost.
When I do run I always do it after I make about a gazillion calculations in my head, and you do-gooders need not criticize me, you aren't perfect either so fuck off choir boys.
I never exceed what would be my normal backroad boogie pace. That is what I'm comfortable with, and is more than likely why I've drawn the attention of Johnny Law. I've also got to be relatively close to a safe hideout. A good friends house or shop, or my house is usually what I define as a hideout. If I have nowhere to really hide that instantly comes to mind I pull over and take my lumps. But if I do, and the bike has ample fuel,good rubber, etc. and I've got a decent jump on 'em, and am sure that my tag number is still a mystery, I roll. Still tons of things to factor in, and far too complicated to go into. But if I can do comfortably, and not have to put any others at risk by making crazy passes and whatnot, I roll out. If the cop chooses to persue me, that's his business I guess, and god forbid anything happen to him. It doesn't happen often, but it does, and it's something I started doing in cages when I was a teenager. Proud about it?.................... nope. Honest about it?.................................... yep.
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posted December 05, 2005 09:52 AM
Ninjaman......... I do the same thing as you. A ton of things have to line up before I decide to check out. If anyone of them don't I'll take my lumps a well. The best way to keep from this happening is to have the same check list BEFORE you get into trouble in the first place. Before I ever totally blister a road it has to meet certain standards or else I wait for one that does. The single largest standard is IT usually must be a road I KNOW WELL, Or at the very least have a great line of sight and very clear shoulders.
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posted December 05, 2005 10:36 AM
I agree Rick. He let yo ugo cause you stopped, he wanted the real criminals, Mike and Roger. LOL (By the way Roger called me last night, out of the blue. It was great talking to him, he is a go for May by the way) I ran a few times when I lived down in Ohio, pre child days, but I knew the roads and I had also gone through the million calculations in my head in a split second before pulling the trigger. There isn't a chance in hell I'd run if I didn't know the roads. Yes, that cop did put all those Harley's at risk, those same Harley's that we blew by at 120+ on 360 20 minutes before. Damn that was hilarious too. I most certainly wouldn't get down on someone because they choose to run, it's a free country, if you want to break the law, go ahead, just be prepared for the consequencse if you get caught. Simple enough.
As to this fella getting 30 years for the death of the office. My brain just can't around that kind of time. Doesn't seem right to me, I mean if the chased guy was in a car that rammed a cop or pushed him off the road and because of that the officer died, I could understand and even applaud 30 years, but not in this circumstance.
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posted December 05, 2005 10:43 AM
And Gunner, last May when Harry and Rick and I were doing a very mellow 90mph on a 4 lane I noticed Rick had dropped back and turned off and Harry went zipping past me. Little did I know that a cop was approaching very fast and in an instant was on my ass. I pulled over right away into the median and he pulls up next to me and said "GET IN THE CAR!" I said excuse me, and he said give me your key. So I hand him my key and he floors it to go after Harry. So here I am sitting on my bike waiting to see what happens next questioning my giving him my key when about 10 mintues goes by and here he comes back from the way he went with Harry riding behind him. They both pull up and the Cop asks me who my friend was that pulled off before. I say, I don't know he just hooked up with us a few miles back, he says Yeah right, well it doesn't matter, we'll get him we have chopper in the air. Well, they did get Rick too. Good thing was that Rick knew how to put the good ol' hillbilly plea on the cop and we got a break, well instead of 90 in a 55 we only got 70 in a 55. So while I didn't rat out my brother, he got busted anyway.
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posted December 05, 2005 10:52 AM
Damn!!!!!!!!!!! Lesson learned here is Keep a fake key stuck to the underside of the top tree!!!
Sure thing officer here's my key
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posted December 05, 2005 11:15 AM
I KNOW!!! I was sitting there thinking I must be some kind of dumbass to give that guy my key, but if I refused the alternative probably would have been him putting me in the backseat in shackles. The other "what if" is, what if I did have a spare key handy and I left, what if they found me again? What kind of shit would I have been in then??? Who knows.
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posted December 05, 2005 11:30 AM
Edited By: Ninjaman12R on 5 Dec 2005 11:35
Yeah the suns a biatches did get me, I'd have been toast if I'd been a selfish motherfucker. I saw the bastard, nobody else did. I knew he had to go a little ways before he could cross back to our side (4 lanes) because of the concrete divider. So I pull the mother of all braking moves and take a right because I had a huge jump. Harry could't get all his tonnage healed down quick enough so he had to blow on by the road. I go a couple miles and I get to worrying about the whole deal, wondering If Chris and Harry turned around wondering WTF was up with me and drove right into the hands of the Fuzz. Plus I knew I was breaking one of my conditions to run because I did not have a clue as to where I'm at. I'd never ridden that far down 28, much less knew where this fuckin' goat path I was on led to. So I pull into this church parking lot, a small country church with a lot of trees around the lot. I pull up into the shade wondering what the hell to do.
I decide I should go back, and remember saying to myself "There better not be a fuckin' cop waitin' for me out at 28. Also, I heard a chopper but thought to myself , no way, it couldn't be.
WRONG, a few curves back towards 28 brought me face to face with a NC State Trooper who had his hand out the window motioning for me to stop. I hoisted a mondo fucking wheelie and in a cloud of tire smoke I was gone................................................
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I stopped at his window and he asked me what I was doing. I told him I was doubling back to see what happened to the guys I was riding with. (truth) I told him we were just out scouting roads to ride and I was gonna give this one a go, but I lost touch with my buds. (complete horseshit) He tells me to give him my license, and to follow him, and that they had my friends a couple miles up the road.  Well I knew I was toast. So we go to the spot where Chris and Harry are, and this other trooper is in the process of running their license. Things aren't looking good at all. Then some cocksmoker in a Suburban with Government plates pulls up and they're all handshakin', thumbs up and that kinda shit. Again, it don't look good for the homies. I can see we are in a desperate situation that required action. I've always been told I had a knack for cutting to the chase, and putting my cards on the table. It has worked for me in the past, and the Ulery experience was still in my mind. I knew none of us needed this crap. Especially Chris and I with our fucked up driving records.
So instead of just doing nothing, I went to the window of the cruiser and pleaded OUR case. The trooper instantly asked my why I was going to evade, and why I lied to the other trooper? Honest Injun, I told him simply "Because I didn't want a ticket". He looked a little puzzled at my reply. So when I saw this reaction I went with my gut feeling and told him that I knew we were speeding, but there was not a car in sight on our side of the road, we were all just enjoying a great ride and a beautiful sunny day. I told him that we weren't out to piss anyone off, and I knew that he had to ticket us. I then told him I'd appreciate it if he'd look at it from our point of view as vacationers that frequent the area, and possibly find it in his heart to cut us a little slack. Because if I remember correctly the initial ticket was going to require us go to court??? Anyway, that's where I left it, and then let the man do his job.
When he got out of the cruiser he came up to us and said, "Well boys, per your attorney over there I've cut you guys a break", then told us what he wrote us up for. It ended up costing us each $125, which was far better than what we were about to get.
Harry still owes me a salad tossin' for my legal fees. Chris manned up and took it like a big girl later that night at the cabin. He said afterwards that he'd have rather went to jail. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted December 05, 2005 11:47 AM
...man, you guys are the sportbikin' version of the "Dukes of Hazard"...good story...too funny
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posted December 05, 2005 11:50 AM
LMAO YOU CRAZY FUCK!!! Damn. You did a good job with that officer though junior, you must have cleaned him up real nice. Harry and I were wondering why you jumped into the backseat with him and asked his patrol buddy to get in too. Now we know. LOL
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posted December 05, 2005 11:59 AM
Question??????? How did Harry get caught? He should have been long gone I would think.
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posted December 05, 2005 12:03 PM
Well, we didn't know this road we were on. It was 28 then turned into a 4 lane and I pulled over right when it went back down to 2 lanes. Harry told me flew for another mile or two and then there was a stop light and a small town. He had no idea where he was and the trooper caught up to him in this town.
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posted December 05, 2005 12:06 PM
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...man, you guys are the sportbikin' version of the "Dukes of Hazard"...good story...too funny
Yeah, Rick does pass for a good Cleatus doesn't he. Shit that MF calls my office sometimes and asks for me and when my secretary asks who's calling, he'll say Cleatus. I'm not kidding either. Funny MF he is.
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posted December 05, 2005 12:07 PM
Then again I'm sure ol' Bo and Luke Duck would have handled the bear a bit better than us too. Shit we ran like hell back to the porch when that fucker stood up to me. Then again only a fool wouldn't have run seeing that shit.
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posted December 05, 2005 12:25 PM
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...man, you guys are the sportbikin' version of the "Dukes of Hazard"...good story...too funny
Yeah, Rick does pass for a good Cleatus doesn't he. Shit that MF calls my office sometimes and asks for me and when my secretary asks who's calling, he'll say Cleatus. I'm not kidding either. Funny MF he is.
...uh...you mean Clitus, huh?....man, its a good thing I'm way the faaaaak over on the west coast, huh?....wouldn't look too good going to work all busted up 'n shit
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posted December 05, 2005 12:40 PM
You fuckers ain't right!!!!!!!!!
Chris, I can't believe you'd cap on a brother for HELPING you. Dude that's harsh, and inappropriate IMHO.............. LOL
Even though that trooper lives in NORTH Carolina, he 'preciated the fact that I shot him straight, and left him alone. He could also tell that I genuinely meant what I said.
Chris, I have used some FUCKED UP names when calling your office!!! I think I'll use Belvedere Cleotis McFarlandingstenton to the 3rd power the next time. Try repeating that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted December 05, 2005 12:50 PM
You know I appreciate your getting us a break on that deal Rick. Belvedere? LOL Crazy redneck.
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posted December 05, 2005 01:03 PM
Yeah I know Chris, just messin' with ya, and it's Belvedere Cleotis ya fuckstick!!!!!!!!
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