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posted March 01, 2002 11:02 PM
tsukigi exhaust?
anyone using this system on a 12r? looking for feed back.
  
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ZXtra
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posted March 01, 2002 11:58 PM
Da link...
http://www.tsukigi.com
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EastBayDave
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posted March 02, 2002 08:21 AM
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anyone using this system on a 12r? looking for feed back.
using one on my ZRX1100 if it matters....
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Engage
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posted March 02, 2002 11:04 AM
 Edited By: Engage on 2 Mar 2002 11:05
Well EBD how about numbers, quality, etc??? Do you like it? Howz it rate compared to others? They look good in pictures!
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EastBayDave
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posted March 02, 2002 01:01 PM
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Well EBD how about numbers, quality, etc??? Do you like it? Howz it rate compared to others? They look good in pictures!
Oh I love the pipe! It's beautifully made w/the best welding I've seen on ANY pipe, ever. I tested it vs. the Muzzys which I like a lot too, but the Muzzys is a much better deal price wise. It made 135HP & 80 ft. lbs. on the dyno (my ZRX has the "Stage III" kit, pipe/pods/jet kit/ZX11 cams/etc. This figure was approximately the same HP/Torque as Muzzys (1hp/1 ft. lb. diff./ could have been conditions.)
On both pipes I tested both available baffles: Muzzys "Quiet" & "Race" baffles. Tsukigi's 93db "Street" baffle & 103db "Competition" baffle. On the quiet cans the hp was ~126/128, & with the loud cans, ~134-135. About the same difference w/both. So consistency is there...
MY conclusions after ~40 dyno runs & 52 jetting changes (rookie dyno operator) going cautiously one step a time, the horsepower & torque was approximately the same. Less than one HP difference on most runs & the difference could have been conditions. Maybe a slight edge to the Tsukigi, but its so slight I'd narrow it down to your personal preference for looks, tone/loudness, customer service, or economic situation. The Muzzys is MUCH cheaper, the Tsukigi is -slightly- quieter both baffles if you like stealth mode.
The reason we did so many runs is we were trying different combinations of both Factory Pro & Dynojet jet kits. There was some confusion initially on the DJ kits as their main jet numbering system differs from Kehin's. We had to physically measure with a Mikuni dowel "measuring kit" to figure this out. Probably made at least 10 extra runs before this issue was discovered & solved.
I think the quality of workmanship might lean to the Tsukigi, after all it is much more expensive. The Tsukigi is a hand made system with careful attention to the welds. It's VERY pretty if you care about that sort of thing. If you don't (it is under the fairing for the most part), the slightly (in my opinion) "shoddy" welds of the Muzzys be ok with most. Don't get me wrong here, I'm a Muzzys fan, & the price is certainly right, & Muzzys customer service is well renown. Heck Doug even hangs out here on this site! Do any of the others do that? Not many & I'm one who likes to reward good customer service with my business.
I've had a set of canister springs on order from Tsukigi for over a year now. Three phone calls & numerous e-mails to both the USA distributor & the Tsukigi Japan home office have received promises of "on Back Order, but shipping soon" (last July), & still nothing has come in. Luckily I safety wired them on as they tend to go "boing" & abandon ship when coming down hard from wheelies.
This lack of customer service in my personal opinion has soured what was once a great relationship I had with the former USA distributor (Bandit Racing out of LA), & has soured my opinion of Tsukigi. I think they make SOME of the greatest quality parts for Kawasaki's in the world. However the continuing lack of customer service overshadows that for me. The extra expense might be enough to blow them out of the water permanently for me. I mean how hard is it to drop a couple of springs in a envelope & mail them from Japan? 
FWIW, the choice is yours...
Dave
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ROCKET J
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posted March 02, 2002 02:42 PM
Bandit Racing?
EBD, you mean the kart people?
Rocket
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Engage
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posted March 02, 2002 05:07 PM
Thanks for input EBD!!!
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EastBayDave
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posted March 02, 2002 06:22 PM
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EBD, you mean the kart people?
Rocket
No, Bandit Racing runs rider David Ortega (MEX) in the AMA 750SS series, on this years GSXR750's. I think he's doing 600's too this year; but I don't recall as I don't follow the series that closely except when at Nationals watching.
David typically finishes in the top ten w/Bandit Racing's "Poncho" doing the Team Management & tuning. I'm not sure, but think they finished 6th in the AMA 750SS Championship last year.
Bandit Racing was the distributor for Tsukigi products in the USA from 99' until end of 00', when Tsukigi took it in house for 2001'. Bandit Racing no longer is associated with Tsukigi. The new distributor I hear good things about on the ZRX web site, but they have obviously not taken care of me. Why I have no idea...
Again, I still really like Tsukigi products; they are some of the best available for Kawasaki motorcycles. I normally would not get on the web & complain about anyone in the industry as I don't like burning bridges.
However the continuing lack of support in my specific (what should be a minor) issue is turning me away from supporting them, which I have heavily done over the last few years. The ball is now in their court, we will see what happens. I can always buy replacement parts from competitors...
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Claude
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posted March 03, 2002 04:29 AM
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On both pipes I tested both available baffles: Muzzys "Quiet" & "Race" baffles. Tsukigi's 93db "Street" baffle & 103db "Competition" baffle. On the quiet cans the hp was ~126/128, & with the loud cans, ~134-135. About the same difference w/both. So consistency is there...
Dave
Dave, I just want to be sure I am perfectly undestanding. If a ZX11 have a regular Muzzy (race baffle) and the owner decide to install Muzzy's "quiet core" to lower noise level, max power output would drop by about 8 HP?
From the dyno charts, do you know if the midrange improved with the quieter baffle? Thanks a lot!
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EastBayDave
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posted March 07, 2002 07:44 AM
Edited By: EastBayDave on 7 Mar 2002 08:05
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On both pipes I tested both available baffles: Muzzys "Quiet" & "Race" baffles. Tsukigi's 93db "Street" baffle & 103db "Competition" baffle. On the quiet cans the hp was ~126/128, & with the loud cans, ~134-135. About the same difference w/both. So consistency is there...
Dave
Dave, I just want to be sure I am perfectly undestanding. If a ZX11 have a regular Muzzy (race baffle) and the owner decide to install Muzzy's "quiet core" to lower noise level, max power output would drop by about 8 HP?
From the dyno charts, do you know if the midrange improved with the quieter baffle? Thanks a lot!
I can't comment on the ZX11. My testing was on a 99' ZRX1100 w/"Stage III" kit. Yes, the 8HP drop was consistent going to the "quiet" baffles on either brand pipe on this specific bike. I don't have the dyno run pages here (in my tuners hands), but the installation of the ZX11 cams to the ZRX11 (mild cammed stock) raised the torque curve TO ~80.1 ft. lbs. PEAK reading.
I seem to recall it dropped to ~77ft. lbs. or so with the quiet baffle, but need to see the charts to confirm. We did this in the summer of 99', so my memory of the ~50 or so dyno runs is a bit blurred, but the peak numbers burned a hole in my brain. The thing hauls the mail... wheelie machine galore! 
FYI, the Muzzys dyno charts on the ZRX are pretty elaborate; & proved ~the same as I got during my dyno tests. Link:
http://www.muzzys.com/zrxdyno/index.html
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