aliveagain
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posted August 20, 2005 01:48 AM
cam degreeing
How long should it take to set up and degree the cams on a 12?I'm just looking to see how far I'll get whacked.When I dropped off my bike,the cams were sitting unbolted in the head.
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Ra12r
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posted August 20, 2005 06:50 AM
1 day
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posted August 20, 2005 01:01 PM
I do not think it can be done with the engine in the Frame. Just no room for the Dial Indicator
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posted August 20, 2005 01:19 PM
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I do not think it can be done with the engine in the Frame. Just no room for the Dial Indicator
I've done mine with the motor in the frame several times. It can be done.
I have the kit that Mad Mike sells. Works great. (some advertising for you Mike  )
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osti33
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posted August 20, 2005 01:20 PM
Oh yeah, to answer AA's question...One day should be plenty of time.
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aliveagain
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posted August 20, 2005 06:14 PM
this one day to degree the cams,is that with all the body work off already and disassembled?I didn't know it was that involved.This and taking apart the forks are the only things I've never done.
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posted August 21, 2005 01:22 PM
The actual process is not one day, but at a shop that is the reasonable time to have your motor, if they get started in the morning. If the motor is in the frame then all bets are off and you are looking at several days of shop time. If you have never done it before, it will take you awhile, and will be quite difficult in the frame.
I also have Mike's kit. It is complete and a good product.
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posted August 21, 2005 01:59 PM
Thanx guys,I sent madmike an email to see if he has any.
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posted August 21, 2005 05:43 PM
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I do not think it can be done with the engine in the Frame. Just no room for the Dial Indicator
I've done mine with the motor in the frame several times. It can be done.
I have the kit that Mad Mike sells. Works great. (some advertising for you Mike )
What kit does mm have? If its a cam degreeing kit for motorcycles then I have one but if it make degreeing cams on a 12 a little easier with the motor still in the frame then I need it if not, I have degreed cams on a 12 with the motor in place. 6hrs tops
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posted August 22, 2005 07:06 AM
I am with KzZ1. There is so little space to set up a dial indicator which is the #1 Problem
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posted August 22, 2005 10:32 AM
Done mine a three times IN ONE DAY out on the salt.........
You just gotta make some small gizmos
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posted August 22, 2005 12:15 PM
It sucks!!! I have added 1 little gizmo, to help with the Dial, and you have to remember to bend the end of the brass plunger 90deg. at the tip. that way you can get on the bucket easily. either way it still sucks!
just getting ready to do one tonight or tomorrow.
Oh I can answer emails tonight. been way busy!!!
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posted August 22, 2005 02:07 PM
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It sucks!!! I have added 1 little gizmo, to help with the Dial, and you have to remember to bend the end of the brass plunger 90deg. at the tip. that way you can get on the bucket easily. either way it still sucks!
just getting ready to do one tonight or tomorrow.
Oh I can answer emails tonight. been way busy!!!
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posted August 22, 2005 02:48 PM
did Karl's many times on the dyno. you just have to have the right stuff,
but it is a pain in the arse
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posted August 22, 2005 04:23 PM
I will take a photo of my Kit and post it tonight!
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posted August 23, 2005 04:04 AM
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I will take a photo of my Kit and post it tonight!
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posted August 23, 2005 04:06 AM
I have done a couple on the bike ...Just had to make something to get it to work but like they say itz still a pain. I don't think they could have come up with anything worst than the 12's frame being the air box.
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posted August 23, 2005 05:17 AM
Happy to have gotten the bike back,$200 cams degreed in the frame.Now it won't fire.I have spark and fuel.Time to go thru the whole bike and see if I forgot any connectors.I'm getting this strange idea I'm not supposed to be riding this year.
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posted August 23, 2005 08:08 AM
Cams degreed to what #'s??
Are you going to re-map it?
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posted August 23, 2005 10:20 AM
Make sure you have a fully charged battery.
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posted August 23, 2005 10:39 AM
Check your compression. I had my intake cam off one tooth and it had 60psi in each hole...oops. It won't run like that.
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posted August 23, 2005 04:35 PM
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posted August 24, 2005 05:22 AM
the cams were degreed 105/102 I believe and it has also been mapped.I don't know the compression but I certainly can feel it when I turn the motor over manually.
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posted August 24, 2005 08:30 PM
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osti33
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posted August 24, 2005 09:46 PM
Edited By: osti33 on 24 Aug 2005 22:48
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the cams were degreed 105/102 I believe and it has also been mapped.I don't know the compression but I certainly can feel it when I turn the motor over manually.
Why would you degree them at 105/102? Stock I think is 104/102. I'm not trying to be a smart ass. Just a little curious why you would pick those numbers...
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