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posted August 17, 2005 02:10 PM
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Oh we pay income tax for sure! and we pay 16% sales tax on everything and vehicle tax bla bla bla this country is tax frenzy
I understand what you are saying. If you don't mind me asking...what percent of your income goes to federal income tax? I think the average here in the states is about 25(i don't remember the exact number) percent. I must have been misinformed or maybe I misunderstood. When I was in Paris visiting customers I thought one of the guys told me they didn't pay any kind of federal income tax in Europe. I'm so confused... 
We also pay sales and vehicle tax here as well.
  
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posted August 17, 2005 02:11 PM
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posted August 17, 2005 02:21 PM
my boeing burns 8000 lbs (a little over 1100 gallons give or take depending on the grade) in about 3 hours...thanks for the chuckle ra
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posted August 17, 2005 03:56 PM
Well Ra is fucking crazy, not much you can do at this point, except hope he doesn't go off somewhere with a gun and kill a bunch of people.
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posted August 17, 2005 05:57 PM
Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 17 Aug 2005 19:02
I dont normally make a post like this. But...
8000 pounds of fuel in a 747 for a flight across the ocean?
You have no clue what you are talking about. None at all. Not one little bit.
You are not even close. You pulled that out of your ass.
You must think people are stupid.
I just cant believe you would come on here and say these things in a public forum knowing everyone will read them and know you are full of shit.
Have some self respect. please
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posted August 17, 2005 11:04 PM
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Oh we pay income tax for sure! and we pay 16% sales tax on everything and vehicle tax bla bla bla this country is tax frenzy
I understand what you are saying. If you don't mind me asking...what percent of your income goes to federal income tax? I think the average here in the states is about 25(i don't remember the exact number) percent. I must have been misinformed or maybe I misunderstood. When I was in Paris visiting customers I thought one of the guys told me they didn't pay any kind of federal income tax in Europe. I'm so confused...
We also pay sales and vehicle tax here as well.
Similar here, minimum is about 23% but can go up to 60+% for rich people....that's how we have a social state, all pay in and get benefits from it, at least that's what its said to be like but often it doesn't reall happen....
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posted August 18, 2005 04:26 AM
Duh, I know the numbers are off, but that is the point!!! The real numbers make it even MORE OBSURD. We had a tanker trunk accident that burned longer than that fire!!! It is amazing that I am crazy, but everyone on here looks at that picture and sees a jet crash!?
YCIS, If you don't want to deal with what is happening around us, that is fine. But, to CONSTANTLY change the subject and dilute the issue through "personal" attacks is unneccessary. Whether you like what I say, or the way that I say it is irrevolent at this point and these many years. However, everyone coming on here and holding hands and singing "coom bi ya" does not help or contribute to anything. If there is crap going on regarding parts for sale or performance tips, then it should be mentioned. If the crap is about the gasoline and economy or a war we started in 1991 then say it. People, friends and family are DYING from OUR COUNTRY everyday!!!!!!!! (maybe I am imagining the death) Yet here at home our civil liberty's and economic power is being attacked by our elected officials. What are they REALLY dying for that is the hardest question that can be ask. Because we are being told that they are invading and fighting and dying because of the plane in the picture...........
I guess I am truly @#!@# crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted August 18, 2005 05:19 AM
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$3.15 Tony? Where the hell was that? Damn I thought I had it bad paying $3.05 out in Novi yesterday.
Slug and Terrence you two are way to intelligent to get baited by that Ra fella, he obviously hasn't dropped the crack pip ein years. Please don't waste your brain power.
10 and Greenfield. I was Pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted August 18, 2005 05:57 AM
Ra suffers an effect known as confirmatory bias in psychology. Confirmatory bias is a tendency to hear what we want to hear and disregard the rest.
When Yankee and Red Sox fans watch replays of the same disputed umpire's ruling, for example, they both come away more convinced that their team was in the right.
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posted August 18, 2005 07:42 AM
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YCIS, If you don't want to deal with what is happening around us, that is fine. But, to CONSTANTLY change the subject and dilute the issue through "personal" attacks is unneccessary.
Im not quite sure where you get any "personal attack" from my reply.
I merely pointed out that within the first 10 seconds of reading your "informed" post...it was obvious you had no clue...but instead were regurgitating something you read off a website somewhere. With that...it was obvious the post had little or no meaningful information worth my continued reading.
And most others who replied later that did read it in its entirety seem to have reinforced my original hypothesis.
So..go me 
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posted August 18, 2005 08:33 AM
it always is a personal attack if you disagree with him YCIS, didn't you know that already?
the proofs for that pentagon crash 'not' being a plane were funny, as there were falsified photos littered throughout that "proof"
streetsigns that are from other cities, photos from totally different buildings, etc etc.
this is why it pays to do more homework than just reading the page that submits its opinion and proof from unsubstantiated sources.
reading through the 'proofs' on that site are funny, as all they do is pose questions with no real concrete answers to their questions. Did pentagon release all photos from inside of the building? you better beleive they did NOT. Nor do i want them to, as it gives away many things that are done to help protect the bulding from damage.
That so much damage was done is a testament to how much energy was released at once. All of that fuel, it indeed burned off. once it was gone, nothing was left that was flammable, which is why it went out so "quickly". The videos shown are so bad that there is not enough resolution to even comment on. Assumptions are made based on crap video. The framerate was not nearly fast enough to capture enough data to be reasonably useful, because the plane was in view of the camera for MUCH less time than the CTs want you to think.
(CT = Conspiracy Theorists)
The level of the illegal coverup required to hide a shot down loaded passenger jet, and the secrecy required, defy all logic and all realistic expectations on maintaining a 0 leakage rate of information.
 
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posted August 19, 2005 08:33 AM
When it's $5 a gallon next year, they'll roll it back to $3.50 or so, and people will think they're gettin a favor. They saw this when it was going between $1-$1.75. Playing us like the dumbies we are.
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posted August 19, 2005 09:23 AM
uncap some of the wells here in tennessee and up OUR production. put up another refinery that will do the heacy crude, instead of relying on light crude.
drive fewer miles... (if we aren't using it, the price will drop as demand goes below supply)
this is why prices will drop again later this fall...
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posted August 20, 2005 07:08 AM
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it always is a personal attack if you disagree with him YCIS, didn't you know that already?
Disagreeing is not personal Slug, but name calling is. To discuss perspectives and issues NEVER requires the minimizing of the opinion through the attempt to tarnish credibility by name calling. YOU and YCIS need to work on this personality deficit.
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posted August 20, 2005 10:59 AM
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it always is a personal attack if you disagree with him YCIS, didn't you know that already?
Disagreeing is not personal Slug, but name calling is. To discuss perspectives and issues NEVER requires the minimizing of the opinion through the attempt to tarnish credibility by name calling. YOU and YCIS need to work on this personality deficit.
And just like all your other replies in this thread....your statement lacks fact..or substance.
Point out where I called you anything.
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posted August 20, 2005 12:56 PM
YCIS, I don't feel like posting links at this time to prove what is not a secret.
Secondly, please explain then why you feel that the "debris" in the red box is an entire airplane that was had people on board. Please, include how the location of the debris relates to the speed of the "plane" as it impacted the side of the building. Also, balance that with the debris field of the planes that hit the ground and burn ie: the pensylvania crash. Please explain why the grass or ground doesn't show any gouge marks...........
I didn't go to the web site just so you know. I am simply looking at the picture posted. Thanks
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posted August 20, 2005 07:11 PM
i too would like, even in this thread, you to show ANY place i made a "personal" attack, other than saying you're wrong...
we had this argument a year ago, and it got nowhere because your 'proofs' are garbage, yet you accept them as the gospel truth anyway.
ever wonder why ANYTHING in a miserable situation ends up as weird as it does?
Kato shouldn't have died from that simple crash, but he's still dead. Freakish things happen to materials and equipment when you apply huge amounts of stress to it in a short interval of time.
If you want to believe that a missile was shot into the pentagon we're not stopping you. continue, and enjoy. But you haev not once EVER provided any sort of reasonable explanation of where the plane and passengers went to. NOR can you since a reasonable explanation does not exist. There is no way that shooting down 4 planes and hiding the debris and flash and evereything else can be kept secret by the incredible amount of people that would have to be "in" on the gig to pull it off.
As badly as the media despises the very continued breathing of GW Bush, they would have to be in on the hoax too.
The secrecy required, and the public nature of the events, defies ANY reasonable means of pulling off such a stunt. The number of people that would have to be part of it, AND remain loyal to the president after these years, is too large to even consider as viable.
Please, again, show me the personal attacks in this thread, and "i don't feel like looking" is just a copout.
put up or shut up. enough is enough.
my minimizing of your opinion is from reasoned thought, common sense, and application of both. my minimizing of your point of view comes by researching the so-called "proof" for your POV, and finding it to be falsified in many cases and grossly inadequate all the way around. But identifying this is pointless, as it becomes a "personal" attack regardless of the information used to contradict your viewpoint.
Hence the sarcastic remark to YCIS regarding his personal attack of you.....
granted i forget often that sarcasm is not easily discerned on an internet text forum....
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posted August 21, 2005 01:15 PM
Slug, first off I do agree that sarcasms is not easily discerned on an internet text forum.
Second, my proofs are not garbage. The questions that i do often post are actual questions, that VERY RARELY even gets addressed, besides answered. Saying that a plane crash at the pentagon is more unlikely than likely based on the physical evidence carries more credibility than saying a flash flame melted the whole HUGE plane as it hit the building. Yet, WITHOUT proof for your opinion based on media stories, you feel that I am crazy for not seeing a plane or the EVIDENCE of a plane crash. The plane that hit the ground in pensylvania burned and had a debris field as EVERY, EVERY, EVERY crash does!!! You asked where are the people??? I say, since when has the individual citizen life had value to the government vs power or money?!?!
This however, is not a comfortable topic for anyone as the circumstances around the event open and secret is negative for all. You ask, how could all this remain a coverup if in fact hands are dirty??.......... well just look at YOUR government in action with the Syphilis experiments in alabama. Surely your are not going to call me crazy about that too?!
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posted August 21, 2005 01:32 PM
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YCIS, I don't feel like posting links at this time to prove what is not a secret
Such is the typical response from someone who has just been proven wrong.
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posted August 21, 2005 01:52 PM
the facts are this: the sites you provided last year were full of falsified proofs. period, that's not a credible source at all if they have to fake half the pictures (like the 'pentagon' picture with FDNY firefighters and equipment)
so, i say they are garbage.
i know too well what kind of crap the government does, but you cannot say for a minute that every single person in the government is corrupt, unless you are truly beyond even psychotic paranoia.
like i said before, every bit of energy was expended in one short period of time, throughout all 5 layers of HEAVILY built buildings. there was no debris trail because it was airborne when it hit the building... (why no complaints about no debris field at the WTC site?)
every every every every crash is NOT into the side of one of the more heavily fortified buildings in existance...
you are right though, i only have what the media showed to go by. but if you ar relying on the same sites you used last year for YOUR viewpoint, you need to try to figure out 2 thigns before peddling that as gospel truth
1. Why would the media, who hates Bush and the whole republican presence in DC with a deadly passion, CONTINUE to cover up for that administration?
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2. Where did that other plane go?
PLEASE answer a few questions yourself instead of the constant evasion and fingerpointing and screams of "personal attacks". these are the same 2 questions i asked above, andyou refuse to answer, instead diverting the discussion to rhetoric.
you have never ONCE effectively answered ANY question i have leveled at you about ANY topic of discussion. Instead EVERY time has been evasion and subject changing.
this is why it is a waste of time to express any opinion by anyone on this site that is counter to yours. Because once pinned with questions, it becomes a "namecalling" fingerpointing question....like so....
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YCIS, If you don't want to deal with what is happening around us, that is fine. But, to CONSTANTLY change the subject and dilute the issue through "personal" attacks is unneccessary.
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YOU and YCIS need to work on this personality deficit.
like was asked before put up or shut up, it's that easy. answer the 2 questions above and support your theory, or not. it's pretty simple.
PS if this was a war for oil, we coulda just wheeled & dealed with kofi anan's son and hussein like france and germany were doing...
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posted August 21, 2005 04:22 PM
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posted August 21, 2005 06:55 PM
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posted August 21, 2005 08:07 PM
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I truly doubt -- not only doubt, but frankly believe it's not so -- that intelligence is the issue here. Ra has no lack of this. Rather it is the viewpoint with which one chooses, on whatever basis or even subconsciously, to view the world.
Now, that does not mean that all viewpoints are equally valid. Some are complete nonsense, and some are useful and accurate.
However, in many cases people will believe a given thing because, due to their viewpoint, they are more comfortable, happier, more satisfied, more fulfilled... SOMETHING... from believing it, and therefore do so despite the facts, not because of them. When this is strongly the case, then facts are of no efficacy in discussion of the matter.
IMO, an excellent example of this is choosing to believe that Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon and that instead the American military fired a missile into the Pentagon deliberately murdering all these people, and there was a massive kidnap/coverup/mass-murder scheme reaching from the highest levels of government all the way down to your local newspaper.
Many with Ra's position, however, would argue that those that have conluded that, instead of that, Al-Qaeda flew a jet -- specifically Flight 77 -- into the Pentagon and thus murdered these people, believe this out of being "stooges for 'Shrub' " or "bloodthirsy American war-mongering imperialists" or something. And that it is these people (those holding the generally-established position), not themselves, that are ignoring the facts.
Each can judge for themselves which assessment conforms with reality more closely. It really doesn't take debate to do that, in an instance as stark as this one and with the facts as readily available as they are.
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posted August 22, 2005 03:06 AM
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You guys have no reason to complain about the gas prices. Guess who' paying most 
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/
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posted August 22, 2005 04:59 AM
Slug, the only defense I can answer to the thrust of your last post is that I NEVER posted any links or recommended any links in this post or ANY post. I am sure that you are confusing me with someone else.
Second, if you are referencing that the picture posted in this thread is a fabrication, then just say that a little more clear. I didn't post that picture either only commented on the photo.
Thirdly, considering that it was probably a precision missle that hit the pentagon, who was killed in that attack? Because if you watch the TV footage, you will see that Defense Secretary Rumsfield was helping remove the injured at the site. The problem with this is that he is on the protected list as he is in line for the seccession for acting as president. If they thought it was an attack or anyone thought it was an attack, he would not have been walking around outside....
Fouthly, after reading back through the post of yourself and YCIS, I do not see any name calling attacks in THIS THREAD. So I apologize to Slug and YCIS. (oooh i hate posting that to YCIS! frown)
Fifth, I am personally dissappointed in my ability to get Y2KZX12 to a attitude perspective that has resulted in his last post. I can only say, that I have in the last 5 (FIVE) years NEVER seen a post that was not respectable until now. Exactly what am I a moron about.....The plane or the Syphilis or the value of life to men in power? Please be specific as you are quite clear about how you "feel about me", so please be clear as to why. Thanks (i can take "constructive" criticism) smile
Sixth,I have learned that "NAIVE" is the correct spelling.
Trenance, your last post was very well written and contains the root of most disagreement which are "different perspectives based on different information and experiences". We all can look at the same facts and draw different conclusion even though there is TRUTH present in the facts. My TRUTH about what is going on is obviously different on several issues from dyno's to plane crashes. But, there is still truth that exist as bikes survive but have a VERY SHORT life.
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