herk
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posted July 31, 2005 06:46 PM
Help with 9K RPM stuttering!!! please please
Fellas I'm pulling my hair out!
I've examined the battery cable leads
I've dismantled the fuel tank, drained it, blew it out. ( I did find the fuel filter in there, uh, what a stupid spot for that...)
I've removed the Powercommander PCIIIR - didn't change anything
I made 5 passes at the 1/4 mile strip
Pass #1 Bike was warmed up in the pits pretty good, idled up in staging, burnout box, full run, ran like poopy when I was in 4th gear about 6K rpms. Continued to fire like crap even sometimes as low as 3K rpms. Coming back on return road died momentarily 3 times when rolling into the throttle. Idling it sounded like a dead hole......sucks this was my only time trial due to ripping off the fuel tank and cleaning it.....
Pass #2 First time run since we pulled the tank off and cleaned it. Pushed the bike all the way up to burnout box, quickie burnout and seemingly good run. 10.58 at 140 MPH, I dunno, I was watching my opponet, seemed like there was a little hickup towards the end.
Pass #3 Same thing, spurts of engine shutdown - totally wouldn't go past 9K RPMs
Pass #4 added fuel, thinking low fuel was a problem, WRONG same thing.
Pass#5 Removed Power commander, checked batt connections. Same thing, this time I stayed in first gear, over and over checking the RPMS at which this kicked in - 9K every time and I did it about 6 times before it was time for the return road.
The other bike guys suggested it might be a boot around the spark plug? More bad fuel? I dunno, The FI light comes on so I guess I got a code in there somewhere.....
How do I check the codes?
What do you guys think it is?
BTW it's a RED :P 2000 A1 model
This all seemed to start after I splashed in come C14 VP fuel........don't lecture me on the C14, I now know it was stupid...  Did the fug up my injectors maybe??? I dunno, I'm gettin peeved. I live 25 miles from sturgis, the HD's are moving in for rally week, and I want to be in top form!
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onebadkawboy
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posted July 31, 2005 08:10 PM
Did you find water in the tank when you drained it ?
What fuel did you put back in it ?
Sounds fuel related to me.
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psycho1122
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posted August 01, 2005 10:18 AM
If you have an FI light, Something in the EFI went wrong.
Fuel related issues do not have any FI lights associated with them.
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Otis
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posted August 01, 2005 10:49 AM
Yep, psycho is right. If the FI light is coming on you've got bigger problems than fuel flow.
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Otis
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posted August 01, 2005 10:51 AM
Have you checked the plugs and ignition sticks? Check those next. Although I don't see that causing the FI light to come on either. You're best bet is to hope to hear from Red or Doug, they will sort you out.
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posted August 01, 2005 11:11 AM
When mine started the Stumble, I found that the Fuel pump was not operating full time. Then I bypasses it (Jumped the Relay 2 end wires and the bike ran fine. I checked the Codes and found a #45
There is a Yellow Wire with a female end in your tail section. Put something in there to ground it. Then turn on the ignition The first digit will be long blinks and the second one will be short. I had 4 long and 5 short. After testing, I found that my ECU was bad. I am waiting for a New one
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onebadkawboy
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posted August 01, 2005 12:14 PM
do you have an air shifter ?
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herk
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posted August 01, 2005 03:45 PM
 Edited By: herk on 1 Aug 2005 16:45
Thanks guys!
I'll check the codes and see what I've got. I keep thinking it's fuel.
Vincent, a ECU huh? How much $$$ do they go for?
did you test anything further to find the ECU was definetely the problem?
kawboy, no airshifter, no wimpy boy extentions. Just me, my 12R, and alot of people in the crowd coming up to me saying, "wow, that's pretty descent you're keeping up with those car tire'd bikes, that's thing is pretty damn fast!"
----wonder what it'll be like when it's running good 
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kzz1
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posted August 01, 2005 03:56 PM
I would'nt rule out spark plugs. I would change them.
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herk
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posted August 01, 2005 04:06 PM
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I would'nt rule out spark plugs. I would change them.
are they a bitch to change?
what tools?
what's the best plugs?
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herk
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posted August 01, 2005 04:08 PM
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Did you find water in the tank when you drained it ?
What fuel did you put back in it ?
Sounds fuel related to me.
Didn't see any water, it was real fun getting the fuel out of the tank........
87 octane, from another gas can that's all I had access to.
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matt sterbator
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posted August 01, 2005 04:19 PM
Edited By: matt sterbator on 1 Aug 2005 17:19
are they a bitch to change? If you've never done it, and the kleen air BS is still there, it can be
what tools? the little gimmick in your tool kit
what's the best plugs? Splitfires
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herk
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posted August 01, 2005 04:40 PM
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what's the best plugs? Splitfires
So, what's the part #??????
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posted August 01, 2005 04:51 PM
Hows it going Corey? :-)
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VincentHill
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posted August 01, 2005 05:09 PM
Edited By: VincentHill on 1 Aug 2005 18:10
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Thanks guys!
Vincent, a ECU huh? How much $$$ do they go for?
did you test anything further to find the ECU was definetely the problem?
Yes I sent the ECU to OldKawboy and he swapped them back and forth in his bike and the EXACT Same thing Happened! No fuel Pump. I have found that by connecting two wires in the Relay, the Pump works perfectly. $800 List and about $550 dealer and about $250 to $300 Used.
I am fairly sure that I ruined it myself when I mounted it vertically and wrapped tape all around it ti keep it from falling off. They get really warm and My thought is it over heated.
I would never use a SPit Fire!
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scooter trash
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posted August 01, 2005 05:16 PM
I have a new plug I am manufacturing called a "Quattro-Fire".
Its got 4 braided copper electrodes and you'll get 80 MPG and 2x the HP throughout the life of the plug.
I promise.
(your mileage may vary).
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herk
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posted August 01, 2005 05:32 PM
Hmmmmm, maybe it does get hot.....seems to run fine at night now that you mention it.....
Maybe I'll have to tape a cold pack to it
What Bosch plugs are people running?
What part number BOSCH, jokers, who'd run a splitfire ???!!!???
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posted August 01, 2005 05:38 PM
herk what you are describing could be a bad ground to your power commander it is exactly what i went through same drops in power and rpms. thought i was out of gas also.the only other thing i found to be suspicous was the fuel,my bike does not run good on race fuel.the only diffrence in what you descibe is the fi light .when mine came on it was due to the tps.it has always been a sensor when that light came on in my case. hope your in top form when the harleys come.
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matt sterbator
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posted August 01, 2005 07:07 PM
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what's the best plugs? Splitfires
:P
Seriously, just run the stock plugs. NGK CR9EKs
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scooter trash
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posted August 01, 2005 07:21 PM
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are they a bitch to change? If you've never done it, and the kleen air BS is still there, it can be
what tools? the little gimmick in your tool kit
what's the best plugs? Splitfires
So the SplitFire comment was a joke, or you are backing off and trying to regain some modicum of respect? LOL
Looked awful serious to me....
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herk
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posted August 01, 2005 07:38 PM
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Hows it going Corey? :-)
JET???
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herk
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posted August 02, 2005 03:28 PM
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Hows it going Corey? :-)
JET???
Scooter trash isn't JET, just for the record. But he does spank his monkey occassionally.
I'm going out to check codes......
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matt sterbator
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posted August 02, 2005 03:44 PM
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are they a bitch to change? If you've never done it, and the kleen air BS is still there, it can be
what tools? the little gimmick in your tool kit
what's the best plugs? Splitfires
So the SplitFire comment was a joke, or you are backing off and trying to regain some modicum of respect? LOL
Looked awful serious to me....
If I take a hit off my internet respect meter to get a laugh, no biggie 
Seemed like a silly question, so I gave it a silly answer
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scooter trash
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posted August 02, 2005 03:52 PM
LOL - I didn't even know they still made Split Fires.
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matt sterbator
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posted August 02, 2005 03:56 PM
me neither, it just sounded funny to say it, haha
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