Marcos Peguero
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posted March 23, 2005 04:26 AM
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I have a friend that is very interested in making a stand alone computer for the zx12, the computer he whants to isntall is capable of 16000rpm.
so he needs the ECU map for gasoline or ignition, so he could make the map base in order to start the bike and accelerate, the customer then can make the dyno map and get real power out of it.
Does anyone has done reverse eng, on this ECU.
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Marcos Peguero
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posted March 26, 2005 04:53 AM
No one has even a clue, where I can find this....
Think of the posibilities, to have an option of a fully programable computer!!!
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posted March 26, 2005 05:02 AM
 Edited By: psycho1122 on 26 Mar 2005 05:08
What For?!
What would you want to do that the Muzzy Box, Yosh Box or PCIIIR does not already perform?
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posted March 26, 2005 07:27 AM
MMS or DTA and it even wrks with boost
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posted March 26, 2005 08:29 AM
1- I heard that the muzzy box is not even made anymore
2- A yosh box or a PC3 is for amateurs like us to play, when you have a real full programable comp.
you can have multiple maps, trigered by several parameters, program each cilinder, change the rev limiter, you can do magic if you know what you are doing, real time program, imagine in a dyno and changing REAL to see the hp diference.
For me?
No, I dont have a dyno here in RD to take full advantage of that tech.
This kind of thing is like this, One person makes the jump and spends some money and develop "know how" maps, etc.
Then you will be all over this....
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posted March 26, 2005 01:27 PM
Muzzys is a DTA
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posted March 27, 2005 09:14 AM
Autronic sells systems too.
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psycho1122
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posted March 28, 2005 07:41 AM
There ya go!
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posted March 28, 2005 09:09 AM
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when you have a real full programable comp.
you can have multiple maps,
trigered by several parameters, program each cilinder,
change the rev limiter
uh... Marcus,,, ,sounds like the PC USB and it's plug in modules.... USB already allows individual control of each cylinder.. plug in module allows independent control of ignition advance and allows you to change the rev limit...
..... the product you are looking for already exists... all you have to do is go buy it.. save your friend a whole bunch of werk... Dynojet has already done it for him.
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Marcos Peguero
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posted March 28, 2005 12:22 PM
Change the rev limiter????
Are you shure
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posted March 28, 2005 03:38 PM
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Change the rev limiter????
Are you shure
Yes,
http://www.powercommander.com/buynowbike.shtml#
Look for the ignition module works with the USB power commander. Tune cyl, adjust rpm around $500. Was supposed to be out in March.
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posted March 28, 2005 09:16 PM
From powercommander.com quote:
"In addition, it features 'Rev E-tend'. The rev limit of the engine can now be increased without the need to make any modifications to the bikes' ECU."
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posted March 29, 2005 05:55 AM
quote:
From powercommander.com quote:
"In addition, it features 'Rev E-tend'. The rev limit of the engine can now be increased without the need to make any modifications to the bikes' ECU."
4-6 more weeks and $350.00, but I am worried about the revxtender ,it depends on how it is doing the extending,that it might not work with something else but as soon as I can get my hands on one I will know in less than 3 days if it would have this problem or not
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posted March 29, 2005 07:54 AM
Edited By: EastBayDave on 29 Mar 2005 07:55
How about a PC in the tail of a Z1000:
http://bike.owns.com/
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posted March 29, 2005 08:09 AM
I don't think 16000 rpm is realistic. Both of the MUZZY box's will let you map to 14000 or more. The new MUZZY box offers optional closed loop as well as data logging.
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posted March 29, 2005 08:58 AM
did the MMS get updated? Or by new do you just mean the regular MMS box?
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posted March 29, 2005 11:21 AM
As a personal note, if I whanted to build something radical, I would never go the PC3 USB and modules, I would go a stand alone full programable thing.
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posted March 29, 2005 12:32 PM
Marcos, Just like with what I do, everyone always wants to know Why? I have always answered Because I want to! Like Muzzy states, 16,000 rpms on that engine! That is a lot of piston speed and even 14,000 is not for daily use either. I hope that the Rods and crank are first rate when you try 16,000
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posted March 29, 2005 02:12 PM
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As a personal note, if I whanted to build something radical, I would never go the PC3 USB and modules, I would go a stand alone full programable thing.
AMEN!!!!! The cost of the PCIIIUSB and all the modules needed to fulfill the requirements of a Hi performance system is more than the aftermarket ECU.
Things like rev llimit aren't that big of a deal to me.... To rev much beyond 11,500 is taking chances. Sure bump it by 500 or 750 RPM's...but beyond that???? Scary....
What is a big deal is mapping for boost, or nitrous activation, wide band 02 sensor systems, individual cylinder maps for timing and fuel....and not having 5 modules modifying sensor values to the stock ECU to accomplish the goal.
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posted March 30, 2005 01:27 PM
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Marcos, Just like with what I do, everyone always wants to know Why? I have always answered Because I want to! Like Muzzy states, 16,000 rpms on that engine! That is a lot of piston speed and even 14,000 is not for daily use either. I hope that the Rods and crank are first rate when you try 16,000
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posted March 30, 2005 02:42 PM
Muzzys also has a new EFI Technoligies box with more features and a better price than the previous DTA/MMS unit. CAll Curt @ext 107 and bug him for info. Why waste your time on anything else. You could have what you want in a weekend.
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posted March 30, 2005 02:59 PM
We need a smiley for rubbing our hands together with glee over the previous posting......
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posted March 30, 2005 03:18 PM
Is it the same package as the old unit...just requiring some sort of firmware type upgrade?
or is it a whole separate item?
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posted March 30, 2005 06:19 PM
I hate being 1 step behind...lol
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Marcos Peguero
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posted March 31, 2005 06:38 AM
Vincent,
the rpm thing is the least of the advantages, more than 500rpm I would not go, even with a gun to my head.
But all the adjustments that a stand alone can provide is a wonderfull thing in a expert hand. I have seen my friend with cars with real time and its another dimension.
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