DaveInDaytona
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posted March 13, 2005 06:01 AM
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Dave, I like those ram air covers. Where did you buy them?
Hans - http://www.debotech.com/
Best stuff out there.
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posted March 13, 2005 09:30 AM
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Dave, I like those ram air covers. Where did you buy them?
Hans - http://www.debotech.com/
Best stuff out there.
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lietoome
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posted March 15, 2005 04:35 AM
the muzzy is too damn expensive for the same product. I've had experience with both Muzzy and the hyperpro. Bottom line, the hyperpro is at least $100 cheaper thant the Muzzy. the hypo kit comes in all black(relatively new, so you have to ask for it), and the turn knob adjustment is really nice when adjusting on the move with your gloves 24 clicks left to right, much better than turning the knob at the end of the muzzy. The install was simple on both, and with both internals made by hypro, its just a matter of taste. What you like, is what you will drop your money on. I would not have bought the hypro if it was offered only in the gold like the website shows. Me, i'll take the hyperpro. Bought mine thru hardracing.com for $540 shipped. Any questions, let me know. I feel like a dealer after all the drama I went thru with the dampers. not a lot of options on the 03/zx12....
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posted March 15, 2005 11:46 AM
Osti I had a set of those ram air covers on my Black and gold 02....they are first rate as Dave said......they really set off the look of the cockpit of the motorcycle....
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TurboBlew
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posted March 15, 2005 04:02 PM
Its not the "damper" you pay the $$ for.... its teh mounting brackets. I paid $550 for my Muzzy on my 02. It was worth every penny....and even more since I cant count the # of times its saved my ass.
You have the wrong perspective on the whole cost $$$. You spend thousands...... if not hundreds of thousands (maybe even millions) on vactions, education, family, friends,etc... for great memories.
Are you gonna quabble over <$100 price difference on the best helmets, leathers, etc? Seems retarded.
The hyperpro mount is a "cop out" imho. Im sure the RSC damper is nice..and if I kept my 02.. I would have upgraded to that style.
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the muzzy is too damn expensive for the same product. I've had experience with both Muzzy and the hyperpro. Bottom line, the hyperpro is at least $100 cheaper thant the Muzzy. the hypo kit comes in all black(relatively new, so you have to ask for it), and the turn knob adjustment is really nice when adjusting on the move with your gloves 24 clicks left to right, much better than turning the knob at the end of the muzzy. The install was simple on both, and with both internals made by hypro, its just a matter of taste. What you like, is what you will drop your money on. I would not have bought the hypro if it was offered only in the gold like the website shows. Me, i'll take the hyperpro. Bought mine thru hardracing.com for $540 shipped. Any questions, let me know. I feel like a dealer after all the drama I went thru with the dampers. not a lot of options on the 03/zx12....
VOzeraptor!!!! how goes?
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posted March 15, 2005 07:23 PM
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TB i know ya have the hook ups.. where ya find that Muzzy for 550.00.. HABU!!
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posted March 16, 2005 03:54 AM
Pretty sure I bought it at Spencer cycle.
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posted March 16, 2005 06:11 AM
10-4 sir....
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lietoome
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posted March 21, 2005 04:46 AM
I'm done talking about how good my hyperpro damper is. Dont get me wrong, it works flawlessly. This weekend, installed the new bmc filters and it was a nightmare getting the friggin' damper plate back on after the install. Holes didn't want to line up. Wound up screwing up the threads on the cheap ass die cast aluminum screws that kawi uses. and to top it off, i had to buy a tap and die set to clean the threads of the kit so i could get this thing back together for my saturday morning ride. after 2 hours of drama and a $35 dollar threadset to fix stuff, i was seriously wishing i had the Muzzy. this is the 3rd time i've had it off, i guess i moved a little to quickly trying to re install it and cross threaded....if it was a muzzy, i wouldn't have to take it off in the first place.....2 cents.
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posted March 21, 2005 05:37 AM
LIE... how much you paid for the HP?
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posted March 21, 2005 06:04 AM
I take my bike apart often to clean it and clean the filters and my hyperpro is 4 years old and never a problem, of course the bolts where replaced by new ones.
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posted March 25, 2005 05:36 AM
voz, $540 shipped. Hardracing.com.
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posted March 25, 2005 04:02 PM
lietoome,
Again, the damper unit sold with the Muzzy kit IS the hyperpro rate sensitive damper with the 24 click knob. It is the mount system that sets it apart. from all the others.
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posted March 25, 2005 05:05 PM
One more thing, the muzzys and hyperpro, if you pay 125 USD they rebuilt them, mine is 4 years old, the old style, not so many clicks, it can be very soft and very hard that you cannot turn the bike.
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psycho1122
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posted March 26, 2005 04:59 AM
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You dont need a steering damper!!!
Just lower the forks a 1/2 inch, set up the suspension good and your done!!!
You guys TOTALY missed this one...............................You could save yourself alot of time and money (unless you gotta have "BLING") 
Although I do not agree with the fork lowering solution (Affects High Speed Stability), with Proper set up, the 12 does not need a steering damper.
The best way to "quicken" steering and NOT affect high speed stability is to put a 3mm shim on top of the rear shock to give 6mm additional ride hight out back. This gives you @ 12 degrees of swing arm angle....... 
SWEEET!
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posted March 27, 2005 06:34 PM
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Dave, I like those ram air covers. Where did you buy them?
Hans - http://www.debotech.com/
Best stuff out there.
Wow. I've been looking and I saw some for $575 from ATech. How do the debotech compare, if you know?
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posted March 28, 2005 04:29 AM
Or you could get the Kennedy dog bones from shnitz and machine about an 1/8 off of the end and tap it about a 1/4 deeper and you can adjust the height from 1-10 mm ( also lower if you want to go drag racing). Works great! ALOT easier then pulling the shock. By the way love the Scotts!
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psycho1122
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posted March 28, 2005 07:38 AM
No need to "pull the shock" You just need to use the "tuning fork" style shims. Lift fuel tank, loosen nut, allow swing arm to drop, slide in shim from back side! Reverse and your done!
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posted March 28, 2005 09:22 AM
wrong...
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with Proper set up, the 12 does not need a steering damper.
You my friend, need to step away from the crackpipe. Why would you say such a stupid thing?
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posted March 28, 2005 10:45 AM
Ah, I understand now. Thats cool, I still like to do a little drag racing once in a while so the links work out great for me. I agree I have not had any issues with the bike when I bought it but now that I am getting used to it and riding it harder I can see having a damper for insurance. He said crackpipe! Thats funny. Hey Rick, You going to DG? Me, you, Rog, Harry, HDL, need to plan a weekend ride somewhere central located. We all live pretty close. Me and HDL are going to northern GA this weekend to play around T.W.O.. Still trying to talk Rog out of working. Me and Rog have been talking about going to west TN one weekend to try the roads. I work in Clarksville now and have heard there is some good riding. I will get in touch when we do.
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psycho1122
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posted March 28, 2005 06:48 PM
Nice try there!!!
Uh...No crackpipe here. Like I said, It's very simple....."My 2000, PROPERLY set up does not need (and never did) a damper."
I do EVERYTHING with this bike. Trackdays (don't even try to ridicule ability), Tight Arizona canyon roads, "The Crest" out in LA, Drag Racing, Traveled up to 196 mph during Top speed testing w/ Cycle World Magazine, 140 mph freeway wheelies, Reached speeds up to 160 mph through mountain pass curves up to Payson AZ and many other types of conditons that you would think that "could" cause some kind of "Woble". NEVER had any such issue or condition.
Mid corner bumps, frost upheaval, pavement to concrete transitions, touchdowns from "not so great wheelie attemps", and on and on....Nothing occurs that would warrent a damper.
Now, if you do something to the geometry of the bike that the chassis does not like (dropping the forks in the triple clamps for example) then you will surely want to look into such a device. However, like I stated earlier, there are easier and more effective ways to have a quicker steering 12 AND maintain Proper and Stable chassis geometry
Do you find any of this "Hard to Believe??" Well then.....I invite you to come on out and join some of us on these Thrilling Rides and adventures!
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posted March 28, 2005 07:09 PM
02's and later were not nearly as stable as the 00/01 model IMO
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posted March 28, 2005 07:19 PM
Edited By: matt sterbator on 28 Mar 2005 19:19
I never felt the absolute "need" for one, however, when lowered and strapped (forks tubes stock height in the clamp) the bike DID have some head shake. Then again, we're not talking about being properly set up for road racing, but being set up best for drag racing, on a budget, lol.
I got it just to be safe, and because certain activities require it (Maxton, NHRA competition). . The *bling* was just an added bonus 
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DaveInDaytona
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posted March 28, 2005 08:13 PM
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02's and later were not nearly as stable as the 00/01 model IMO
Yup.
My 2000 was stable enough without it. My '02 handles better but needs the damper to feel as solid as I would like it. I wouldn't want to run without it.
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posted March 30, 2005 02:47 PM
Psycho's right about the geometry, but anyone who says a damperner is unnecessary just hasn't needed one. The instant you find out that you need one, well trust me, you'll wish at that very moment that you already had it.
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