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posted February 24, 2005 11:31 PM
Is it considered a sin to wheelie??
I peruse a lot of forums. I found a Christian-related forum where this same question was asked. Is it considered a sin to wheelie?
One response was:
The act itself is not sin.
However, the interpretation of law by some would say it is a crime.
If you do it responsibly, it's a matter of conscience. I live on the hope that God does not consider the political macinations of man when deciding if something is a sin or not for us. Most laws are not passed as a matter of morality, but rather as a means of manipulation, control, and slavery.
Another response was:
Wheelies aren't sin. Breaking the laws set in place by those over you, however, is. (Unless they contradict God's law. No such luck here with that argument, however.)
So, if there is no law, there is no sinner.
I say if that is not a license to speed, then I dont know what is.
   
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posted February 25, 2005 03:43 AM
hehe, i think i remember that forum/thread.
they were too extreme for me in so many cases that i just quit visiting.
think of it this way: if what you are doing casts a negative light on Christians, then by all means don't do it.
even if the act is not sinful in itself, it causing others hardship or whatnot IS.
(like drinking alcohol. not inherently sinful, but if you are around someone that is offended by a Christian drinking a nightcap, then don't do so around them)
unfortunately there are laws in place concerning speeding, so technically it *is*
no specific laws about wheelies, they always use careless/reckless when citing that offense. Solution? don't do it where anyone is going to care 
  
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posted February 25, 2005 04:16 AM
Some would say......
Some would say that it's a sin NOT to wheelie!!! 
I mean come on!!! Who doesn't love to wheelie??? Harley riders and girls???? 
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posted February 25, 2005 05:37 AM
I believe the bible is pretty clear on us following the laws of the land set forth, unless of course it goes agenst the word of the lord as stated before. so that being said.
wheeling at a track or on a dirtbike, or on your own property is not...
but doing it in traffic where there are laws agenst it would actually be....
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posted February 25, 2005 07:29 AM
It's really interesting how certain versions of the bible are used by certain "Christian" religions to keep the masses down. They make it a sin to eat pork and shellfish (historically because poor food storage allowed the meat to become full of bacteria). They made it seem logical that a person should not eat a scavenger....probably (wrongly) assuming that the bacteria came from what the animal was eating.
These religions (and not just christian religions) are using, and have used, the bible as a political tool to keep people in line. "Following the laws of the land" or you're sinning, is a convenient way to control the population. Don't just make it illegal, make it a sin or immoral. There are stupid laws out there that are just meant to control for controls sake or to generate revenue....this blanket statement of "you break the laws of the land, and you are breaking the laws of god" is retarded.
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even if the act is not sinful in itself, it causing others hardship or whatnot IS.
(like drinking alcohol. not inherently sinful, but if you are around someone that is offended by a Christian drinking a nightcap, then don't do so around them)
So....this would mean that posting this topic in the potential site of people who find it offensive is a sin......
there are many religions out there that look at the bible in many different ways. I am a recovering Catholic....and am only attending church, etc because I am getting married in the summer.....but we are in the process of taking our marriage prep classes so we just spoke about a similar topic. The catholic church believes they have a covanent with god which basically says "whatever the church sets as a law becomes god's law". I am not aware of any covanent between the catholic church and ANY country. This means, at least to the catholics, that church (god) and state are two totally separate entities......so breaking ANY law (unless it is also a law of god: ie 10 commandments) is not a sin.
Another thing: why is this thread posted here instead of in the Smackhouse? This has nothing to do with the 12R........
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posted February 25, 2005 07:54 AM
wow, that means I'm a bad bad sinner....:P
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posted February 25, 2005 08:27 AM
My view would be that a Christian should be submissive to the laws so as not to shine a bad light on who they are trying to promote.Correct on the views of pork and shellfish,but also I wouldn't want to eat a lb. of bacon daily no matter what Emeral says.Ever think about the real reason for doing wheelies?Is it not about how close to your mortality you'ld dare to take it or showing off toward others?Either way,its self centered ego and pride which are sins to Christians.For the record I suck at wheelies!And I thought you weren't going to go to that sight after being kicked out.
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posted February 25, 2005 09:00 AM
quote:
My view would be that a Christian should be submissive to the laws so as not to shine a bad light on who they are trying to promote.Correct on the views of pork and shellfish,but also I wouldn't want to eat a lb. of bacon daily no matter what Emeral says.Ever think about the real reason for doing wheelies?Is it not about how close to your mortality you'ld dare to take it or showing off toward others?Either way,its self centered ego and pride which are sins to Christians.For the record I suck at wheelies!And I thought you weren't going to go to that sight after being kicked out.
I think some people miss the point about things like pork and shellfish. The ignorance of the powers-that-be at the time this stuff was written just shows off how many religions still use tenets that were taken as "fact" at the time and are now known to be incorrect. How about the "No meat on friday" thing the catholics still try to do? What is the point of that? So it's a sin to eat meat on a friday? WTF??? My fiance tries that one with me every once in a while (or at christmas time) and I cannot understand the point. I am willing to bet that this stuff was done because people were so poor (back in the day) that the church felt it had to find a way to stretch 6 days worth of food through 7 days.
Pound of bacon? As many philosophers have been credited: " All things in moderation, even moderation".
As far as the comments about "self centered ego and pride"......everything is self centred ego and pride if you look hard enough. Why do we have nice houses, and motorcycles, and fancy cars? If someone tries hard enough they can twist all of those things into ego and pride. If you think your son is great at little league...that is pride and therefore a sin??? That is stupid.
I have a friend who got busted for doing a wheelie because they were accelerating up a hill and he hit a raised manhole cover. The minute his front wheel left the ground he was guilty of "stunting". He was not guilty of the sins of pride or ego, he was a victim of an overzealous cop who decided he hated sportbike riders. Based on the logic above, he was a sinner........and that is fucked.
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posted February 25, 2005 09:00 AM
If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." -Jack Handy
(...probably like wheelying...) -worm~hole
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posted February 25, 2005 09:21 AM
I'll pray for you CM....
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posted February 25, 2005 09:44 AM
quote:
I'll pray for you CM....
Thanks 
I will add you to the list of people praying for me......
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posted February 25, 2005 09:49 AM
you mean you haven't transfered that list to the computer yet?? that's quite the database to upkeep manualy....
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posted February 25, 2005 12:15 PM
I always thought wheelies brought you closer to God.
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posted February 25, 2005 02:10 PM
sure if you flip over backwards at a buck thirty.I guess the question about is it a sin to wheelie really comes down to how much it bothers your conscence.
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posted February 25, 2005 03:27 PM
Jesus said, "Unto man I give the motorcycle and with it the wheelie."
Heed brother J.C.'s advice and wheelie that summbish!
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posted February 28, 2005 01:09 PM
This is funny, of all the foul things in the world, Killers, child molesters, female impersonators. Someone would talk about the sin of breaking a man made law. The thing that pissess me off is I can't wheelie, I try and try but I'm scared to flip the bike. My vice is women that's my sin I'M A FORNICATING MOTHER FUCKER! Oh and I drink every now and then. Wheelies? I'm not worried about going to hell over. Women? That's another story, I think I'm going to be in meetings soon like Hi I'm Julius and I'm a sexaholoic (CROWD) "HELLO JULIUS" I guess if I learn to wheelie I can cut back on the sin of fornication. NINJA MAN TEACH ME HOW TO WHEELIE SO I CAN QUIT TREATING WOMEN LIKE MEAT
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posted February 28, 2005 02:18 PM
interesting vp CM, sounds very bitter ;P
but you have a point, many religious texts are used solely as a power tool. AND wrongly so.
my viewpoint is this: i have no right to exert my morality on you or anyone else, unless you happen to be in my home or on my property.
Unfortunately too many people out there feel the need to exert their own values/morals on everyone near them.
Religious texts are most often used, but they are not the limit of the human ability to do their best to be king buzzard on you know which hill.
Keep in mind if you actually read through the NT it's a very laid-back type of deal. Everything deals with treating other people right, and treating others wrong is a big point of what constitutes sin. Heck, even the OT 'crimes' were almost exclusively dealing with treating other people like crap. (notable exception being the "thou shalt have no other gods before me")
I understand totally the cynicism that exists concerning mainstream religion, but please don't label all who practice the faith as being oppressive or ignorant or whatever else.
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posted February 28, 2005 02:48 PM
Yes, my child, you have sinned. You are forgiven. Do three Christ Airs and a wicked cool stoppie.
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posted February 28, 2005 03:06 PM
slug,
Don't even get me started. I had to sit through 3 hours of marriage prep class on birth control and why it's EVIL. Not just wrong, but evil. In fact they went so far as to say that artificial contraception is the root of ALL of our society's problems. I find it hard to think of a rubber as evil....and the pill?? That is about as far from evil as you can get. We have 3 more hours of that shit to listen to...while they show us a calendar and explain how to use it....like I've never seen a calendar before. I will be suprised if I don't snap and walk out during the next class.
The stupid thing is that I can almost guarantee that every chick in the room is on the pill, and yet we all sit there and say "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" about this and every other topic that is not even reasonable. You have to do this if you want to be married in the church (not very important to me,but important to my fiance), and so the parishoners start a relationship with the church and the priest based on a foundation of dishonesty. I have not had any occasion to lie in recent memory , more than I have had to lie in order to get this marriage stuff rolling. I really hate lying....not because it's a sin (I am so sick of the guilt trips these churches put on about sinning), but because my own moral fibre tells me to be a man of integrity...."do what you say you are going to do, and be what you say you are". Where did I get that attitude??? Martial arts, not the church.
I guess I'm just tired of every church saying that they are the correct one (and selling that point constantly to the already converted to make sure they don't "lose their faith"), and any person who does not follow their particular dogma is not going to heaven. I don't know a lot about any of the other christian religions, but when I see preachers pounding the pulpit, and saying that various things are a sin....or when followers of a belief extrapolate a concept and turn it into a sin (like pulling a wheelie), it is a real problem. People very rarely get lynched for an illegal activity, but are far more likely to be lynched if that same activity is called a sin.
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posted February 28, 2005 03:31 PM
CM, don't be silly.....everyone's going to heaven, all you have to say is "Father forgive me", and your a shoe in....dosen't matter that you just broke every commandment in the book.....so go ahead, do a wheelie, slip on that rubber, lie till your blue in the face..... we are all going to heaven
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posted February 28, 2005 04:00 PM
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Yeah the priest actually mentioned something like that...... if the husband cheats on the wife, she MUST forgive him...and she can't even say an "Our Father..." without forgiving him first (is this a punishment...to not say the "Our father"???). Even better is....he just has to go to confession and ask for forgiveness and the sin is forgiven.....the equivalent to an oil change for the soul.
Here is another good one....If a couple is married and then gets a divorce (civil)....in the eyes of the church they are still married. If either or both remarry and have sex with their new husband/wife, they are committing adultery in the eyes of the church, which means they can't take the eucharist (the bread and wine) without going to confession first. Once they've gone to confession, the soul is clean and they can partake of the eucharist. This could be a weekly ritual if it was that important to the participants. To me it sounds like a "get out of jail free" card. You can do whatever you want to whoever you want (I guess that's why priests justify molesting alter boys), go to confession and you are as pure as a fresh snow fall. How fucking convenient.....
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posted February 28, 2005 04:46 PM
All dogs go to heaven, but us freaks have to suffer in hell.
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posted February 28, 2005 04:56 PM
damn CM, what church u goin to? sure as hell aint a very progressive denomination. i can appreciate the good things a church/religion can bring, but i'm nto seeing any redeeming qualities in the one you're describing.
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posted February 28, 2005 06:45 PM
frEEk, it's Ukanian Catholic.....yeah they are pretty heavy, but apparently the whole Catholic Church is going hardcore on the birth control thing.....and they're going away from "mass absolution" (instead of going to confession, you attend a service) and back to confessions and confessionals....which is really pissing off the parishes with newer churches, as they were built without confessionals and now have to be retrofitted at a substantial expense. We have been watching videos at our classes....and they are full on Roman Catholic and they are waaaaay off the deep end so I suspect that the whole Catholic Church is fucked up.....
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posted February 28, 2005 07:25 PM
i wasn't trying to 'get you started' but everything you described is a man-made tradition, not scripturally based.. (or so loosely it is not funny)
i'll try to explain the other thing better as well
If i proclaim myself a Christian, and if you believe that i am a hypocrite being a Christian and drinking alcohol, then for me to do so while around you is wrong. If i do it in my home away from you it's not.
All it is saying is that if something i do is offenseve to someone, to not do it where they will see/know. If i continue to knowingly do something that is offensive to you, i am wrong to do so. (for example, say i am a smoker, and i smoke near you, and you have asthma. I would be wrong to continue to smoke near you, for obvious reasons. Yet other places are perfectly acceptable)
Do i think that many catholic (or other for that matter) traditions are screwy? YES.
But i am not going to condemn every catholic as being ignorant oppressors or whatever else.
i've also never really figured out their being bent on the whole contraception thing...
but i have to ask, is it worth it to her to make you have to lie just to get married in her church? does SHE Know and understand what they are making you do for the "priveledge" of paying THEM to marry you?
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