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posted December 14, 2004 08:07 AM
Ive bounced the bike off the limiter a few times on spray....try not to make a habit of it...but it wont hurt anything if you catch it quick enough.
I also was never a fan of window switches...id just spray through the whole run...doesnt take that long to shift and its not like you are off the throttle for more than a few 10ths of a second.
The progressive controller would probably do what you seek...basically ramping up the nitrous over a delayed amount of time...really does a number on your solenoid/s though if you use it alot.
Honestly...id stick with a system at first where you just press the button and go....then add onto that as you go along and figure out what you want.
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posted December 14, 2004 10:07 AM
i have had the system installed for over 2 years now... guess im trying to step up a few notches... Local track is ony a 1/8 mile track and i have never used it running there... hopefully with a controller it will give me smalls shots in 1st and 2nd gear a little more in third...
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posted December 14, 2004 10:19 AM
could use the progressive box to delay the nitrous over the first few seconds starting at a very small amount and working its way up to 100% by the time you get to the top of 2nd.
cake.
I believe that system even works with the EFIR box to engage timing retard at the same time (if you ever began to spray a shot worthy of timing retard)
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posted December 14, 2004 10:53 AM
yup they ay the biggest shot ya can give without chaging pistons and such is 100 correct?...
but i will most likely go with a 70 or so... suggestions?
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posted December 14, 2004 10:59 AM
id at least take a degree or two out with a 70 shot 
Itll never be enough.
When I ran that..I just hit the button...it was nice 
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posted December 14, 2004 11:30 AM
he he he ... what ya running now?...
that 40 shot i have is ok... but i guess i want that BIG RUSH!!!
plus i never really had that shot set up correctly... was kinda scared spraying with no pc3r... i did have the resistor that gave it 8% more fuel across the board.. but it seem to run to rich.. so i removed it....
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posted December 14, 2004 11:30 AM
what about that yosh EMS i got?
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posted December 14, 2004 11:53 AM
Eh..bikes being turned into a turbo dragbike at the moment (although thats taking quite awahile...least I have the bus to putter around on now).
I got up to 250ish HP on spray on the 12 before I sold the nitrous kit to someone who will remain nameless
Had the EFIR taking out 6 degrees (was advanced 2.5 mechanically that I couldnt change) over the course of a few seconds....no progressive box...just the button to go
I loved it! Although I had my own map with the PC3 that just made the bike run rich as sin all the time..that kinda sucked.
The Yosh would rock..you could thumbflip between spray and cruising maps.
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posted December 14, 2004 11:58 AM
yeah getting a custom map is my issue.... might go see Doug at spencer cycle.. he is about 1.5 hrs away from me... was gonna see Kcabdy while i was in Jax....
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posted December 14, 2004 12:32 PM
most people will charge a few hundred to custom map a yosh box....might as well just get yourself an LM1 and map it yourself!
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posted December 14, 2004 01:47 PM
Voz, with that box, you can set it 2 ways. #1, so that it Starts where you want it say 20% and then at full in 8 seconds and every time you shift it turns off and starts exactly where you left off unti you hit peak power. (Let us say that in second you hit the button and use it for 2 seconds in Second, then in 3rd, it will then be at about 40% and you use it for 2 seconds in 3 and hit 4th. It will turn off the NOS and return right where you left off at maybe 60% and then you shift to 5th after 3 seconds. It will turn off and start at say 85% when you shift to 6th and then in about 1 second it will be at 100%.
Or
I have mine set for 20% to 100% in about 3 seconds and it re-starts every time you shift or let off. You need to ride the bike and see how you like it best and set it there!
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posted December 14, 2004 03:54 PM
YCIS what is a LM1
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posted December 14, 2004 04:00 PM
wideband O2 / datalogger...doug sellsem for about 400 bucks...pretty slick little unit.
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posted December 15, 2004 06:17 AM
Once again things dont need to be that complicated for the horsepower level you are talking about. You dont need a progressive controller, or a wideband o2 sensor, special fuels, or a datalogger. You're talking about adding 70hp? The only thing you might want is the EFIR12 to pull a few degrees of timing, that's it! Don't need to reinvent the wheel here...
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posted December 15, 2004 06:42 AM
He isnt asking if he needs them....he is asking if they help.
This is turning into another one of your airshifter threads.
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posted December 15, 2004 08:09 AM
speaking of a airshifter.... nah ill leave that one alone for now.... would like an electric shifter.... but that for another thread....
Bergie.. i guess for what im looking for is an electronic way to get the n2o introduced to the bike in every gear but in increasing increments....
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posted December 15, 2004 11:18 AM
Doing it right
I'm sure the answer to my ? is already in this thread, but since I can be rather anal about such things, what hardware should I have to do this right; that is, retard the timing, and enable a revlimit NOS cutoff?
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posted December 16, 2004 06:08 AM
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what im looking for is an electronic way to get the n2o introduced to the bike in every gear but in increasing increments
The question is WHY? There's NO NEED to do that given the HP level you're talking about. Why would you want to do something if it's not necessary and has no benefit, it just costs more money.
YCIS- I realize you need an airshifter, and a progressive controller, so I wont bother asking why you dont just hire a rider to ride your shit for you LOL :P
This is fun...
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posted December 16, 2004 06:22 AM
i prolly will be stepping up in the amount of my shot... 40 now depending on what i get 70-100 in the future...
just want to make is safe and somewhat foolproof remember im a DA...
we all dont have your skills and we want to go fast NOW.. not wait a few years till my skill level reaches half of your sir... LOL LOL
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posted December 16, 2004 06:31 AM
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YCIS- I realize you need an airshifter, and a progressive controller, so I wont bother asking why you dont just hire a rider to ride your shit for you LOL
Pfft...who needs nitrous?
I never once had an airshifter, progressive controller, or any of that nonsense on the 12 back when I rode it on the street...I wanted it as simple as possible..press a button..go faster...done. Then again...I was slow. (did keep me ahead of everyone I needed to keep ahead of at the time though)
However hes already got that and wants more...so why not answer his question?
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posted December 16, 2004 07:58 AM
Edited By: NINJA12 on 16 Dec 2004 07:59
I don't think there is anything available to progress by gear,
BUT you can get a progressive and get pretty close if you increase
the ramp time long enough. Maybe start at 40% ramp to 100% over 6 seconds. Increase or decrease the time to match the power demands.
That would actually be a smoother application of the juice.
Smooth equals consistant, and less likely to trash parts.
"I" can't think of any real advantage in increase by gear, it will probably have more traction problems down track as the steps KICKS in.
Why do you want to stop the spray between shifts?
No easy way to do that, especially with dry.
IF you are doing it to aid the shift you can't stop it and restart fast enough to do any good.
If you are tring to stay of the REV limit, then you need a window switch,
Start spraying at 7000 and shut off at 11,300.
If you use the window switch to activate the progressive it will be smoother and safer. You can still have another primary activation
device like a the horn botton or TPS.
Like everyone else said with a 40 shot , JUST DO IT!
I shoot a 40 with advanced timing no progressive.
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posted December 16, 2004 09:12 AM
Sounds like a PC3R, DCS-101, EFIR-12 and the RPM window switch will do you right. Get them all from Schintz, email ryan@schnitzracing.com and ask him for the package price hook-up. Or maybe try Doug @ Spencer Cycle they've both always treated me right and I would recommend either source.
Ninja12 said it well. 40hp straight up, dont need the other stuff. If you want to step it up considerably, and keep it simple, go dry with the combo above. You can shoot 100hp with that setup no problems.
Good luck! Check dragbikezone.com we are going to setup a private track day next season for a Zone smacktalk shootout and hang-out.
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posted December 16, 2004 09:16 AM
You also asked about the install. It doesn't take a wiring expert to install any of these, but if you're sketchy about doing it and taking the time to map it out and do it right, drop it off at Lee's Performance and he'll hook it up for you, and sell you the stuff you need at the same time. If you're going to pay someone to install it then definitely consider buying the equipment from them as well, it's the best way to maintain a good relationship with a vendor/performance shop and they will appreciate your business. I've seen some of the install's done at Lee's, and his crew is meticulous on nitrous setups and airshifters I definitely would trust them to work on my bikes.
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posted December 16, 2004 09:20 AM
thank for the info sir...
I have been reading that thread at the dragzone bergie...
you guys pick a spot up to 6 hours away i'll try and get there....
of course The Rock is only an hour and change away....
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