swft
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posted August 19, 2004 12:50 PM
If you took the rad and moved it, that would give you a fair amount of room?
  
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VincentHill
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posted August 19, 2004 12:52 PM
Swft, quit reading my mind (What little there is) I think the reason the ZX10 1989 is goinf 246 at Bonneville is the radiator is in the tail section! I plan to look at maybe changing the fairing to a ZX12 all glass one and putting the IC where the headlight was and maybe have a unit I can also fill with ICE. If I stick the radiator in the tail and still mounted the IC where the radiator was, I would loose all I gained with moving the radiator.
Bergie, since when does $4,000 not sound Cheaper than $8,000? All of this is worked out also because there is a huge lack of plumming and controls not used with this style unit!
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posted August 19, 2004 01:29 PM
never thought about moving it...but cutting it to a much smaller size would be a viable option.
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bikerdude0_2
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posted December 30, 2006 10:29 AM
Hey Vince, did you ever get any further than this with supercharger? I'm only asking as I'm tempted to go down this route myself this winter! :~)
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lonniemac
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posted December 30, 2006 03:19 PM
Hey Vince you know about this guy. (http://calisuperbikes.com/) hes been doing kits on some bikes but i havnt known of a zx12r. the zx10 is his latest project. about 230 daily rider horspower. not much cheaper than turbo kit by Muzzy though. I have been looking into this. the kit claims no lag problems. which sounds good for the zx10 on the low side.
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posted December 30, 2006 04:29 PM
Yep, I think Mr. Keats started when TTS had some sort of financial/lease issues. The linear power of supercharging makes it nice for the road..............But the ZX-12 frame is still the greatest hurtle. I think the charger robs at least 15% of your HP from the crank. You should just give Bear a ring and He might have a plenum option for the 12.
I like the concept, but it's still a little pricey. If it was close to the same price as a MH Ghetto I would be all over it.
Mr. Hill I hope you run 214+ on that nos this coming year and then put that supercharger on! Just don't sell that Nos kit as those superchagers really like a hit of the juice!!!!
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posted December 30, 2006 04:32 PM
 Edited By: TRNorBRN6001 on 30 Dec 2006 16:35
Shoot Buddy a PM as He might still have his ZX-12 welded-up frame from his turbo bike.
How about a supercharger on your ZRX Mr. Hill !!!!
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VincentHill
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posted December 30, 2006 05:42 PM
I was actually "Thinking" about Doug Meyers Bike and actually had someone that would "Sponsor" me to buy it! The reality is, until I do everything I have and had planned to do with NOS, I am going no where with anything else. I am JUST Learning all of the in's and Out's of the NOS and have too much Mental time to change without doing what I think I can do. Remember, I am an Old Man and can only play with one toy at a time! If not for the almost 2 years lost on a bad NOS Line I might be there now. Everyone needs to understand that I only have 4 days a Month to do anything I need to do at home (Like the Jewish people my Sabbath is from Sun Down Friday to Sun Down Saturday so that days is out which only leaves Sunday which is also the only day I race on). that is 48 days a year minus the races which is Daytona and others for about 8 times. then I need to work on all of the other vehicles to keep them running and that is about 1 of those days per month and now I am down to 28 Days. WIth 4 to 5 races that is about 6 to 7 days per event to get ready.
Tomorrow will be the First Free Day I have had since I pulled the engine out of the frame to clean up the Work Bench put away all of the Tools and put the engine on the work Bench. Monday I hope to take it apart and see what I did and send the trans to Robinson. Then I need to order the parts and wait for them. In the mean time I will be testing 3 configurations of new Exhaust on my Cammed ZRX 1100 against my Friends Stock ZRX 1100. My Plate just stays full all of the time.
Now tell me where I have the time or energy to even think about a NEW Project??
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posted January 01, 2007 12:43 AM
The experience over here with the TTS superchargers fitted to Busas and 12's has been pants. Then TTS went bust! Andy Head fitted the kit to his 12R and just managed 200 mph, but not as fast as my n/a 1270, then it went pop. Now he's running 240's with a turbo kit from Big CC Racing in the UK. Keith
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VincentHill
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posted January 01, 2007 05:11 AM
Keith, what does the Expression "Has been Pants" mean? Remember we are Separated by a Common Language 
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ricksgsxr
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posted January 01, 2007 08:10 AM
Edited By: ricksgsxr on 1 Jan 2007 08:11
Try finding an end user who has actually posted impressions other than the one selling the kits. Heck try getting a reference from Jason..I have the e-mails still never got one despite being told otherwise-I passed on buying the kit.
One is all I can find and was orignally posted on here in the Zx-10 forum which that post died and went too another 10 forum.
The rider review was nothing more than a ride in the parking lot. The last post he said he was too busy trying too start a business and no time to ride.
Something don't add up..
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posted January 01, 2007 08:30 AM
ProStar race at NJ had one on a Suzuki,can't rememberif it was a busa or 1000.He said he had no problems and liked it.I'm assuming it was the same company as I've never heard of a different one.Not sure on the hp #'s
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posted January 02, 2007 06:36 AM
a supercharger, being belt driven, will more than likely become parasitic(sp) on flat out runs.... duh.
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posted January 02, 2007 07:11 AM
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For me, I don't understand the fascination with being different. Go with what is proven to work with the least amount of effort and cost. With that in mind, maybe switch to the 'Busa platform and go Velocity
What Bergie said...Vince, when you have issues with the set up where are you going to get help from???
Maybe I dont understand???...Howabout helping me understand the kind of guy you are!!!
Are you the type that likes to race???
Race then turn wrenches???
Turn wrenches then race???
Go to the race track to turn wrenches???
Maintenance done before going to race???
Unload the race bike for show???
Just like to be different???
I'm not making fun of you, just dont understand???... Guys your age usually want to ride/race with minimal maitenance required...Im not your age and thats what I want !!!
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keith
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posted January 02, 2007 10:19 AM
Vince - "Pants" is short for filling your pants - NOT GOOD
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VincentHill
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posted January 02, 2007 11:00 AM
Edited By: VincentHill on 2 Jan 2007 12:09
Thanks Keith! I really understand NOW!!
Crotch, It is fairly easy to explain. It is all about how "MY" Mind Work. You are 100% right when you say "If you have a Problem, there is no where to turn because no one has anything like you have"
There was an Article by Kevin Cameron that stated that NO one with a "New Idea" will Immediately be better than the Well Devoloped Old Idea. Like Frank Whittle who started working on Jet Engines in the 30's. They were Slower and drank a lot more fuel and the Piston Engines.
My Problem is, If I start with what everybody else has, then I am limited to what they can do plus a little more. If I start out with what I think will beat everyone, then until it works I will be slower than anyone and if I keep working and resolving the Problems, then I have a chance to be faster by a larger step.
Like everyone I would like for things to go easy, but like everything else in life for me, it has always been the Hard Road. Saying that, I have been successful (even if it is Eventually) with everything I have worked out or on. I do not have a Lot of TIme or Energy to work on my projects, but I do have a LOT of time to think about them. I get very Bored if there is nothing to resolve in my mind and will take on more projects until I am over loaded and really wore out. With this deal on the Bike, I can truly say that I have not been bored in my mind.  I would rather take 4 years to do something Exactly the way I wanted to than to take 2 years and do it the way everyone else did.
Like the Math Test in College, the Correct answer only accounted for 10% of the grade. The steps taken to get the correct answer were "MORE" Important than the answer alone.
I could not enjoy taking someone elses work that I paid for and set any record. To me that would not be "MY" Record, it would be who ever I paid to build and tune my Bike Record.
I hope this helps!! It is the best way I can explain it. Even in my AMA Days, the Shocks I used were MotoXFox Air Shox. It took a year to develop them to the point I was better off. EI Blue Magnum Carbs with no Jets. Again Different but for me perfect. Even the 2 stroke I rode in the 250 class was a Kawasaki Big Horn Road Race Chassis with a TZ 250 D engine with Air Cooled Primary gears and Dirt Tracker rear brake on Both SIdes of the Front with Quick Change sprockets. I weighed about 225 pounds and had a 54 inch wheel base. Short for those days.
Just in, The Ack Attack Streamliner is Owned, Built and Driven by the Same guy. The Bub Liner is Owned and built by one guy and driven by another. The 3rd liner was Owned by 1 person, Built by another and Driven by a 3rd Person.
Which one of these three very well done liners do you think "I" See as the one I would be if I was in the same postion?? Of Course the Ack Attack. It is all HIS! For some people Owning the Fastest Machine is enough. For Some people Building the Fastest Machine is enough and for others Driving the Fastest machine is enough! But for me, I have to Own, Design, Build and drive the Fastest machine to be satisfied! I really have not put it into words before but that is how it is for me.
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posted January 02, 2007 02:09 PM
There is some guys out in cali doing this now advertising a similar set up for sale. Problem reqally was the price. About 6 months ago I looked into turbo, nos options and found these guys. There price was 7999.00 installed in Cali, and they had to do it for you, must be the airbox deal.
Like the busa set up shown in the pic, I always wondered wether or not the 12 could have that set up in side the air box, or better yet, possibly remove some metal at the back of the box and make an insert that fills the hole bolting in to seal it up so this piece could be removed after taking off the cover. Kind of like the two in there now that are removable, but one big one that would allow you to install and remove and airbox that goes underneath.
Maybe you could have the stacks as part of the airbox and seal them to the throttle bodies with piping coming into airbox via ram air holesand secured to the new real airbox. This would negate the need to seal up the airbox if it could be done.
Maybe a rectangular box with a top that is removable, inside has the 4 v stacks welded so it can bolt to throttle bodies, then bolt toponto it with gasket and it can now be pressurized and still be inside frame. Might work. I only wish we could do it ourselves too, just more fun that way.
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posted January 02, 2007 02:59 PM
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For me, I don't understand the fascination with being different. Go with what is proven to work with the least amount of effort and cost. With that in mind, maybe switch to the 'Busa platform and go Velocity
What Bergie said...Vince, when you have issues with the set up where are you going to get help from??? I will help ya vince
Maybe I dont understand???...Howabout helping me understand the kind of guy you are!!!
Are you the type that likes to race??? YES
Race then turn wrenches??? YES
Turn wrenches then race??? YES
Go to the race track to turn wrenches??? sure a lot of people do
Maintenance done before going to race??? YES
Unload the race bike for show??? Yes
Just like to be different??? YES
I'm not making fun of you, just dont understand???... Guys your age usually want to ride/race with minimal maitenance required...Im not your age and thats what I want !!!
maybe I am talking about myself... but to me all of the above is racing... and that is why I love it. I am like vince to the effect I really enjoy building my own stuff and learning about everything going on inside... I have looked into the supercharge before just to be different also, but I never had the funds to make it happen...
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VincentHill
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posted January 02, 2007 07:46 PM
MM, The DIfference is right now, is you are successful! (Like I was about 20 years ago) and Hope to soon do again!
I am like Sam Wheeler. If I designed it and Built it, I sure as Hell0 and going to ride it!
I Just cannot imagine building something like what those guys do and then give to to someone else to enjoy!
I went to Road Races where I rode other people's Bikes and all of them had things I did not like. Now I am building my Own bike and as it turns out "With things I did not like" The difference is I know the Owner and Builder and can make the necessary changes
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bikerdude0_2
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posted January 03, 2007 09:04 AM
I've just had a reply from TTS. They have quoted me £4500, approx. $8000 for 250Bhp system, which seems a little pricey. But the big question mark is that they have said the pistons and rod will not need to be changed as they are good for 250Bhp.  Does this sound right to you guys?
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VincentHill
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posted January 03, 2007 11:18 AM
A Stock ZX12 can easily take a 60 shot of NOS and for a short time take a 100 SHot of NOS
Since a 12 can make about 180 HP and we are really talking 70 more, then with using a Thicker base Gasket I really think this is true.
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ricksgsxr
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posted January 04, 2007 04:53 AM
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ProStar race at NJ had one on a Suzuki,can't rememberif it was a busa or 1000.He said he had no problems and liked it.I'm assuming it was the same company as I've never heard of a different one.Not sure on the hp #'s
Brandon Farlow maybe? he is over on psychobike been fabricating a kit for some time now
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posted January 06, 2007 04:25 PM
I remember all the crap Doug went through to properly set up the air-box to handle the boost on the 12 Spencers did and it definitely ain't a bolt on operation.
It's got bottomless pit written all over it IMO as far as the 12 is concerned. 
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posted January 06, 2007 04:38 PM
Vince I wish you good luck in whatever it is you are going to pursue whether it is a Supercharger for your 12 or Doug Meyer's 12,just stay away from the damn fuel systems!
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VincentHill
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posted January 06, 2007 05:03 PM
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Vince I wish you good luck in whatever it is you are going to pursue whether it is a Supercharger for your 12 or Doug Meyer's 12,just stay away from the damn fuel systems!
'Touche!!
I am considering buying a Seeing eye Dog also! Trained to bite me when I do not check off my list also! The Most dangerous part of my bike is ME at the Track! At home or the Dyno I am fine but the Juices start to flow and I am 18 and stupid again! 
The deal is, one adventure at a time and I though by now I would be past this one!!
I have seen Doug Ray's Bike and Pierre's 3 bikes and it is not a walk in the park.
Just so everyone will know I have really given all of this more than a look, First, I did not plan the seal the Frame but drill a large Hole in the Right side of the frame to slide a Tube / Channel that would be Bolted to the Airbox floor over the Velocity Stacks and a plate on the Right side that bolted this to the Frame to keep the strength.
#2, I was not going to Belt drive the Super Charger but design a plate that Bear Engineering would machine to BOLT the Super Charger to the engine and be driven off of the Clutch Basket Gear using the gear on the end of the crank shaft. This would allow for the room needed for the unit to clear the Fairing and no belt problems!
Maybe one day it will happen
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