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posted January 19, 2002 10:18 AM
 Edited By: Ninjaman12R on 19 Jan 2002 11:20
PC3, ....or PC3-R , That is the question........
As some of you know I'm about to venture into the PC world since I've finally ordered a full system. I'm not sure if I need the PC3 or the PC3-R because I've already got a muzzy advancer on my bike. Can you run a PC3-R on your bike while still having the mechanical advancer set like it is on there, and just not mess with the timing map????? Will maps that have been written for a PC3 work with the PC3-R???? What is the best route for me to go?
I don't think anyone has came out with a map for my set up that has the timing values changed???? But I'm thinking that in the future they will, and I'm thinking I'd like to have the capability to use one of them when that time comes.
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RocketRacer
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posted January 19, 2002 10:40 AM
Yes, you can run the PCIIIr with the advancer installed on your bike. If you have all "zeroes" in the timing table your timing will be unaffected (other than what you dialed in on the mechanical advancer, of course!). The fuel tables for the PCIII will work on the PCIIIr, and vice versa.
I like the PCIIIr best because you can change timing at different RPMs and throttle settings. With the mechanical advancer you just have "x" amount of static timing change all the way across the board.
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posted January 19, 2002 11:12 AM
Hhhmmmm....
This makes me think I'll get the R model and leave my advancer as is. Then if somebody comes up with a killer timing map for my set up, take the muzzy advancer out and put the stocker back in. That way I could sell the Muzzy advancer to offset the added cost of the PC3-R. 
I love it when a plan comes together.
But let me see if I understand you about the maps. I've already asked Y2K about getting his map because as we all know ,he knows his shit, and he is running the same Yoshi system as the one I'm getting. He has a PC3 I believe. If I get his map, I upload it to the power commander and then I'm done. Correct???? No adjustments to make with his map or anything. The timing values will automatically stay at "0" unless you install a map that tells it otherwise????
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posted January 19, 2002 11:26 AM
Edited By: SpencerCyclecom on 19 Jan 2002 11:32
We have them in stock
PC3r-ZX12r---$310.00 Plus s/h
ON SALE NOW for a limited time
Give us a call.
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posted January 19, 2002 11:42 AM
Sorry Doug.....
Don't hate me but my boy Daniel is gonna be the one to get this for me too. But I will admit, knowing what dealer cost is on the PC3R is, your not making much money. IF anything ever happens to my "Hook Up" I'll give you a call when I need something. Just don't hold it against me for wanting to keep as much loot in my pocket as possible.
Once again, knowing what dealer cost is on the PC3R, you ain't making much $$$$$. Nice to know some decent business practices still exist. Thanks Doug.
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posted January 19, 2002 12:54 PM
Yes, you can upload and run Jim's map. And it will be simple to check your timing table loaded into your PCIIIr whenever you want to verify that it is all zeroes.
I've got a custom fuel map I had made on a Dynojet 250 you may want to try. It doesn't have the low throttle setting changes that Jim made to his map, but that is also simple to add. I've been using Hank's ignition timing map (tweaked just a LITTLE bit) and have been happy with it. Still would like to do some more experimenting with the fuel and timing maps on mine. Runs damn good, but I've always got to play around with stuff and see if I can make it even better! Come on springtime!!
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posted January 19, 2002 01:26 PM
I hear ya
RR,
I'll more than likely go for the R model. I am going to see how much more is involved in the installation of the PC3-R model. It has to be a little more involved than just the PC3.
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posted January 19, 2002 03:58 PM
I haven't played around with a "regular" PCIII, but from conversations on these boards I'm pretty sure the only difference in hooking them up is one extra wire on the PCIIIr that goes to ground. The difference in installation is not at issue at all!!
And you've got to stop this shit - you're going to have your bike set up exactly like mine!
Red '00 ZX-12R
Yosh RS-3 Duplex Race exhaust with titanium can
17/47 sprockets
Muzzy's clutch kit
Muzzy's block-off plates
Muzzy's aluminum fan blade (the noisy version!)
Muzzy's front brake lines
K&N air filters
Power Commander IIIr
I'm probably forgetting something - but that covers most of the stuff. My next "big" mod will probably be a 1270 kit - so make sure you DON'T go out and get that, too!! 
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posted January 19, 2002 04:54 PM
Edited By: Ninjaman12R on 19 Jan 2002 19:46
But.......
Do you have a corbin seat, all the Hans carbon fiber(except the snorkle) scotts damper,polished throttlemeister,ZG double bubble, yellow box, Y2K heat blanket, Graphic Moto Arts Undertail (on it's way), protek anodized pegs, and polished outer lips on your wheels. I know I'm forgetting some stuff.
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posted January 19, 2002 05:08 PM
Edited By: RocketRacer on 19 Jan 2002 17:12
I've got a yellow box coming to me right now. [Finally!!] And I've got one of Jim's heat blankets sitting on a work bench - not sure if I'm going to put it on or not. Tried to not include any tidbits on my list that don't make it GO or STOP fast!! [Or maybe just make a lot of noise.]
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posted January 19, 2002 06:16 PM
Rocket,
If you run the R with anything but a "zero" ign. table, you can leave the Muzzy adjustable advancer in place as long as you set it to zero advance.
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posted January 19, 2002 07:27 PM
Yeah, Doug, I knew that!! Doesn't really matter to me - I don't have the mechanical advancer!
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posted January 20, 2002 08:21 PM
Installation
Anybody out there got some good installation pics???? Also what items are necessary to upload new maps.(computer is a gimme ) Serial cable, anything else. Must remapping be done with the PC on the bike???? I have NO experience with these things so I'm wanting to get set up with everythin I need to do it right.
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posted January 20, 2002 08:56 PM
PC3 goes in the trunk/tool box area...
I like to run the connectors/wire UNDER the cross bar that the seat rests on (rear gas tank mount also)...I ALSO like to run the conn./wire UNDER the cross member that the gas tank rests on...THAT is a PAIN!!! but...I think it's worth having the wires where they CAN'T be worn/damaged by the cross member...
The trick to getting the connectors under the frame cross member (other than PATIENCES) is to un-bolt the rear master cylinder reservior (SIMPLE...one bolt) and move it out of the way. No draining necessary...just move it out of the way...
You use a Serial Cable to hook-up to the PC...
Sofware comes with the PC on a CD...
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posted January 20, 2002 09:18 PM
Thanks....
Thanks Kevin.
Is it fairly "painless" to load different maps?
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posted January 21, 2002 04:41 AM
Just brainstorming a bit..........Dangerous I know...
Being that I've decided I'm going to go with the PC3-R and won't need my adjustable advancer, I'm gonna put the stocker back in and sell the Muzzy adjustable. I figured while I've got the plastic off, I'd go ahead and change it when I'm putting the yoshi system on.
Here's my question, I know my bike responded well to the advancer.(3-3.5 degrees adv) If Y2K sends me his PC3 map and it works good on my bike,(and I'm sure it will) could I modify his map and do a 3 to 3.5 degree advance across the board. The reason I'm asking is that I don't want to get into it real deep because I know Jim is going to a PC3-R, and is going to do a custom timing map. But until he get's that to me I'd still like to run some timing advance. Is it possible, and if so how much trouble is it to do this with a map that was written for a PC3?
Am I a question asking MF or what?????
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posted January 21, 2002 07:01 AM
The fuel tables and ignition timing tables are completely separate on the software. Also, you can upload them to the PCIIIr separately. You can just sit at your computer and "create" an ignition timing table. Then you can upload the ignition timing table by itself to the PCIIIr without affecting the fuel mapping.
I really think a lot of your questions along these lines will be answered when you get your PCIIIr and check it out!
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posted January 21, 2002 07:15 AM
Yeah....
No stranger to software, or programming. I've been to school on PLC programming, took two Allen Bradley courses on RS Logix SLC 500 programming and troubleshooting, do programming on a Meridian PBX phone system and voice mail, and a host of other shit.
Just have never laid eyes on a Power comander, or seen the software that comes with one. I have no doubt I'll become comfortable with it once I familiarize myself with it. Can you program it off the bike without much hassell??? Does it have a harness connector that would even allow you to easily take it off the bike to do programming??? If it's got to stay on the bike then I'm gonna put one of my old PCs out in the garage and get it ready. Any accessories for a PC3-R that I need to know about. I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and order it today.
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posted January 21, 2002 07:55 AM
If you install it like Cadby described (I did!), you won't want to mess with removing the PCIIIr from the bike. I just make changes to the tables on my home or work PC and store the tables I want to upload onto a 3.5" diskette. Then when I want to upload/download maps I borrow a laptop from work.
I've heard that you can upload/download using a small hand-held computer. [I forget what they're called. Palm something?] Would like to check into that some more!
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posted January 21, 2002 09:34 AM
Palm Pilot????
Yeah I want to install it like Kevin did. Wish I had some pics to go by but I think I understand what he is saying. I've got an old pentium 133mhz machine that has a fresh reformatting job, and all it has on it is windows and ie. It's in the closet not doing a damned thing, looks like it will be put back into service. How long is the serial cable that comes with the PC3-R. (it does come with one doesn't it???)
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posted January 21, 2002 09:45 AM
It comes with one. It's probably about 10 feet long.
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posted January 21, 2002 01:21 PM
Cool
That'll be plenty.
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posted January 22, 2002 06:02 AM
Let the madness begin....
The pipe came in yesterday. Hoping that the fan will be here in a day or two. I ordered the PC3-R yesterday so I don't know if it'll make it this week or not. It'll gimme time to get my "ghetto" perfomance center computer set up. Had to salvage an old Dell monitor from work, but hey the price was good.
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posted January 23, 2002 05:04 AM
Advancer
Ninjaman12r - Do you want to sell the advancer, to offset the cost of the PC3R?
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posted January 23, 2002 05:52 AM
Ninjaman....
Be careful with the fan switch if you have to remove it from the radiator. My fan switch went bad after replacing my fan with the aluminum one (a nice quiet one ) and I had to replace it. I got lucky and my dealer warrantied it for me but if I'm not mistaken a new switch is like $75 or so. I know a few others have had switch probs as well when replacing the stock fan. I don't know how it happened cause I didn't drop it on the ground or anything, I was very careful with it and the piece of shit still broke. Good luck!
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