posted April 20, 2004 03:11 PM
Good question. Hopefully a big brother. Faster & lighter is always a good thing. But sure can't debate that they both are currently in seperate catagories and at the top of their classes.
posted April 20, 2004 05:53 PM
Don't count on it, you be hard pressed to get them to do the developement to make that happen. It has it's place in the market now and that is not even closse to the 10R. I have both bikes '0012R and '0410R and there is no comparison, comfort, acceleration, handling, weight, size, although the breaks on my 12R are very powerfull, so are the breaks on the 10R, but lack the feel of the 12R and the 12R is faster. Not buy much, but faster and the it has much better wind protection.
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posted April 20, 2004 08:26 PM
quote:Swami ,....if you can see into the future..........When is my bike going to show up?
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posted April 21, 2004 06:19 AM
Edited By: jonwright on 21 Apr 2004 07:19
I would doubt very much if Kawi did a lot more development for the 12. Further refinement perhaps, but a wholesale makeover is kinda out, methinks.
You have to wonder if they've gotten their money out of the investment for the 12 (they might have). Plus the fact that they prolly but a shitload into developing the 10 - it's a matter of where they are putting their resources.
I'm sure they need to recoup a good bit of investment.
Look at how long they ran the 7R, Concours, etc. etc.
BTW - as a real world 'touring' bike, the 12R. Hands down. But it just burns up my drivers license!
posted April 21, 2004 06:58 AM
Seems to me like alot of the 12 experience went into designing the 10 - just wondered if that process was gonna return - upstream?
posted April 21, 2004 08:12 AM
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posted April 21, 2004 10:09 AM
I honestly hope they change the frame! it is so hard to work on the motor right now in the bike. But I would love lighter and faster!! Oh yea! I am going to buy a New bike next year and it will either be a 10 or the new improved 12!! I can not wait!!
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posted April 22, 2004 05:54 AM
ZX15ZZR....A ZZR w/larger engine, tuned for midrange, in a ZX10R frame, with comfortable ergo's & long legs...
Add detachable luggage, get rid of the ZZR's butt-ugly bodywork (I almost bought one, but I hate the lights front & especially the rear end), aim it as a ZZR replacement high-zoot "sport-tourer" will all the goodies to blow beemers out of the water...& bingo...
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posted April 22, 2004 12:16 PM
the more you look at the ZZR the more you see its beauty...well at last you don't see yourself coming and going unless your at a ZZR rally....
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posted April 22, 2004 12:25 PM
Next time you are out riding on a moonless dark night and you are peering into the darkness...And you see in your rearview mirror this blinding, eye-of-God light come up behind you, you'll know it's a ZZR. As the rider smiles and waves to you, secure in having possibly the best set of lights on a motorcycle, you'll understand that fairing design.
One thing I'm suprised about is that Kawaski isn't offering the ZZR as a police issue motorcycle. It's got the motor, the gas tank and the weight carrying ability to do it...
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posted April 23, 2004 08:54 AM
...or they could just bump up the Concours a little and have a ready-made cop bike...I think the Concours is head and shoulders above the old KZ-based platform and any Harley....and not as expensive as the BMW....
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posted May 19, 2004 03:09 PM
ZX-15RR...BIG BAD AND IN-YOUR-FACE-METALLIC-ORANGE...50lbs lighter...black framed and black swingarmed (like the 10R)...black wheels w/polished rim highlights...back-torque limiter...BOTH headlights light up...rear seat cowl INCLUDED...and a big-ass analog tach and digital speedo (like the '04 R1) ...I'll be first in line at my dealer..
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posted May 19, 2004 03:43 PM
sombody needs to really let me know Cause If I need to put a deposit down then I Need to Know!!!! NOW!!! It is ok Mr. President of Kawi.. just PM me I can keep a secret, just ask all of the people I had to wack.... LOL
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