posted October 18, 2001 03:14 AM
Edited By: entropy on 18 Oct 2001 04:15
1361 is ALIVE!!!! I brought my newly 1361-ed bike home from the shop yesterday and immediately put 30 mi on it. Very rough idle and sort of rough throttle response at the low (less that 6,000) rpm i was using. Soooo, I went home and blew in a map I got from Muuzzy.
Instant HUGE improvement. Mild idle lope and very, very smooth up to 6,000. That map has more numbers on it that a Las Vegas tote board. Thanks Doug.
The power from 3-5,500 is like my bike had before the transplant from 6-8,000. REALLY pulls, and I suspect that only the new 6" ext on the arm was keeping the front wheel from going airborne at 5,000.
I will not run it this Sat at the Texas Shootout, rather I want to break it in easy. I know, I know, you are thinking, "but Karl, what about your hard fought and highly prized 15th place in SE/T points?"
One small goddamn thing, I tried to change the adv (now 2.5-3) on my Muzzy adj adv, but could get any of the 3 screws to budge. WTF?? I don't remember putting any locktite on 'em???? Anybody have a clue?
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posted October 18, 2001 04:24 AM
Hhhhhmmmmm....... I thought my Muzzy advancer came with some locktite???? I know I used it on mine, but I can't remember if it came with the advancer, or I just used what I already had????? I guess I need to lay the crackpipe down and go back to the herb. ____________
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posted October 18, 2001 05:35 AM
Glad you got it back Karl.It will be interesting to see how much it improves your 1/4 mile time.
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posted October 18, 2001 06:00 AM
Do you have the total cost to complete the project.
We know $2000 for the kit. What about head work,
any transmission recommendation, adjustable sprocket concerns. Tell your brothers what to expect.
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posted October 18, 2001 06:19 AM
Harry I bet a 1361 bike would get you and I in a heap o' trouble eh???? You know it would. I bet that bitch will wheelie till the cows come home!!!!!!!!! Think of how many tires we'd go through in a season. I'd have a "Bridgestone" visa card. LMFAO ____________
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posted October 18, 2001 07:39 AM
Cool! Hey, my 1347 bike is all together. Put a muzzy stainless exhaust on it this weekend, but still gotta do the cam timing thingy. Since yer drag racing, how did you set up the ignition kill tether? I used an Emgo kill switch, as it was a LOT smaller than the Pingle I had. The Emgo is for dirtbikes, so I had to scare up another SPST switch that was NO, instead of NC, but Radio Shack helped out there. Mounted it in the mirror mount on the right handlebar (where that black plug is) with a 10mm bolt. I've had a couple guys ask me 'what's that plug thingy for??' and it's fun explaining it to them. ____________
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posted October 18, 2001 08:15 PM
Dude I cant wait to see what times you start running!!! man you giving me a stiffie right now thinking about it.. tell me more,I need more!!! come on man you should be riding!!! get those damn 500 miles on that bike!
Mad Mike
posted October 18, 2001 08:24 PM
let us know how that 1361 monster is running...i am debating wether or not to get that kit or just go all out with a TURBO.....keep us posted
posted October 19, 2001 02:10 AM
Edited By: entropy on 19 Oct 2001 20:03
fukken ign adv screws - l No new riding impressions yet because my job is becoming unreasonable, they actually are starting to expect some work out of me and yesterday was l-o-n-g.
Ninjaman12r - you are right. I looked at the orig install instructions and it said to use locktite on the 3 ign adv screws. I guess I did and now the fukkers are like welded in. HOW TO GET THAT LOCKTITE OUT??????
Swft - I got my kill switch from Schnitz a year ago, don't remember the brand, maybe MPS??? Did you sort out your hp? Get a custom map yet?
Ninja12: my bike was down for 3 weeks, but a week of that was due to me not picking up the arm from the fab shop.
1361 costs:
2000 - kit
200??? - adj cam sprockets
350 - 6" extended arm
50 - Muzzy ext rear brake line
150 - DID 138 link chain
1690 - install of 1361 kit, cam sprockets, ext arm, chain, brakeline, fluids, filters, water wetter, etc
I'll bet you could spend another $2000+ by replacing rods, rod bolts, bearings, special crank treatment, headwork. Any comment swft?
This afternoon I will put a couple hundred mi on it...
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posted October 19, 2001 03:18 AM
Yah, bout $2k for the kit, cept I had to go for the custom crank, which was more expensive. Other than that, went with a PC IIIr, so I wouldn't have to dick around with a mech advancer. Let's see...
$2000~ 1347 kit
$200~ Pingle bars (Pingle bars, pingle bars, pingle all the way...)
$13~ Emgo switch, plus switch from RS
$400~ K&Ns, Sprocket Specialists Titan Tough 39t - 45t, 17t & 18t countershaft sprocket. 60 gallons VP MR4, 60 gallons Trick racing gas
$450~ Muzzy stainless exhaust (gonna weld midpipe to factory flange and hog out factory muffler for Bonneville.
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posted October 19, 2001 08:38 AM
stealth can SWFT,
wht didn't you hog out ALL the guuts of the stck can and helf a Muzzy can inside, then weld it back together??? A lottle more weignt nut it would look just like stock but have 100% Muzzy performance.
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posted October 19, 2001 01:23 PM
Because even a muzzy can would be more resistance than a straight pipe. When I say 'hogged out', I mean HOGGED OUT. ____________
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posted October 20, 2001 05:58 AM
Man you guys are getting me all excited!!! I can not wait to put a big kit in my bike, I want be able to run down the track and have people say Jesus Christ!!! look at that fat guy run!! LOL.. man I want to see an 8.99 something!!! hell YEA!!
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posted October 20, 2001 06:36 AM
I'll be happy for a '9-something'. I need a full season of drag racing before I'm gonna be anywhere near proficient at this. My 1270 bike was a nasty motherfucker to try and launch. Either baby it and try to catch up on the last quarter, or squeeze a little more out and try to keep the front end down. Stock was a LOT easier to drag race. The silver 1347 bike is getting the full boat...Kennedy links, a strap, pingle bars... I can use the quarter mile to iron out bugs before going to bonneville or el mirage.
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posted October 20, 2001 05:37 PM
Removing locktite Entropy,
Use a SMALL torch (propane), heat the screws and the Locktite will loosen up. You shouldn't even need to remove the rotor if you're careful.
Doug
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posted October 20, 2001 07:10 PM
Doug,
small torch, EXACTLY! I have one of those tiny radio shack propane torches (great for silver soldering), and used it to heat those 3 pesky screws. It worked.
Here is a 1361 note. After getting the bike running really smooth with a Muzzy map, I decided to change the 2.5 +- degrees I had in the "stock" set up to 4 degrees. WHOA! The idle/low rpm response went back to schitt. Man this engine seems sensitive to ign advance. Looks like I am in the market for a PC3r. Anyone want a good deal on a flawless PC3???? n/j.
I now have 300 mi on it and haven't put it abobe 8500, but is rollin'.! I have never imagined such low end power. Rolling in on in 6th gear from 4000 is like igniting a bomb. The 6" arm extension is saving my ass from power wheelies my fat ole ass coldn't handle. But at low rpm, this engine is a docile as a stocker, and runs just a cool (at low rpm).
Once again D Meyer has given GREAT advice. The Muzzy 1361 kit is VERY VERY streeatable, and you have a hp sickness, this will be a cure. I am sure the turbo guys will laugh, and they may be have a point, but this kicks ass!!!!! ____________
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posted October 22, 2001 12:45 AM
sailusvi - clutch? we'll see when I go back to the 1/4. I am hoping that the 6" arm and more hp at lower rpm will allow me to quit slipping the schitt out of the clutch in 1st. Slipping = low ET (for me)
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posted November 17, 2001 04:52 PM
Muzzy 1361 broke Had about 1500 miles on my Muzzy stroker 1361 when it broke.
(Bearings/Crank) NB Was never overreved - this is one motor you dont have to overrev!
Installation was painstakingly flawless. Dealer (they did the work) rang Muzzys. Were apparently told that this kit is not for the street - it's a race motor. Said that nascar engines cost ++$$$$++ and they dont complain when it breaks so why should I? When told it was indeed sometimes used at the track... said that no one ever warranties anything at the track.
So I'm stuck.
Have to order a new crank from Kawasaki($700) and send it to Muzzy, pay again and wait two months. And get it built again.
posted November 19, 2001 07:46 AM
madmike Mike,
I am still playing around with top end, no 1/4 mi yet. Going to 1/4 mike will mean breaking the chain to put on 17/50 so I wanna get the top end behind me first.
Seems I am having a problem with either the clutch or the rear tire slipping and I am capped out at 201mph on the gps. yesterday I tried a 43 (was 18/44 a week ago = 201) but that didn't help because all I got was 201 and the speed doesn't match the rpm.
so...
1. I will mount a Pilot Sport HPX; some say it has better big end traction. your thoughts??
2. I will shim the clutch springs to increase pressure on the plates UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS ME IT IS A REAL BAD IDEA.
what do you think???
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posted November 19, 2001 03:23 PM
? Hey dude, on the tire, man I dont know havent heard that one. and on the springs, first which ones do you have in there now? if you just have the Muzzy, then I would buy the Schnitz or get 3 more Muzzy and run all six strong springs, just for your test. that should keep them from slipping. and Ive heard of alot of people shimming their springs before. so I dont think your going to hurt anything unless your bottoming your spring out. but I dont think that will happen, well let us know how it goes, and I posted on busas the info for the High cap battery.
mad mike
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posted November 19, 2001 06:17 PM
I have 6 Muzzy springs in it now but 3 have 270 passes on 'em; don't know if it makes adifference. I will shim .050 like Frank Adams suggested and see what happens.
Goddamn it, for 20 years I have been saying all I want to do is go 200mph. Now I've done three 201 passes all I can think about is 203 or even 205. I am a fukken sicko ____________
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