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zzzzzxxxxxr12


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posted March 16, 2004 04:47 PM        
Coated Pipes

Has anyone here used a ceramic coating in or on your header pipes? I was thinking it would lower the water temps while idiling in the summer.
Any opinions, Here is a web site http://www.performancecoatings.com/headercoatings.html

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posted March 16, 2004 04:59 PM        
Had a fairly detailed previous post. Might want to search for it. If I remeber where it is, I'll get it in here. Swft probably knows. He knows everything....
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zzzzzxxxxxr12


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posted March 16, 2004 05:08 PM        
Thanks K Bryant. Calling Swift, can you save me?
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posted March 16, 2004 07:34 PM        
Freek! Can you find it? Don't make me type it all over again....
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colin


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posted March 16, 2004 07:58 PM        
I have had a coated pipe on an 02 and 03 zx12.The noticably differance was the air coming off motor,while riding,was cooler.Also, motor seems to run cooler.You can order the product to do it yourself from Tech Line coatings@909-304-0498.About $20.00 for 6 oz.-enough for about 3 sets of pipes!Tech Line supplies many of the shops that do the coatings-same stuff.Either way,you"ll be glad you did it. C.W.
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zzzzzxxxxxr12


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posted March 16, 2004 08:12 PM        
hey colin did u coat yours yourself? I looked at the web site and it say anyone can do it, but dont know if I am one of those anybodies, lol

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colin


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posted March 17, 2004 10:17 AM        
Been doing the coatings myself for years in my oven! I bought a hand held sand blaster ($45) a $20 airbrush,180 grit sand,acetone& an oven to bake the parts one hour at 500 degrees.Iwould practice the process on any piece of steel you find,before doing your pipe.With little practice your own work will be better than the two shops i've used in the past.Parts need to be polished after baking-steel wool,400 grit 600grit then polish with Flitz.good luck c.w.
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posted March 17, 2004 10:39 AM        
is this what u'r talkin about kbryant?

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If you are intent on taking advantage of this kind of theory/technology, get your headers/s-bend ceramic coated (like HPC). There does appear to be benefits to a 5 mil outside, 3 mil inside coating process, or something thereof. "Retaining" temperture on the inside, appears to help speed up the diffusion of the exhaust pulse. So getting it out faster, and not having undue "reversion" or slowing of the exhaust pulse packet, is a good thing. I think we're talking about mi-nute differences on all but the most extreme motors.


or this one

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Yes, lots. Just to keep this short. Though it reduces radiant heat externally, internal pipe temps increase. So it won't run "cooler" inside. The idea is similar to "header-wrap". Keep the temp up, so it continues expand and diffuse. That's not happy news to carbon fibre shells because it has less of a chance to cool before reaching the packing material/shell. HP increase is negligable on all but the most hotrodded motors. #1 selling feature is that the tubing does not discolor. That's why most people buy it. #2 is the outside temperture is reduced slightly (kinda like an invisiable heat shield). #3 is the "theory" of gaining power. Save your money. Buy a Ti or S.S. they look bitchin anyway when they discolor.

The car guys get reasonable gains (on the dyno) with it coated internally. But all are 400hp + race type motors. They don't have to worry about burning out mufflers, because many of the best mufflers are mechanical (Flowmaster, no glass). Also, the systems have much more volume and length and have more time to cool before reaching the muffler(s). A host of other reasons too, but I'll just stop there. We sell about 20% of our car headers with the "HPC/Embee" inner/outer coating process. We don't offer it on the motorcycle line. I just don't see the "performance" benefit.

There is nothing wrong with Carbon Fibre. But as has been posted before, it does require more attention/maintenance. Muzzy carbon is some of the best stuff.


that's all i could find without taking an hour searching.

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posted March 17, 2004 11:09 AM        
Freek - I never cease to be amazed by your skills. You are the man! I owe you lunch next time you're down here.
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frEEk


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posted March 17, 2004 04:59 PM        
no biggie, just used the search feature at the top of the page.

hope that lunch is non-perishable tho, it may take a while for me to join u!

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bikelover


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posted March 17, 2004 05:44 PM        
Guys, I insulated my header back to the last Y. Makes the air a lot cooler, but there is a down side. The muffler is now hot enough to F$#@. And it stays that way for a long time after you stop. I mean it is dangerous hot. I'm not sure it is worth it.
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posted March 20, 2004 07:32 AM        
just don't use them guys in Phoenix (forget the companies name?)

I know someone that had a Muzzys pipe for a ZRX destroyed, then they refused to make good on it. I think he's taking them to court right now...
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posted March 21, 2004 10:29 AM        
I had my stainless Muzzy Jet-Hot coated,they did a great job,still looks great after 1 year.Where my right boot melts on the pipe,it cleans right up with a little elbow grease and with a lil metal polish...the pipe sparkles,I would recommend it.I'm not a fan of the heat wraps,I have had bad experiences with the wraps in car applications.
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