Kawdawg
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posted January 02, 2002 01:50 PM
Any pics of Hans carbon snorkle?
Can anyone post pics of Hans carbon air snorkle or other carbon fiber parts from Hans
  
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zx12richard
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posted January 02, 2002 02:10 PM
http://www.zx-12r.org/Advertising/TNT/TNT.htm Not sure about this hope this link works..........
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FearsomeK
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posted January 04, 2002 06:35 AM
picture of snorkel in situ
Since putting it on, other 12s just dont look as mean. Everyone who has seen my bike with the snorkel, and subsequently come across another without it, have said the same thus far.
As for performance, i found it very effective. But without a perfect baseline, I cannot tell you more than it is definitely stronger than other piped 12s in my experience and by some.
here she is:
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fish_antlers
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posted January 04, 2002 08:36 AM
richard... you can go to the site that has the picture, right click on it for its properties, then use that with the image command.... also if you check the faq, you can make that link of yours werk by using the url command.....
anyways.. here's the picture:
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fish_antlers
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posted January 04, 2002 08:42 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 4 Jan 2002 09:20
Let me ask this..... since this has bothered me ever since this snorkel thing has been offered.... How can this aftermarket snorkel possibly make more HP than the stocker, which was developed by Kawi using years of engineering and testing etc etc....
granted it's a nice piece of werk, but isn't it just another bit of carbon fiber trick fluff to add to the carbon fiber snackets and widgets that already adorn your 12 (If you're still into that passe "early 90's" CF stuff  )?
There cant possibly be any real performace value to this item, other than a slight weight savings?
Someone tell me about it... and preferably not someone who may have their feelings hurt 'cuz they dropped a grand on it....
good morning!
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fish_antlers
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posted January 04, 2002 09:15 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 4 Jan 2002 09:21
sheesh... I feel like a twit.... I should have checked the site for this topic before I responded... well, suffice to say that the "search" feature of this site most DEFINELTY werks, and I pulled up about 5 threads talking about the "non-performance" of these snorkely thingees.....
but I'd still like some responses if someone has the time....
CF makes me think of gay things like CF ashtrays, CF colored decals for yer triple clamp... CF-ish tank pads etc etc etc etc  ...
if only the whole werld were made of CF!!!
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fish_antlers
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posted January 04, 2002 10:51 AM
what? no one wants to talk about this??
I can have a nice converstion with myself then...
hey... how's it going?
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fish_antlers
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posted January 04, 2002 10:51 AM
pretty good... thanks for asking
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entropy
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posted January 04, 2002 10:57 AM
Hey Fish! it wasn't a grand!! OK 1/2 a grand
I got one and did top end tests before and after the install. 201 before, 201mph after. Same conditions.
As I pointed out on another thread, there is an induction related mod, which was cost effective and really seemed to work.
I yanked my K&N's sprayed em liberally in brake cleaner to remove all oil, then used a shop vac to suck em off/give em a blow job.
Before and after at the 1/4 mi was 151.50mph with oily filters, 151.95mph with "clean" filters. These were not isolated one-run wonders, rather 2 trips to the track at least 3 consistent (mph-wise) passes.
Yah, yah, yah, "you idjit, dust in the engine...". I know, I know, but these days my bike is mostly at the track.
So, spend $500 for no apparent improvement, or 10 cents for nearly 1/2 mph improvement in Q mi.
It is interesting to note that taking my mirrors off added about 0.40 mph, about the same as the de-oiled filters.
Under the right conditions and PC3r tuning, the snorkle may add something, I just didn't see it.
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FearsomeKawasaki
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posted January 04, 2002 12:51 PM
entropy
KCadby's bike gained an extra 6hp over best yet after mapping the snorkel.
On my dyno, the map was perfect at the top end. I could change from gear to gear with 100% peak power, no fall off of any kind. The runs previous to the snorkel were crap in comparison but that was on a different dyno in different conditions so.....
At the track, I noticed a BIG difference. The times and top speeds were unreal relative to the seriously built bikes that had their arses handed to them on a plate that day. And by a Bone-stock engined 12R with a pipe, snorkel, lowering, quickshifter and pc3r.
Piped Busas of similar spec were over 10mph slower at the top end. The only difference from previous runs, where the margin was typically 3 to 4mph in the 12s favour, was a snorkel with map.
So....it worked for me. I took 0.4 off my 1/4 and added 7mph to my best top end that day. All the others there who usually attend these meets did EXACTLY the same as they always do.
Wasnt clutch slip thought to be a problem on the run with the snorkel? If it was, then nothing would have helped your bike go faster that day. Dont flame me, that was the last I heard of your top speed runs and the reasons why you couldnt get more than 201mph out of her.
FK
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entropy
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posted January 04, 2002 01:16 PM
FK
I'm not saying that the snorkle has no potential, sorry if it came accross that way. I'm saying I didn't see any improvement, BUT, BUT I am not tuned (PC3r) for it.
My clutch slip/tire slip issue was "solved" by shimmimg the clutch springs and a new Pilot HPX.
I would dearly love to wring the potential out of the snorkle that you have have done, but am currently trying to ride my 1361 to its base potential. It'll take a while till I need more power.
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madmike
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posted January 04, 2002 01:39 PM
FK, dude you picked up 4tenths?? Holy Cow man!!! dude are you serious? that is incredable, even if I only picked up 3 that would put me in the 9.2's dude that is incredable!!
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posted January 04, 2002 03:15 PM
Real Results
If you want to find out exactly what it can do make three 1-mile passes at the ECTA land speed racing event in Maxton/Laurinburg airport in North Carolina; then immediately install the Hans and run three back to back runs to compare; same day same conditions. If it picks up more than 1 MPH I will be impressed. Anyone interested in trying this? I don't have the $$$ to buy one just to "try" it unless they were to offer it to me just to do the comparison I will do a write up on it and post the results and send it back afterwards.
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djZX12
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posted January 05, 2002 06:50 AM
I think this says it all!
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sheesh... I feel like a twit....
CF makes me think of gay things like CF ashtrays, CF colored decals for yer triple clamp... CF-ish tank pads etc etc etc etc ...
if only the whole werld were made of CF!!!
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psycho1122
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posted January 05, 2002 07:52 AM
Why Dual Threads?
Redelk: can we posibly combine the two?!
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psycho1122
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posted January 05, 2002 07:55 AM
Paralleling Threads.
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johns
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posted January 06, 2002 06:52 AM
4 tenths man thats incredible
4 tenths is an eternity on the 1/4 mile. according to my race math it would take another 21 h/p to get you from a 10.00 to a 9.60 1/4 mile. this assumes that everything else is the same. if you got 20 extra h/p from changing the snorkel and remapping my hat is off to you, congratulations. i asked doug meyer about the limitation on h/p of the stock snorkel and ram air plumbing on another thread and the reply was that he (and i assume muzzy's) feels the stock inlet is about as well designed as possible and is capable of passing enough air for near 350 h/p. i suspect that the redesigned 2002 zx-12 inlet was done for aesthetics and is larger because it moved back into the leading edge of the fairing. the new location may not be as efficent so you need a larger opening. sure does look better though. until i see more convincing data i will spend my money on more effective things (longer swing arm and muzzy clutch basket). just my 2c worth.
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