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posted February 04, 2004 03:16 PM
WAAAAY OT! Al Sharpton!
If he was the Only candidate, I just would not vote! Saying this, I saw a few Debates and what really scared me was, He was actually making some sense. He was fairly well spoken and after watching, I could see how he is getting some votes. After thinking about all of this for a while, I realized that he was not doing that well, that the others were doing that badly! To me, the only good thing about Al Gore losing the election was not having to hear his voice. Kerry (While I have nothing against him) always speaks with (What I call) his "IMPORTANT" Voice. Un natural Deep and filled with authority. To me, this always means that they do not know what they are talking about! A Republican Senator in Virginia, John Warner (Once married to Elizabeth Taylor) always seems to use that exact same voice.
I watched the Learning Channel about Frogs and the one with the lowest Croke scared the others away. Are we just a bunch of small frogs in a large pond when we listen to them?
Even though one of the people is an "Attorney", I actually like to listen to him. He seems to Lie the least even if he is from the South! Not against Jews either, but I did not like Liberman's voice either! I think it goes without saying that the person in charge does not have a voice I want to hear either 
I wrote this not to start anything, but to voice my surprise that after hearing someone I truly do not care for, (Boy this is hard to say) that I actually enjoyed hearing what he had to say! 
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posted February 04, 2004 03:25 PM
If he was the only candidate, I would vote for him! Anybody that is not a communist, would be better than BUSH!!!
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posted February 04, 2004 04:31 PM
Not hating on the brother, but I'll say this
America is winning the war against Al Quadia, But losing the War against Al Sharpton.
Far as Bush is concerned! There ARE WMD in Iraq!!!!! Bush has the reciept for them!!
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posted February 04, 2004 04:59 PM
Easy Guys, I did not do this the bash Bush, but to admit that with as much Disdain as I have for the man, I had to admit that I could now understand how people could listen to him and even vote for him! All of this would have been impossible for me to believe just a few months ago!
What I extrapolated from this is I can now understand how Hitler could have moved his people! Something else I had no way to understand. I am not comparing the 2, but just the fact that someone really can sway you with words even with a mind against it! Be careful!
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posted February 04, 2004 05:33 PM
Hey Vince, all Politicians suck!!!
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posted February 05, 2004 06:01 AM
I second that crotchrocket, used car salesmen at there best.
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posted February 05, 2004 06:26 AM
I usually don't talk politics but........
Bush has some good & bad points for sure. On the good side, he will pray for you. On the bad side, it's while you are standing in the unemployement line!
Any person who enjoys the overtime money needs to look at what he's doing. Comp time (cuff leave) sucks.
Worse than that issue is that we are losing WAY TOO many soldiers overseas. I'm ready to see them all come home...Alive.
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posted February 05, 2004 07:26 AM
Dan, Please do not hurt me again! Amen on the troops coming home. To those that were not around during the Viet Nam War, the only difference is instead of 1 to 10 being killed a day, it was 10 to 100 being killed in a day. It had the very same feeling. The reason more are not being killed is they are wearing Bullet Proof Vest , so when you see injured, it means no arm or legs left!
Bring It On (The election, that is!) Hopefully Al Sharpton will not do to Kerry what "Mr Lets take a look under the Hood" did to Bush Sr.)
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posted February 05, 2004 04:12 PM
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Vince, I'm kind of in the same boat as you. Initially I thought the guy was a joke, silk sweat suits and all. But he's come a long way. After listening to him for a while, he's starting to make a lot of sense. To me he is the only candidate who seems to be speaking for the middle income/lower income America. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not rich!! I am concerned about the deficit, hi-tech jobs going overseas (I thing that one should concern a lot of us) and the growing cost of health care. I would give him an equal chance of running this country as the other candidates.
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posted February 05, 2004 04:16 PM
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Oh and BigJu, I hate to burst your bubble but we are not winning the war against Al Quaida, we've caused them to overcome and adapt their ways of operating...this could make them even more dangerous. If you're waiting for the war on terrorism to come to an end, pack a lunch and set up camp, we're in it for the long haul!
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posted February 05, 2004 08:29 PM
sharpton....he's pretty much a race/class baiter from way back. he's saying what he thinks he needs to say to try to get votes. his rhetoric hasn't changed, and, barring some extreme spiritual makeover, never will.
kerry, he's switched tongues so many times it isn't funny. this year he thinks there are no WMDs, no threat, hussein was the second only to the pope in nice people. in 1998 his story was opposite. heck last january his story was different
weasley clark...we all know what he is, the clinton's toy to prevent democrat form being in white house in 2008,when shrillary wants to run. clintons throw all upport behind clark, he gets nomination, then they gut his campaign by explaining what exactly the integrity issues were that caused THEM (the clinton administration) to fire his arse.
dean....he banked on the war being seen as wrong by majority, and the majority so far has told him they don't give a flip about what he thinks...
good riddance
about hte only one i am sorry to see go was lieberman, he's the only one that has stated continued support for fighting terrorism instead of appeasing those murdering bastards.
unfortunately the ones that rule the democratic party are not clearheaded individuals. granted he was anoying to listen to, but his story has been the same all along...NONE of hte rest can even come close to that claim
this election may very well shape the course of our country. but not because of who will be in the white house from 2004 until 2008. as long as the clinton fmaily is rabid over regaining control of the white house, this country is in deep sh*t. If Bush remains in office for 4 more years, and manages to screw the pooch asmany times in the next 4 as he has inthe last 4, we are doomed. because noone will care WHO the democrat is that is nominated, they'll be voting democrat as vendetta.
personally, i am tempted to vote dem this year just in the hopes that we can have an incumbent democrat in office in 2008. because heaven help us if hillary clinton achieves the throne in 2008....
blubyu: as far as al qaida goes, we ARE doing significant damage to what they can do. If those folks so much as stick their heads up to sneeze, they get nabbed. even in iraq (who, oddly enough wasn't in league with them, or so say many)
every thing that we do that limits their ability to get money, travel freely etc, is something that limits their ability to do grievous damage to america or any other non-islamic peoples.
yes,they can still find a way to do stuff, but any psychopaths can do the same. some american with a screw loose could park a tonne of explosives in front of any place they wanted to, and killa bunch of people.
But you cannot gaurd against every depraved moron.
that's where each person comes in to play, if people pay half as much attention to their surroundings as they did to the (un)covering of janet jackson's teat we'd be the safest people on earth.....
as for the troops, the sooner we canget the iraqis to set up their gov't and police forces the better. the sad thing is theones causing the ruckus are people who should know by now they will never get back in to power....
but they keep doing it becauseof their insatiable lust for power...
hrmm i hate politics....hehe
speaking of jobs and unemployment, nafta is rearing its ugly head again here locally. local carrier plant (build commercial air conditioners) is closing down. no doubt because the factory in mexico can build cheaper, and with no tarrifs....
this makes the 10th factory to close in the last decade. if it isn't unions taking over, it's mexico taking over. bah, and i say again, bah.
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posted February 05, 2004 09:21 PM
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speaking of jobs and unemployment, nafta is rearing its ugly head again here locally. local carrier plant (build commercial air conditioners) is closing down. no doubt because the factory in mexico can build cheaper, and with no tarrifs....
I really don't care anymore. The more stuff made overseas, the more stuff for me to haul around to the customers! Bring on the cheap Korean imports!
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posted February 06, 2004 03:19 AM
Fuck Al Sharpton
And that's all I got to say about that!
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posted February 06, 2004 06:01 AM
C'mon Harry, don't sugar coat things....Tell us how you really feel about Al :-)
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posted February 06, 2004 06:32 AM
Slug, good stuff! Scary isn't it that there is no one out there worth much! The worse part is, "WE" the voters make them that way. If you tell the truth, the voters are like women we go out with. If you tell them that "Yes, you want some of that Stanky, the will not go out with you! If you like and tell them that it is not about the Stanky, then you can get the Stanky!" If you get it the first time out, they are afraid of you and will not go out again. If you wait a few dates, then you can have it for good!
If the candidate says things are messed up and we cannot afford the tax cuts and need to pay our bills, then someone says we can have our cake and eat it too!
Harry, I do not give a Rats Hair for Al, I would not go to hear him speak if he was on my front porch (Marion Barry was right in front of my house with Riddick Bowe and asked me if I was going to vote? I told him that there was Nobody to vote for in front of the press! ALl I was saying was, that he is really telling it like it is and it is a shame that it is coming from someone that could not be elected Dog Catcher! I will say, that I never had "ANY" Respect for him and now I am all of the way up to I just do not care about him!
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posted February 06, 2004 01:49 PM
Al Sharpton
I'm not an Sharpton supporter nor a Sharpton hater....just that he's making sense, whether he means it or not. The pickings are getting pretty slim for presidency.
The companies are going out of the US to produce products cheaper, meaning that they're are lining their pockets at the expense of middleclass America. But are we not all hypocrites in some way? I know I visit Walmart and Targets, I try to stretch a dollar....but by stretching that dollar I'm supporting the very people I'm bitching about. It's getting pretty damn hard to walk into a store and find something that does not say "Made in China".
In an effort to make everyone feel a bit more safe, I'll reserve my comments on the War on Terrorism.
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posted February 06, 2004 02:14 PM
i know the made in china pain
after 5 years looking i finally had to buy a china-made shredder
bought the cheapest pos crosscut one, and i sentin the comment card
"reason bought:" i checked "other"
and wrote in: "couldn't find american made model"
at bottom, i wrote "please make these things IN America since you are Aurora corp of america. i would pay twice what this cost for an American made product"
better believe that'll never see the light of day ;p
as for the terrorism thing, we have seen 2 passings of 9/11 since the attacks, and as loudly as they proclaimed they would do something "even worse" nothing happened. is it because they are full of wind and BS? possibly. is it because we've made it harder to accomplish their agenda? possibly
or is it because in their eyes they won...because our freedoms have been limited and people are paranoid...and they delight in making threats and watching the scurry for cover...
granted all us infidels are not yet dead, so i am sure that there is still threat of bodily harm to each of us. but do i see another WTC-scale attack as probable? not at all. small scale nuisance stuff, yeh. but i think their resources are enough in a bind now that they can't afford to pay people enough to do the big nasty things they would love to do.
but that's just me ;P
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posted February 06, 2004 02:34 PM
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LOL
There was even a joke going around.
The Army had contracted a company in china to make their new black berets. When the Navy P3 went down in China, it's been said that when the Chinese Storm Troopers surrounded the plane, the Pilot of the P-3 Opened the door and said " We're here to pick up the berets"
But it's not only manufacturing jobs. We got a brief about technology a few weeks ago. Did you know what the average electrical engineer makes in china? between 5-9 thousand dollars per year!! What's the average EE make here? $45k maybe? Companies are going to start packing up and leaving in droves!!
Not going to blame it all on China either. India is another country we have to watch out for. These countries are investing in there education and infrastructure..When's the last time you heard about investment in Schools here.
I can go on and on....We had better wake up soon.
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posted February 06, 2004 02:39 PM
Blue and Slug, good stuff! Slug, I really like what you say but the reality is, Americans have gotten too soft and had it too good to the point that everyone hates us because we use up everything and piss away everything else and leave the scraps for the rest of the world! If I was in a Struggling country, I would Hate Americans also!
Worse than what you are saying is I really do not like how things are made here! I remember in the lat 70's and early 80's when Kawasaki started making the Mark II KZ1000 Models in Nebraska. We were happy to see American. About 4 years later, I was at the dealer and there were 2 black bikes sitting side by side. One was all faded and the other one looked like new. The new one was Older and you could see that it had been left outside because of all the rust on the bolts and Chrome joints. The Black one had very little rust in these areas. I askde the dealer what was the difference? He stated that the dull one was painted here and the other one was in Japan!
Has anyone ever found the Pilot Jet screws in their Carbs ever set at the correct or even same number of turns on a bike made here? I have checked the alignment on all of my Kawasaki's and every bike has the chain side pulled forward and usually not even on the factory marks!
What I am saying is, American work Ethic is getting so bad that I can see why they would want to leave! Otis may know something about this one, In Benton Harbor and St Joseph Michigan, was the Home for Matag products. They are called twin cities, but one is mostly Black and the other one is mostly white (St Joseph). Well the Workers in Benton Harbor decided that (in the late 80's and early 90's) that $17 per hour and all of the company benefits were not enough for driving the fork lifts and other non skilled jobs and they wanted $20 per hour. The Company offered $18 and a few more benefits. They went on strike and the company moved out of Benton Harbor and the place has been a stink Hole ever since! On the other hand, St Joseph is striving by comparison! Americans also shoot ourself in the foot too! We have met the enemy and he is us!
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posted February 06, 2004 03:28 PM
The enemy is not us(labor)! It is MANAGEMENT, & what they are taught in business schools!! In the typical business training programs, they are taught early on. Don't pay an employee what they are worth, pay them the LEAST amount where they will still stay! Why would any employee want to give superior performance for inferior pay? Management & owners are the greatest cause to blame, in ALL the labor & quality problems today!!
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posted February 06, 2004 04:27 PM
Can we say "Both"?? When Management was in charge, we had workers between 8 and 12 years old working 10 to 12 hours a day! Then when the unions were in chanrge, ( worked in a Union Shop), you have 2 grown men taking a part that weighs less than a pound because one is Management! Did either learn a lesson? No! Now that Management is back in force, Labor is treated like trash and expendable! Direction comes from the top! Any one see anyone pointing a finger for which way to go? (For all of us?)
Ross Perrott was correct! We have not only heard the giant Sucking sound, we can see it on TV! In Michigan, Electrolux just closed the factory of 2,500 in a town of 9,000 even after $73,000,000 in concessions which just could not compete with the $1.56 per hour in Mexico which will say them $80,000,000
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posted February 06, 2004 06:30 PM
Sounds like Electrolux is a prime example of corporate greed! What ever happened to making a reasonable profit? That is a big problem with the typical MBA thinking today, they want to gouge as much profit as legally possible!! Without any regard for the lives their decisions affect. Never met a MBA I liked! And I have met quite a few!
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posted February 06, 2004 07:41 PM
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Like I said, big corporations lining their pockets at the expense of middle america. This country is fastly becoming the country of Have and Have nots. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. And for the lucky few of us that are in the middle, they are trying to make sure we dissapear. Your gonna have to have a college education to make a decent living. But now they continue jacking up the prices for tuition, and cutting federal assistance. If your family can't afford to send you to college, you may not make it. And the gap expands!!!
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posted February 07, 2004 01:30 PM
Addison, you must know the guy that has the office next to me Also an MBA. He really lowered my opinion of them! Blu, You have just described the main cause for the fall of Socialism! When you try to share the wealth, the Original Have will take from the Original Have Nots and in the end, there will be Poor & Rich! In the UK, the Original Cast System was that the Poor had to stay poor and in their place. This and Religious Freedom is the main reason for this country! In the USA< the Poorest person is better off than 75% of the rest of the world! This is the only country People try to Break INTO! They are not trying to break into Mexico and the only reason they break into Canada is to get here!
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posted February 07, 2004 01:32 PM
hehe federal assistance is not being cut...
a spending "cut" for the government means that the spending increase built in to the program is reduced...
a spending "freeze" to a government program means not that they get the same amount they got last year, but that they are only going to get the same amount of spending increase built in to the program.
and of course, a spending increase means that the increase that was already there, will be larger..
federal assistance is available to those who meet the requirements, i think there is some moron who sells books about all the "free" money the government has that never gets distributed...he wears those stupid suits with the crap on them
sadly pumping more money into the government indoctrination system isn't going to fix the problem. they don't WANT it fixed. the more people that depend on the federal government for sustenance, the more power that same government holds over people. Besides, if the public school funding was the cause of the crap students we putout, then why are there still GOOD students? even in "bad" "failure" schools there are good students who do well. why? apparently money isn't the overriding factor. i'd say that a defeatist 'i'm at the bottom and i'mjust going to keep getting further down' attitude may be a large part of it.
face it, if you are in a job right now that could be profitable to move somewhere lese, you need to start planning NOW for it to go away, and start educating yourself on a new career path.
my job rightnow, it is headed south. i have been looking for a year now for another job, in slightly different industry, which cannot go south (power generation will never go away). so far i have my foot in the crack of the door, and hope to push the bloody thing open. my plan is to go from flunky pushing a toolbox around, to a nuke plant operator, which is a secure job for a long time.
if that doesn't pan out, i'll figure something else out. but the idea is to not just sit around and wait for the inevitable without planning.
no matter how many excuses are made, it eventually all returns to the individual, and their choices. if people choose to they CAN do anything. Like the students in those crap schools that succeed.
here's something funny i read in local paper. we have a large immigrant worker population here. 1/3 of the county is hispanic. they go to school in the normal high school. surprise, a lot of them don't do well. The article was discussing how little attention these students were given, no special treatment etc. and the attempts to force bilingual courses in school here. yet the described a student who in one year went from speaking no english, to the honor roll. why? because he worked his butt off....yet evenwith this example they said he was the exception rather than the rule. what's wrong then? is it the school's fault for not teaching? or is it the students' for not giving a flip about anything but being "cool"? it amazed and shocked me to read that article.
anyway you can continue to be at the bottom and getting lower, or you can do something with your life and move upward. personally i don't plan on being in the non-taxed majority in the next 5 years or so when the non-taxed people BECOME the majority. i plan on moving my situation up, not down. i don't plan on giving up and whimpering about how the greedy corporations are stealing from me. i plan on getting away from the professions that are likely to move next.
You cannot change where you came from. you cannot change who you're related to. you cannot change your history. but you have EVERYTHING to do with your future. to allow someone else to make those choices for you is, in my opinion, the road to ruin. it is also criminal to then blame those people for your lack of motivation.
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