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ninja14


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posted June 03, 2008 06:44 PM        
The old bike and stock seat is comfy enough (to me) to go 150..........that would be work.......
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posted June 03, 2008 08:02 PM        
Now if I could just con the wife into buying one for herself I could have one to play with.
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zx14mike


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posted June 03, 2008 08:40 PM        
The Zx 14 was rated at 190 hoirsepower i believe, the new VMAX is rated at 210, so assuming that the VMAX weighs roughly 120 pounds more and has 20 horsepower more, what would it take to be as quick in the 1/4 as the 14?

Smokin, Dubious etal correct me if i'm wrong but i would estimate that it would take roughly 15-20 horsepower to make up for the extra weight and around another 10 to make up for the shaft drive...........so assuming it has good 1/4 mile gearing and around a 62-64 inch wheelbase, i would guess it would take around 215-220 rated horsepower to equal a stock 14 and around 225-240 to beat a modded 14..............any opinions????????????

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ninja14


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posted June 03, 2008 08:52 PM        
I can't wait to see the dyno chart.......FAT TQ curve..........
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zx12adam


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posted June 03, 2008 08:59 PM        
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The Zx 14 was rated at 190 hoirsepower i believe, the new VMAX is rated at 210, so assuming that the VMAX weighs roughly 120 pounds more and has 20 horsepower more, what would it take to be as quick in the 1/4 as the 14?

Smokin, Dubious etal correct me if i'm wrong but i would estimate that it would take roughly 15-20 horsepower to make up for the extra weight and around another 10 to make up for the shaft drive...........so assuming it has good 1/4 mile gearing and around a 62-64 inch wheelbase, i would guess it would take around 215-220 rated horsepower to equal a stock 14 and around 225-240 to beat a modded 14..............any opinions????????????


It's a good thing peak hp isn't everything, or the current literbikes would demote the Busa/14 to touring bikes.

Where did you come up with the weight figures? A stock 14 is about 560, 120 more than that would be 680 pounds, almost 700 lbs!!! And it looks to have an aluminum frame, not the old stock steel job. 700 is a bit much, more than some current all steel cruisers.

If it has more torque, a broad torque curve(1800cc V-Four, hello!?), a broad hp curve of fat midrange leading up to 210 hp, a looong wheelbase, a very low center of gravity, optimum gearing(I don't see them putting on 220mph gearing) and enough tire to put the torque to the ground of course it could be faster than the current Busa/14/Literbikes to 60mph, 100 mph, and through the 1/4 mile. If they designed it to accelerate then I'm pretty sure they have the resources to make it accelerate.

The current (stock)Busa/14/Literbikes are held back by a high center of gravity and short wheelbase, this obviously isn't.

Why all the doubt before it even hits the road? Automatically dismissing something new just because it's not a sportbike is a bit close minded(Harley riders?).
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posted June 03, 2008 09:04 PM        Edited By: fish_antlers on 3 Jun 2008 21:05


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zx12adam


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posted June 03, 2008 09:16 PM        
Personally I hope it spanks the current Busa/14 in the 1/8 and/or 1/4 mile, it seems the Busa was sitting for almost a decade, unchanged, while it sat on it's laurels. The 14 was designed to barely beat the Busa. New Busa just matches the 14 so now performance is so close it seems Suzuki and Kawasaki has decided to just stop pushing performance. What's stopping them from building a 1500cc-2000cc sportbike or drag based bike with a long low stance now that the 186MPH limit is in place?


If it takes Yamaha and their cruiser(Muscle Bike) to light a fire under their ass then so be it, go Yamaha.
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posted June 03, 2008 09:19 PM        
Stock 14 DRY is 479, whereas the VMAX is about 600 DRY...so there would be a 120 LB difference, according to the printed specs anyway...
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zx14mike


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posted June 03, 2008 09:25 PM        
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The Zx 14 was rated at 190 hoirsepower i believe, the new VMAX is rated at 210, so assuming that the VMAX weighs roughly 120 pounds more and has 20 horsepower more, what would it take to be as quick in the 1/4 as the 14?

Smokin, Dubious etal correct me if i'm wrong but i would estimate that it would take roughly 15-20 horsepower to make up for the extra weight and around another 10 to make up for the shaft drive...........so assuming it has good 1/4 mile gearing and around a 62-64 inch wheelbase, i would guess it would take around 215-220 rated horsepower to equal a stock 14 and around 225-240 to beat a modded 14..............any opinions????????????


It's a good thing peak hp isn't everything, or the current literbikes would demote the Busa/14 to touring bikes.

Where did you come up with the weight figures? A stock 14 is about 560, 120 more than that would be 680 pounds, almost 700 lbs!!! And it looks to have an aluminum frame, not the old stock steel job. 700 is a bit much, more than some current all steel cruisers.

If it has more torque, a broad torque curve(1800cc V-Four, hello!?), a broad hp curve of fat midrange leading up to 210 hp, a looong wheelbase, a very low center of gravity, optimum gearing(I don't see them putting on 220mph gearing) and enough tire to put the torque to the ground of course it could be faster than the current Busa/14/Literbikes to 60mph, 100 mph, and through the 1/4 mile. If they designed it to accelerate then I'm pretty sure they have the resources to make it accelerate.

The current (stock)Busa/14/Literbikes are held back by a high center of gravity and short wheelbase, this obviously isn't.

Why all the doubt before it even hits the road? Automatically dismissing something new just because it's not a sportbike is a bit close minded(Harley riders?).



ZXAdam, i'm with you on this, i'm actually looking forward to this bike and considering getting one..............everything you said i agree with, i've said very similar stuff on previous posts..........as for my weight estimates, i assumed the ZX 14 weighed 505 dont ask me where i got that figure, but thats the estimate i used, i also assumed that the i remember the old VMAX weighing in at 620, and i assumed the new one would weigh about the same.

Bottom line i think the VMAX will weigh around 80-120 pounds more than the ZX 14 if the 14 weighs 560 then probably closer to 80...........i also think it will take roughly 15-20 horsepower to make up for that weight and around 10 or so for the shaft...........that said the stock 14 with flys in, stock wheelbase and gearing would probably be very close to a stock VMAX............when the mods come in is where the VMAX has more problems in my opinion, it is very easy to pull the flies, change the gearing, put on a full exhaust and cut 3o pounds on the 14 (which most people do) and extend the wheelbase and then the 14 is probably close to a 1/2 second to a full second quicker for some people.

Stock for stock the VMAX will certainly be competitive, possibly even quicker, with simple mods, dollar for dollar I think the 14 will be tough to beat unless the Max has 20-30 more horsepower than it is rated at.

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zx12adam


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posted June 03, 2008 09:27 PM        
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Stock 14 DRY is 479, whereas the VMAX is about 600 DRY...so there would be a 120 LB difference, according to the printed specs anyway...


I learned a long time ago "Dry advertised figures" are a joke not to be taken seriously.


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zx14mike


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posted June 03, 2008 09:30 PM        
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Personally I hope it spanks the current Busa/14 in the 1/8 and/or 1/4 mile, it seems the Busa was sitting for almost a decade, unchanged, while it sat on it's laurels. The 14 was designed to barely beat the Busa. New Busa just matches the 14 so now performance is so close it seems Suzuki and Kawasaki has decided to just stop pushing performance. What's stopping them from building a 1500cc-2000cc sportbike or drag based bike with a long low stance now that the 186MPH limit is in place?


If it takes Yamaha and their cruiser(Muscle Bike) to light a fire under their ass then so be it, go Yamaha.


+1 on that bro, i'm with you 110% on that one!!!!!!!!!

Can you say ZX 15 and 210 horsepower.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,seriously though, i'm hoping they make it a 1600 rather than an 1800 so when Kawasaki and Suzuki respond in a year or two Yamaha can up the ante again with a 230 horsepower 1800...........let the horsepower wars begin!!!!!!!!!!!!

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zx12adam


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posted June 03, 2008 09:33 PM        
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Personally I hope it spanks the current Busa/14 in the 1/8 and/or 1/4 mile, it seems the Busa was sitting for almost a decade, unchanged, while it sat on it's laurels. The 14 was designed to barely beat the Busa. New Busa just matches the 14 so now performance is so close it seems Suzuki and Kawasaki has decided to just stop pushing performance. What's stopping them from building a 1500cc-2000cc sportbike or drag based bike with a long low stance now that the 186MPH limit is in place?


If it takes Yamaha and their cruiser(Muscle Bike) to light a fire under their ass then so be it, go Yamaha.


+1 on that bro, i'm with you 110% on that one!!!!!!!!!

Can you say ZX 15 and 210 horsepower.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,seriously though, i'm hoping they make it a 1600 rather than an 1800 so when Kawasaki and Suzuki respond in a year or two Yamaha can up the ante again with a 230 horsepower 1800...........let the horsepower wars begin!!!!!!!!!!!!


Whatever the current displacement is gonna be it's already detuned down to 210 (crank)hp, they have prototypes of the current motor running almost 300 hp.
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zx14mike


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posted June 03, 2008 09:33 PM        
Well the 14 should have a WAYYYYYYY bigger tank than the VMAX.........but I doubt you can save 30 pounds on the Max from just changing the Exhaust either the 14's torpedos weigh a ton and most replace them and cut 30 pounds.
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zx14mike


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posted June 03, 2008 09:40 PM        
I picture the VMAX coming with a real fat 240 or so rear tire, low 1/4 mile gearing with an overdrive 6th, a long 62-64 inch wheelbase so it'll launch real nice.............but there is still that 80-120 pounds and shaft it has to make up for and when dealing with most of the 14's that are modded that go to the strip i see it needing 15-30 more horsepower than stock to beat the modded 14's.

Doesnt meaning i'm bashing the VMAX or doubting it.............like i said i'm real interested and am considering one............if yamaha makes the motor EASY to mod and get cheap horsepower and sets the chassis up right it could be a monster.

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posted June 03, 2008 10:02 PM        
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I picture the VMAX coming with a real fat 240 or so rear tire, low 1/4 mile gearing with an overdrive 6th, a long 62-64 inch wheelbase so it'll launch real nice.............but there is still that 80-120 pounds and shaft it has to make up for and when dealing with most of the 14's that are modded that go to the strip i see it needing 15-30 more horsepower than stock to beat the modded 14's.

Doesnt meaning i'm bashing the VMAX or doubting it.............like i said i'm real interested and am considering one............if yamaha makes the motor EASY to mod and get cheap horsepower and sets the chassis up right it could be a monster.



at a 15k list price you be real dumb buying a vmax as a dragbike ,,just look what 15k can purchase..lots of turbo stuff sells in that range with chain drives punching 275 rwhp
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posted June 03, 2008 10:08 PM        
is the price 15K?
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zx14mike


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posted June 03, 2008 10:12 PM        
from what it looks like 15,000-16,000 is what it might go for.
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ninja14


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posted June 03, 2008 10:38 PM        Edited By: ninja14 on 3 Jun 2008 22:40
Yamaha has made no claims..........they will release the bike tomorrow to be judged......

.....a bit over 12hrs from now.....so it seems........
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posted June 04, 2008 08:18 AM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 4 Jun 2008 08:19
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Yamaha has made no claims..........they will release the bike tomorrow to be judged......

.....a bit over 12hrs from now.....so it seems........




IS THAT 10;38 am.... WHO'S TIME... so is it late to its own intro...since it did take 10years to remod
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posted June 04, 2008 08:21 AM        
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Yamaha has made no claims..........they will release the bike tomorrow to be judged......

.....a bit over 12hrs from now.....so it seems........




IS THAT 10;38 am.... WHO'S TIME... so is it late to its own intro...since it did take 10years to remod ... its 1015 as i posted here bikelands time is 2 hrs behind my time

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posted June 04, 2008 12:45 PM        
Well i have weighed my zx14 at to different places 505 with about a gallon and a half of fuel ... The new Vmax is 680 pounds wet !!!!!!!!!!!! and it falls short of 200 HP at the crank ... It is long at 66.92 inches ... But that is not going to beat a zx14 or Busa ... It will mostlikey 0 to 60 good because of the wheel base ... But 680 pounds with a 180 pound rider you end up up with 860 pounds .....200 HP at the crank is not going to cut it ... Sounds Crazy but i would still like to have one ...
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posted June 04, 2008 01:12 PM        
I bet Fish's test model is already on its way.....
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posted June 04, 2008 02:51 PM        
The official release, including specs & pics:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=49&TID=39588

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1badzx12r


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posted June 04, 2008 02:58 PM        
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9.37/151 is the rumor......TQ monster....that would be somethin'..............have to see it to believe it though....









tell me again about 9.30's @151mph ....anybody
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posted June 04, 2008 03:54 PM        
I used to have the orig. 1985 model, then the 1995 mod. and was looking forward to the new one and like all the changes but $18,000 no way
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