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posted October 06, 2010 06:02 PM        Edited By: TedG on 7 Oct 2010 01:19
Okay fish.. I am betting you are wrong.. The bet is dinner at the Chart House in Laguna the next time we are both there. And the numbers have to be at least 5% higher for me to win, anything lower... you win. You up for it? Obviously real world numbers not what they publish. That means a rev limiter at greater than 12k.
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posted October 06, 2010 06:05 PM        
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you ready for this? non BS "hellforleather #'s"...


the real deal straight from Kawi...



US & Canadian model :

11,000 rpm redline

176hp no ram air
185hp ram air


Euro model

13,000 rpm redline

197hp ram air
207hp ram air



Don't know if those #'s are SAE or STD - also can't tell if they are rear wheel ... but they are FAT!


I doubt you have your "redline" #'s correct, Fish. Maybe that is where peak power comes, not redline.



This photo doesn't even show a 13k redline...much higher (assuming it is for Euro?). Also, no cutting edge 1000 has had an 11000 rpm redline in more than a decade. Please check your facts again....otherwise, well, you're getting thrown to the wolves if you are wrong...

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posted October 06, 2010 08:04 PM        Edited By: fish_antlers on 7 Oct 2010 03:14
Those numbers are public info quoted directly from kawasakis consumer sites - in fact Kawasaki quotes the numbers slightly higher but they are in ps and I have converted them to hp
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posted October 07, 2010 12:12 AM        
don't worry in 2012 you will be able to get a fully equipped one for 11k OTD...
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posted October 07, 2010 12:37 AM        
Hey fags you get what you pay for.If you want to go fast and want the best its going to cost you.This site is turning into the bmw zx 10 site.Alot of chatter about a bike that has not even reched the dyno yet.I rode 713 miles in two and a half days up the coast here in north cali with my buddy that was on the new bmw 1000 and in the end he never one time pulled me.The bike revs and sound like and old three cylinder 2 stroke with the pipe he had.Nice bike but more hype than speed and just an ok bike in the twistys so relax and learn to ride and tune what you have.
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posted October 07, 2010 02:11 AM        
That must be one hell of a 14 you have. You should bring it to the track some time .
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posted October 07, 2010 05:29 AM        Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 12:30
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Those numbers are public info quoted directly from kawasakis consumer sites - in fact Kawasaki quotes the numbers slightly higher but they are in ps and I have converted them to hp


Could you provide a link where the redline is shown? I didn't see it on the USA site.

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Shane661


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posted October 07, 2010 05:34 AM        
Here is what it says on the Canadian site:

PERFORMANCE

Maximum Power 131.7 kW {179.1 PS} / 11,000 rpm
Maximum Power with Ram Air 138.3 kW {188.0 PS} / 11,000 rpm
Maximum Torque 112 N.m {11.4 kgf.m} / 11,000 rpm

That makes no mention of the redline. It is where peak power occurs, just as I suspected.

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posted October 07, 2010 06:05 AM        
Not a Cinamans chance this thing will redline at 11 grand.
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posted October 07, 2010 08:17 AM        
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Here is what it says on the Canadian site:

PERFORMANCE

Maximum Power 131.7 kW {179.1 PS} / 11,000 rpm
Maximum Power with Ram Air 138.3 kW {188.0 PS} / 11,000 rpm
Maximum Torque 112 N.m {11.4 kgf.m} / 11,000 rpm

That makes no mention of the redline. It is where peak power occurs, just as I suspected.

Shane



you could be right - possibly a typo in info provided to us from Kawi... doesn;t really change a thing, though - does it? 22hp is 22hp no matter what the rpm is.
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Shane661


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posted October 07, 2010 08:26 AM        
quote:

you could be right - possibly a typo in info provided to us from Kawi... doesn;t really change a thing, though - does it? 22hp is 22hp no matter what the rpm is.


Actually if the redline truly were at 11k it would make a big difference. Particularly in the way the bike would have to be geared. Fortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case.

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posted October 07, 2010 08:32 AM        
they were very clear in their presentation (as was mentioned in the news story at the beginning of this topic) that the euro and US bikes are mechanically identical so the gearing should be the same. the restriction is electronic.
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posted October 07, 2010 08:43 AM        Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 15:44
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they were very clear in their presentation (as was mentioned in the news story at the beginning of this topic) that the euro and US bikes are mechanically identical so the gearing should be the same. the restriction is electronic.


That is what I am getting at. If the gearing is the same, you know the redline won't be 2000 rpm different.

In top gear, a sport bike might see 1.5 mph per 100 rpm. So, chew on that.

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posted October 07, 2010 09:03 AM        Edited By: fish_antlers on 7 Oct 2010 16:28
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That is what I am getting at. If the gearing is the same, you know the redline won't be 2000 rpm different.

In top gear, a sport bike might see 1.5 mph per 100 rpm. So, chew on that.


the top speed of both versions would be electronically limited so that's a moot point as well.


are you now denying all of these limitations? You can check various other publications who are now also running this story (autoblog etc) ...

and again - now you are simply being a twit - the euro model peak is 13,000 rpm listed clearly (as I have mentioned previously)) on their website and the can/us model is listed at 11,000 rpm listed clearly on their website - that's all public info and the last time I checked 13,000 rpm minus 11,000 rpm is 2,000 rpm difference.

do you need me to help you surf the internet and manually move your mouse over to click on kawi's various consumer sites for you?

I am sure there are a number of state and county colleges that offer a course in this basic operation of the web and your personal computer



I have to go back to work and dont have time to go around in circles with you about pointless stuff - the US bike is restricted - find a way to fix it for all of us that doesnt mean buying a new ecu - that's what you should be focusing on

chew on that.
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posted October 07, 2010 09:43 AM        Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Oct 2010 16:57
Again Fish, you are talking crazy.

You are the one that made the claims about the redline being 11000 rpm, not me. You have now changed your posts to state that it is the "power peak", and not the redline, as you originally stated. Apparently you made this change based on information that I posted from the Canadian Kawasaki website.

Thank you for correcting your error.

As far as the speed being electronically limited, that is independent of the gearing issue I am referring to. Apparently you don't understand how gearing affects acceleration, speed capability, and why you would have to change it to compensate for 2000 less rpm.

Shane

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posted October 07, 2010 10:12 AM        
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Again Fish, you are talking crazy.

You are the one that made the claims about the redline being 11000 rpm, not me. You have now changed your posts to state that it is the "power peak", and not the redline, as you originally stated. Apparently you made this change based on information that I posted from the Canadian Kawasaki website.

Thank you for correcting your error.

As far as the speed being electronically limited, that is independent of the gearing issue I am referring to. Apparently you don't understand how gearing affects acceleration, speed capability, and why you would have to change it to compensate for 2000 less rpm.

Shane




- did you not read my post? it said there was a typo in the email we received and we corrected it - that doesnt change the 2000 rpm difference, does it??


forget it shane - I am too busy to be fished by you.

solve the problem for all of us and uncork the bike.


thanks


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Shane661


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posted October 07, 2010 10:21 AM        
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- did you not read my post? it said there was a typo in the email we received and we corrected it - that doesnt change the 2000 rpm difference, does it??



I never disputed the 2000 rpm difference in peak power. It was the redline that I was questioning. Again, thank for your correcting the incorrect information that you posted.

Now, as for derestricting the bike...I am sure that Brock and others will be working on that....if they aren't already.

Shane

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posted October 07, 2010 08:29 PM        
so who;s buying one?
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posted October 07, 2010 08:33 PM        
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That must be one hell of a 14 you have. You should bring it to the track some time .

The advantage the 14 has is tons of low end TQ. Unless the BMW is running at high RPM most of the time, the ZX will pull it on roll-ons all day long at most speeds. Add a few mods to the sprockets on the 14 and the BM's toast.
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posted October 07, 2010 10:14 PM        
mods here mods there..how about straight stock from purchase is the real test...
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posted October 08, 2010 04:38 PM        Edited By: dubious on 8 Oct 2010 23:43
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so who;s buying one?


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NO PROBLEM

The lack of torque is no problem, since its 150 lbs lighter than a 14.

95 % chance I WILL be BUYING a 2011 ZX10
Did it get the lever valvetrain? I missed that information.

Have they released prices yet?


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posted October 08, 2010 04:40 PM        
You guys think Stevie Wiffle will buy a 20011 ZX10???


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posted October 08, 2010 04:45 PM        
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That is the best looking bike in a decade.


I agree completely
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posted October 08, 2010 05:26 PM        
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so who;s buying one?




Nope, maybe another 14 . This time a Conky with ABS. Will need a larger garage.
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posted October 10, 2010 03:41 PM        
vote in the poll!


http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=58246&set_time=1286730718
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