MotoCycho
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posted June 17, 2013 12:47 PM
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need titanium header welded
I have a Muzzy M14 header for a Gen 1 that got cracked along the welds on the top and bottom of where the primary tubes go into collector. I know Muzzy would repair it.. but last time I sent the header to them to fix it they did a great job but I feel they over charged me a bit. This is literally 2 small straight welds.. 1 is maybe 1" and the other not even that. There is no gap and should be about 10 minutes work for someone setup to weld titanium. Can't find anyone local that is willing to touch it. Can anyone recommend a shop I can ship the header to?
  
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posted June 17, 2013 03:01 PM
I ended up having to send my Ti (fabrication and welding) work to the friggin KTM Superbike operation in Italy!! No one in N/A would touch it either........IMO if Muzzy will do it, send it - cheaper then replacing a melted pipe.
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posted June 17, 2013 03:22 PM
Edited By: hagrid on 17 Jun 2013 23:24
Ti isn't difficult to TiG. See in the pic how they are backfilling the runner with inert gas? Probably Argon.
A good shield is necessary to prevent oxidation... Ti loves oxygen. Oxygen rich Titanium is very brittle. The finished weld should be dull silver or at most, straw colored. Blue, brown, or black after welding is a grind-out and redo.
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posted June 17, 2013 06:15 PM
The boys at KTM told me this took quite awhile. They had to weld the fabricated Ti EGT mounts to the Ti header in stages, I guess to keep it cool. Beautiful job.
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posted June 17, 2013 06:31 PM
Well if its a "one off" and there isn't a fixture then sure its going to be difficult to maintain locations. Heat = distortion.
It does look like they did well. Just puzzling no-one here wanted the job. If nothing more than notoriety.
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posted June 17, 2013 10:15 PM
Edited By: MotoCycho on 18 Jun 2013 06:16
Hum.. all good info. I guess I'll get some pics and send them to Muzzy and see what they say. I know they can do it cuz they rebuilt the collector once for me after the O2 bung tore out. Learned the hard way to apply anti-seize.
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posted June 18, 2013 07:19 PM
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Hum.. all good info. I guess I'll get some pics and send them to Muzzy and see what they say. I know they can do it cuz they rebuilt the collector once for me after the O2 bung tore out. Learned the hard way to apply anti-seize.
don't look like rocket science to weld being that's a steel bung . looks like nothing 7018 couldn't fix
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posted June 18, 2013 10:46 PM
Edited By: MotoCycho on 19 Jun 2013 06:46
Well... only the plug is steel. the bung is titanium. That said.. this was the previous break, not the current weld I need. This was already fixt up by Muzzy... they completely cut that BS out and welded in a thicker patch which the bung is in. Anyway.. same header.. but new cracks. Sorry for the confusion. Maybe tomorrow I'll get some new pics just to give this thread clarity?
Weld titanium? Anyone?
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posted June 19, 2013 11:00 PM
! Can do this weld job for you.. Not a problem
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posted June 20, 2013 11:11 AM
Hi Gunner,
Sure.. would be awesome if you could tackle this. I'll send you a PM.
Here is actually what is needed... weld over two cracks... top and bottom of the collector:
the Bung crack was repaired a couple years back by Muzzy.
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posted June 20, 2013 10:37 PM
I can't see the cracks in the pictures... Are both accessible? If so like I said it's no problem at all..
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posted June 20, 2013 11:42 PM
Hi Gunner,
Yes.. both cracks are completely accessible. I pushed the tubing down so the cracks are as closed as I could get them.. should make for an easy weld in capable hands. I sent you a PM with my email address to work out the details on shipping, payment etc. Please reply via email. I am very motivated to get it sent your way and greatly appreciate your offer.
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posted June 24, 2013 10:42 PM
Hi Gunner,
Still have not heard from you on this. Sure would love to get this repaired. Can you check you PM and email me?
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Gunner
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posted June 25, 2013 09:43 PM
Sorry I haven't been on here in several days.. Shoot me that email again. I'll check back over the next couple days and get back to you once I get that email address. This won't take but a day to turn around now that I know the area's are accessible without having to disassemble the tubes to reach them. I see the cracks now also...
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posted June 26, 2013 05:58 AM
Quote - "don't look like rocket science to weld being that's a steel bung . looks like nothing 7018 couldn't fix"
Remember now, you can't weld steel or anything else to Ti except Ti. The different metal cooling properties will crack the weld.
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posted June 26, 2013 06:24 AM
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Quote - "don't look like rocket science to weld being that's a steel bung . looks like nothing 7018 couldn't fix"
Remember now, you can't weld steel or anything else to Ti except Ti. The different metal cooling properties will crack the weld.
Cliff
"I" would give it a shot before "I" send anything off . its crack already so I guess i couldn't do any more harm than it already has..
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posted June 26, 2013 08:56 AM
Moto.....If you need a Ti bung (they're cheap) for your Ti pipe, Muzzy has them available. I've also got one you can have, depending on where you live. cliff@randallsearch.com
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MotoCycho
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posted June 26, 2013 10:07 AM
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Moto.....If you need a Ti bung (they're cheap) for your Ti pipe, Muzzy has them available. I've also got one you can have, depending on where you live. cliff@randallsearch.com
Cliff
Hi Cliff,
Well.. we have one thing in common... I didn't read your thread either. 
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posted June 26, 2013 02:50 PM
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Hi Cliff,
Well.. we have one thing in common... I didn't read your thread either.
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posted June 26, 2013 03:36 PM
No worries.
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MotoCycho
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posted June 26, 2013 04:02 PM
Just messin with ya.. all in fun.
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posted July 18, 2013 02:55 PM
Bump
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posted July 18, 2013 04:00 PM
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Bump
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Yes, Thanks to Gunner and http://koolsolutions.net/. All fixed and good to go. Looks great too.
Thanks again Gunner.
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posted July 18, 2013 09:27 PM
You are welcome Sir. Like I said it was a piece of piss to repair to borrow my Canadian wife's words. That's Canadian for there wasn't anything to it for those that were like I was when I heard that and said " Huh?"
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