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Cirilo07ZX


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posted October 22, 2012 06:02 AM        
Newbie question about nitrous

Im looking to buy the muzzy air shifter for my 07 zx14 and i also see that they have a package deal on nitrous when you buy the shifter. I am completely green about spray, can someone tell me the pros and cons of running a dry nitrous kit on a stock internal 07zx14... any info will be appreciated

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joseph702


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posted October 22, 2012 06:13 AM        
id stay 50 shot and under , gata run 93 octane fuel, tune it for the shot and spray bar work best i think. i have a 30 shot and motor loves it =)
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Cirilo07ZX


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posted October 22, 2012 06:24 AM        
nice nice thanks for the fast response,, i been told that you have to change the spark plugs after a good amount of use, is this true ? im slowly setting my zx14 for drag racing and i want this air shifter to make launching alot easier
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joseph702


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posted October 22, 2012 06:46 AM        
I'm not sure but I know over 50 u pull timing .
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Cirilo07ZX


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posted October 22, 2012 06:48 AM        
Well i was told by ppl that never ran spray, so thats why im here lol... So 30 shot will be safe for the motor ? i just dont want to blow shit up

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kawasakijockey


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posted October 22, 2012 08:07 AM        
I have the Muzzy nitrous/shifter kit on mine since 08 and it has been pretty damned reliable. The 30hp with 93 pump will be pretty safe.
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Bishopzx12


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posted October 22, 2012 10:57 AM        
I don’t know how much money the muzzy combo kit cost these days but when i bought mine in 06 it was about 1100-1200 bucks. In my opinion buy yourself an MPS spyder kit nitrous system (Better nitrous distribution) and a good air shifter from someone like spencercycle and cut some of your cost probably just about in half. You can mount an external air tank under the rear of the bike but if you have a swing arm with a built in air tank you can use that one. You can get an onboard compressor form Harbor freight for about 6 bucks an mine has worked well all summer. For that price I bought two of them just to have a spare on track days. This is just my opinion. However keep into account I already had a swing arm with a built in air tank. Heck with the savings you may be able to have about half the money left over for a swing arm.
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izmuk


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posted October 22, 2012 12:21 PM        
i was thinking about the muzzy combo as well but after looking into it i think bishop has the right idea you can get an air shifter and a nos set up with auto shift and a switch for changing to a nos map on the fly and it would be less than the muzzy with out auto shift and switch for changing map. my confusion about nos is how do you get the tune for the nos? do you have to dyno the bike while running nos at all higher rpm's or do you just map for wot? if you can rum nos by a switch can you use it at lower rpms? i am looking at a 25-30 hp nos and i would like to use it on the street and track. my motor is stock, would i get by with stock springs? last question does the nos kits that spray into the air box work like they say and change the fuel from the cold nos going past temp sensor in air box???
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smokinZX14


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posted October 22, 2012 01:07 PM        
Muzzy kit is ok .. keep it at 30 shot ... Better yet dyno tunes twin nozzle kit ... Put the nozzles in the ram air tubes before the air filter ... Use the 30 shot .. Take your stock map and add 12% fuel at 90% and 100% throttle 6000 RPMs and up.. Use a throttle switch at the throttle bodys to turn on the Spray at 100% only .. This way you allready have extra fuel going into the motor at 90% before the spray hits .. This makes for a soft hit at first turn on and builds slower to the full 30 shot .. You can get the spray on quicker because the hit is softer .I use a cheap LED light on the dash to know when i'm full throttle and the bike is on spray , this way you can come out of the hole at 99% throttle and not trigger the spray and when you are ready twist the throttle the last 1% and hang on ..I was hitting mine just before i hit second gear .... I have used this set up on 3 ZX14s and never had a single problem .. I'll see if i still have the set up pictures and post them here later ..
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smokinZX14


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posted October 22, 2012 01:14 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 23 Oct 2012 03:14
Throttle switch .. Sorry i don't have the pictures of the nozzles hook up any more but they go right into the left and right ram air tubes , just drill a hole and install them . Real simple set up ..


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Bishopzx12


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posted October 22, 2012 01:14 PM        
Yes the a/f does change with fogging the air box. I ran many bottles of no2 through the motor of my 2003 ZX 12 however I would get it tuned for nitrous and a street map tune using the switch swapper you can have the best of both worlds. You can have1 good map on motor on the street and when you want to spray switch maps and have fun on the street or track on spray. You can spray the nitrous at any time it all depends on how you have it wired. On my 12 I had a toggle switch to arm the system and my starter button was to sprAy that was because the air shifter was on the horn. On my 1000 it was on the horn because I did not have an air shifter. On my 14R Iam using a nitrous controller
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Bishopzx12


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posted October 22, 2012 11:02 PM        
Yes the a/f does change with fogging the air box. I ran many bottles of no2 through the motor of my 2003 ZX 12 however I would get it tuned for nitrous and a street map tune using the switch swapper you can have the best of both worlds. You can have1 good map on motor on the street and when you want to spray switch maps and have fun on the street or track on spray. You can spray the nitrous at any time it all depends on how you have it wired. On my 12 I had a toggle switch to arm the system and my starter button was to sprAy that was because the air shifter was on the horn. On my 1000 it was on the horn because I did not have an air shifter. On my 14R Iam using a nitrous controller
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1999 ZX11
2000 ZX12R 1270
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Cirilo07ZX


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posted October 23, 2012 04:03 AM        
Thanks for all the info guys !! MUch appreciated, this site is well alive and alot of feed back comes quick, just one question and might be a stupid one,, i know the air shifter will be on the horn, and some say the nos button is the ignition button, how does this operation work ?

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Bishopzx12


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posted October 23, 2012 06:07 AM        
quote:
Thanks for all the info guys !! MUch appreciated, this site is well alive and alot of feed back comes quick, just one question and might be a stupid one,, i know the air shifter will be on the horn, and some say the nos button is the ignition button, how does this operation work ?



If I were you and depending on what kit you have I would utilize two toggle switches. One toggle switch to arm the air shifter and one to arm the nitrous. This way you can still hit the nitrous on the street and do not have to worry about the shift feature engaging if you have to use your horn at high speed or once you slow down. It easy to forget to flip those toggles when after all the funny. also be aware that when not using a WOT switch you can sometime fog the air box with nitrous with the starter button if you forget to flip the switch back from nitrous to the start feature. If this happen let the bike sit so that the nitrous can dissipate. If you immediately try to start her you can hurt the engine
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1999 ZX11
2000 ZX12R 1270
2002 GSXR 1000 "I was Drunk"
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Newf14


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posted October 23, 2012 11:32 PM        
I have been shooting e mails back and fourth to Dynotune about there kit. they told me: No power commander needed for 30-40 with the nozzles mounted in the air box.....if you mount in the ram air tubes you will need to use a larger shot like 60HP and add more fuel via the commander to gain 30HP.....
They are saying that mounted in the air box and the spray goes accross the air temp sensor it will add fuel on its own up to 30-40 hp spray......

Like to hear what others think I am going with there kit if I get one.

Newf14

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Superman T


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posted October 24, 2012 03:16 AM        
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Muzzy kit is ok .. keep it at 30 shot ... Better yet dyno tunes twin nozzle kit ... Put the nozzles in the ram air tubes before the air filter ... Use the 30 shot .. Take your stock map and add 12% fuel at 90% and 100% throttle 6000 RPMs and up.. Use a throttle switch at the throttle bodys to turn on the Spray at 100% only .. This way you allready have extra fuel going into the motor at 90% before the spray hits .. This makes for a soft hit at first turn on and builds slower to the full 30 shot .. You can get the spray on quicker because the hit is softer .I use a cheap LED light on the dash to know when i'm full throttle and the bike is on spray , this way you can come out of the hole at 99% throttle and not trigger the spray and when you are ready twist the throttle the last 1% and hang on ..I was hitting mine just before i hit second gear .... I have used this set up on 3 ZX14s and never had a single problem .. I'll see if i still have the set up pictures and post them here later ..


Lee- do you recommend this setup for daily riders and those who would like to toggle off if riding 2 up?

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kawasakijockey


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posted October 24, 2012 11:09 AM        
quote:
I have been shooting e mails back and fourth to Dynotune about there kit. they told me: No power commander needed for 30-40 with the nozzles mounted in the air box.....if you mount in the ram air tubes you will need to use a larger shot like 60HP and add more fuel via the commander to gain 30HP.....
They are saying that mounted in the air box and the spray goes accross the air temp sensor it will add fuel on its own up to 30-40 hp spray......

Like to hear what others think I am going with there kit if I get one.

Newf14
Thats not going to be smart or safe. You will need to add 10-12% fuel for a 30 shot.
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2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost

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Newf14


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posted October 24, 2012 11:54 PM        
quote:
quote:
I have been shooting e mails back and fourth to Dynotune about there kit. they told me: No power commander needed for 30-40 with the nozzles mounted in the air box.....if you mount in the ram air tubes you will need to use a larger shot like 60HP and add more fuel via the commander to gain 30HP.....
They are saying that mounted in the air box and the spray goes accross the air temp sensor it will add fuel on its own up to 30-40 hp spray......

Like to hear what others think I am going with there kit if I get one.

Newf14
Thats not going to be smart or safe. You will need to add 10-12% fuel for a 30 shot.


I didnt think so.....I took a two bros map and added 12% from 80-100% throttle 6000rpms and up will this be fine for the 40 as well......or if I go with it just have a check on the plugs as well?

Newf14

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Newf14


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posted October 27, 2012 06:35 AM        
I was wondering if I upgraded to a PCV and auto tune and set the tune for NOS AFR will this work??

Newf14

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cliffrandall


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posted January 03, 2016 05:40 AM        Edited By: cliffrandall on 3 Jan 2016 13:07
No, the PC5 AT is too slow for juice measurement.....I added 15pts for an 'abbreviated 45rwhp Muzzy shot (went up 2 sizes on the Muzzy n2o jet) and pulled 3 degrees of timing all at 8,000rpm at 80 & 100% of throttle, on the 2013 Muzzy Kawasaki ZX14HT Project. Works great on a 50/50 mix of VP Fuel C12 and pump gas 87 octane, for an average octane on 99.
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