Bishopzx12
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posted September 04, 2012 03:31 AM
Nitrous Controllers
Okay guys my MPS spyder kit should be here today. All I need now is to buy a bottle bracket and a good NOS controller which brings me to my next question. I know most of the controllers do the same thing. However I have two in mind and want to get some insight form you guys.
The NOS 2 stage mini I currently use on my car and it had worked flawlessly. It is also like $80 less on Amazon than the new schnitz controller and they both seem to do the same thing. Here is where I am a little funny the NOS 2 stage mini had a little digital box that come off and on. It easy to keep track with a car but I am wondering with a bike would it be a problem. If lost you would have to buy another one for $50 but luckily I have one on my car but it s just the thought that bother me.
Here are the two I am considering all opinions welcomed
Schnitz
http://www.schnitzracingstore.com/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=5218033&showprevnext=1
Nos mini
http://www.amazon.com/Sniper-15974NOS-2-Stage-Progressive-Controller/dp/B000LWID7Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346758213&sr=8-1&keywords=nos+2+stage+mini
The schnitz just seem like it would be less of a hassle and more suite for mountin on a bike..
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chromedout12r
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posted September 04, 2012 04:01 AM
I have one I can sell you that is better than both. I am buying the Firestorm money back guar if it does not work when you connect it. Scroll down to Schnitz NC-2000 used this year only about 5 passes on it.
http://www.dragbike.com/news/11-01/n2o_compare.htm
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SteddyTeddy
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posted September 04, 2012 05:18 AM
If you want to save a little money I have an Edelbrock NOS controller I would like to sell. Model 71900.
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quick6
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posted September 04, 2012 09:21 AM
get the daytona nc2. it does everthing those will do plus more. it also data logs.
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MotoCycho
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posted September 04, 2012 10:32 AM
I run the Nos mini. Used two way 3M VHB tape to stick the hand held controller to the steering head. Been there since May and hasn't been an issue.
I can take some pics if you want. Here is the VHB stuff:
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Product/Bonding-Tapes/VHB-Tape/
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Bishopzx12
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posted September 04, 2012 10:50 AM
Motochycho please email me some pictures. I like the nos 2 stage mini as said before i have it on my car i was just wondering about using it on the bike. Please email pics to labishope@Hotmail.com
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2002 GSXR 1000 "I was Drunk"
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06redzx14
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posted September 04, 2012 11:31 AM
mini. the nc2 requires a computer when you want to make changes. high end PNC3000 or NMS 1000
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Bishopzx12
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posted September 04, 2012 11:47 AM
Im starting to lean toward the mini beside i have expereince with it, and i save 100 bucks but dam the schnitz one look sso good
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MotoCycho
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posted September 04, 2012 03:06 PM
Here ya go:
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MotoCycho
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posted September 04, 2012 03:20 PM
 Edited By: MotoCycho on 4 Sep 2012 23:22
Couple things you have to keep in mind on the NOS mini.
1) if you use the RPM window switch feature you will need to use the 2 cylinder wiring option and set the RPM windows at half. For example, 4000 on the Mini = 8000 actual RPM. 5500 = 11000.. you get the idea. You must do this because the Mini has a max RPM of 9900... not exactly motorcycle friendly. 
2) if you want to pull timing the NOS mini can send a ground to another device, either instantly or delayed.. since you have one you know this.. but if your timing device requires a 12volt signal instead of a ground, such as an MSD SB6, this becomes a bit tricky. You can use a relay of some sort. I have an electronics wizard friend that was able to build me a trigger box that works off the clutch switch to start Stage 1 then switches to stage 2 after the gear shift from 1st to 2nd when ground is supplied at my horn button when my air shifter is also triggered of course. It basically completes the TPS signal circuit to the Mini and of course also send 12v to the SB6 and also closes a Map change switch for the PCV. Pretty cool shit he built.
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Bishopzx12
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posted September 04, 2012 03:44 PM
Great pick and good info. I tell you though now that you told me about the TPS thing it makes me want to go with the schnitz one becasue in the middle of a grudge race or preppng the bike for one my dumb behind would probably forget that RPM are at half. Just in case i get it to activate at 5000 RPMS i woulh have to set it 2500 or 2.5 on the controller
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chromedout12r
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posted September 04, 2012 07:07 PM
Moto how do you like the sb6 box? Do you use 2 step and does it work well? Sorry to Jack your thread Bishop?
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MotoCycho
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posted September 04, 2012 09:26 PM
Edited By: MotoCycho on 5 Sep 2012 05:32
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Moto how do you like the sb6 box? Do you use 2 step and does it work well? Sorry to Jack your thread Bishop?
The SB6 does everything MSD claims it does. -20 to +6 degrees timing set by RPM curve, step retard from trigger signal, or sensor input trigger. Ignition controlled 2-step with 7 point programmable lunch curve out to 2.5 seconds with output shaft trigger for delayed start of the curve. Fully configurable ignition kill for air shifter with programmable delay. Shift light with dimmer control and gear independent shift points. Over rev to 12k. 14 seconds of data logging from 1-3 seconds before clutch switch triggered if RPM reaches at least 8000.
If you are looking for a way to control your launch the SB6 can do it. I wish there was more information out there about what others are doing to be quicker with the launch curves. If I bracket raced I could program it in a way I'd be deadly consistent but then I'd never be getting better. I fully understand how to program the SB6, including the launch curves.. I just don't know what curve works best. MSD doesn't really give you anything to go on and there is nothing out there that I have found to give you a head start or even a guess at what would be a good thing to even try.
The sad truth is I suck. Well, and I am way too heavy to really be competitive as a motorcycle drag racer. Add to that I am running at a track where a good DA is 4200 ft and a normal DA is 6500. I don't get enough practice and I am total pussy. I am embarrassed to even tell you what my 60s are.
Even if you have no interest in the 2-step and launch curve feature, all the other features still make the SB6 a great deal and perfect for a street-able to heavily modified ZX-14 drag bike. Basically any zx-14 you are still running a factory ECU in.
Side note, I am pretty sure I could wire the SB6 into any bike that had a 12k or less red line, and the same type of ignition, stick coils, as the 14. You might have to cut a wire or two at the coil connectors but it doesn't do anything that would make it exclusive to the 14 from what I can tell. Disclaimer tho.. have not tried it on another bike.
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Bishopzx12
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posted September 05, 2012 03:02 AM
No worries on the Jack i was jsut gogin to pick his brain on the same thing,lol.. Great info here
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posted September 05, 2012 08:40 AM
the only issue I have had with the SB6 was low voltage while cranking the motor. the SB6 wont fire correctly. Lee saw that on the stroker motor ,,, the motor had alot of compression and it turned over slowly and battery voltage dropped to under 10 volts.
After I went to a 24v starting system , it works fine. and there is room for 2 batteries in the frame :-)
Roy
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debo33
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posted January 27, 2013 11:16 PM
Moto I'm a heavier rider myself and I do bracket race. ..I'm only going to use a sixty shot of Nos. Do u think I would need the sb6 and. How would I go about wiring this system up w a mini mps and PVC. What. Would be tht. Signal. That would make my PVC. Switch maps. And spray thru out my run... Thanks
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debo33
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posted January 27, 2013 11:24 PM
PS rt now my starter is the signal or trigger that makes the system spray. Will this also allow a change n my PC so the maps will. Change. ..I have a wire currently in place to cut the signal. In the PC. Can the mini b figured into. The picture
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MotoCycho
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posted January 28, 2013 12:05 AM
Edited By: MotoCycho on 28 Jan 2013 10:11
Hey Lonnie,
I can't tell you for sure if you should or shouldn't use an SB6 cuz I don't know all the other ways it can be done. All I know is what I am doing, and it is what I use to pull timing. I have run a 40 shot thru a Adams spray bar so far. You have to be creative to get all this stuff to work together. There are lots of ways you can do this I am sure! Here are the issues you need to solve with a NOS mini and SB6 and PCV:
1. The NOS mini will close a ground to trigger other devices independently for each stage as each stage is triggered, but the SB6 needs a 12v input to trigger its timing retard feature.
2. The PCV needs a loop closed to do map switching. Neither an SB6 or NOS mini can do this by simply connecting a wire to them some place.
3. You need to decide how and when you want to trigger N2O. Right out of the hole, off a clutch switch trigger, manually, WOT by a micro switch or TPS signal. The choices are endless here.
Like I said before I had an electronics engineer friend of mine make me up a custom triggering circuit to accommodate my needs.
Maybe there is already a device on the market that does the same thing I had him build? Just don't know of it?
Alternately, you could do it with some relays, switches etc.
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debo33
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posted March 01, 2013 11:12 PM
If wide open throttle is my trigger wat percentage should i spray throughout the run. I dont want it to spray 100 prrcent out the gate thats why i gt the mini controller.. Anybody gt any suggestion as to what sprays and when...
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debo33
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posted March 01, 2013 11:18 PM
Moto how do u gt urs set up...do u ramp up thru the run ..if so could u exp.. Do u delay the spray off the line. And what works best for u. Im bout 275 gearing is 16_44..how would u set up the mini to spray thru the run. Thanks.
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debo33
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posted March 01, 2013 11:24 PM
Moto how do u gt urs set up...do u ramp up thru the run ..if so could u exp.. Do u delay the spray off the line. And what works best for u. Im bout 275 gearing is 16_44..how would u set up the mini to spray thru the run. Thanks.
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debo33
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posted March 05, 2013 09:09 PM
Can someone give me input as to ramp percent thru the runs on my bike if i start. at o10 perccnt out the gate. Im goin to set it to total of five seconds to get to 100 percent spray. So should it just ramp from 10 to 100 in that time... How much delay should i have before i trigger spray after activtion..... mayb 2 sec.. Input plz
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debo33
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posted March 05, 2013 09:11 PM
Can someone give me input as to ramp percent thru the runs on my bike if i start. at o10 perccnt out the gate. Im goin to set it to total of five seconds to get to 100 percent spray. So should it just ramp from 10 to 100 in that time... How much delay should i have before i trigger spray after activtion..... mayb 2 sec.. Input plz
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MotoCycho
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posted March 06, 2013 04:48 PM
Hi debo33,
There is no right answer. Too many variables. You really need to play with it and figure out what works best for you.
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debo33
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posted March 06, 2013 07:59 PM
Thanks bro...
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