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codyc_13


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posted June 26, 2012 08:48 PM        
E85, do i have this right??

Been doing some research and thinking about making the switch to E85, but want to make sure its as easy as it sounds. My bike isa 100% stock motor 06. From what I read all I have to do is add about 30% fuel to my map as a starting point.

It it correct that:
1. The stock fuel pump and injectors will be fine on a stock 06.
2. There is no need to crush the regulator in a stock bike.
3. Similar gains to Mr12 with a good tune.

I had more questions than that, but am drawing a blank right now.
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posted June 26, 2012 08:53 PM        
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Been doing some research and thinking about making the switch to E85, but want to make sure its as easy as it sounds. My bike isa 100% stock motor 06. From what I read all I have to do is add about 30% fuel to my map as a starting point.

It it correct that:
1. The stock fuel pump and injectors will be fine on a stock 06.
2. There is no need to crush the regulator in a stock bike.
3. Similar gains to Mr12 with a good tune.

I had more questions than that, but am drawing a blank right now.


I don't agree with #3. You can make stupid power on a boosted application with e85 because you can keep throwing boost and timing at it and it just won't detonate. The cooling effect of the fuel also helps control the detonation. It doesn't help as much in a non boosted application. I just can't see it making as much power as MR12 in an application that doesn't need the cooling effect from the fuel or the octane of e85. I will try to run it in any boosted application though.
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posted June 26, 2012 08:58 PM        
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Been doing some research and thinking about making the switch to E85, but want to make sure its as easy as it sounds. My bike isa 100% stock motor 06. From what I read all I have to do is add about 30% fuel to my map as a starting point.

It it correct that:
1. The stock fuel pump and injectors will be fine on a stock 06.
2. There is no need to crush the regulator in a stock bike.
3. Similar gains to Mr12 with a good tune.

I had more questions than that, but am drawing a blank right now.


I don't agree with #3. You can make stupid power on a boosted application with e85 because you can keep throwing boost and timing at it and it just won't detonate. The cooling effect of the fuel also helps control the detonation. It doesn't help as much in a non boosted application. I just can't see it making as much power as MR12 in an application that doesn't need the cooling effect from the fuel or the octane of e85. I will try to run it in any boosted application though.


And everyone made fun of me for going e85 WAY back in the day before it was the cool thing to do lol
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posted June 26, 2012 09:04 PM        
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Been doing some research and thinking about making the switch to E85, but want to make sure its as easy as it sounds. My bike isa 100% stock motor 06. From what I read all I have to do is add about 30% fuel to my map as a starting point.

It it correct that:
1. The stock fuel pump and injectors will be fine on a stock 06.
2. There is no need to crush the regulator in a stock bike.
3. Similar gains to Mr12 with a good tune.

I had more questions than that, but am drawing a blank right now.


I don't agree with #3. You can make stupid power on a boosted application with e85 because you can keep throwing boost and timing at it and it just won't detonate. The cooling effect of the fuel also helps control the detonation. It doesn't help as much in a non boosted application. I just can't see it making as much power as MR12 in an application that doesn't need the cooling effect from the fuel or the octane of e85. I will try to run it in any boosted application though.


And everyone made fun of me for going e85 WAY back in the day before it was the cool thing to do lol



Well, nobody's laughing now, huh???
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posted June 26, 2012 09:10 PM        
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Been doing some research and thinking about making the switch to E85, but want to make sure its as easy as it sounds. My bike isa 100% stock motor 06. From what I read all I have to do is add about 30% fuel to my map as a starting point.

It it correct that:
1. The stock fuel pump and injectors will be fine on a stock 06.
2. There is no need to crush the regulator in a stock bike.
3. Similar gains to Mr12 with a good tune.

I had more questions than that, but am drawing a blank right now.


I don't agree with #3. You can make stupid power on a boosted application with e85 because you can keep throwing boost and timing at it and it just won't detonate. The cooling effect of the fuel also helps control the detonation. It doesn't help as much in a non boosted application. I just can't see it making as much power as MR12 in an application that doesn't need the cooling effect from the fuel or the octane of e85. I will try to run it in any boosted application though.


And everyone made fun of me for going e85 WAY back in the day before it was the cool thing to do lol



Well, nobody's laughing now, huh???


I think I was the first to use it with boost on my turbo 06. Me and Rob sent maps back and forth back in the day he started using it and loved it. It's the way to go for a street bike. I'm doin a c16 one now tho. I don't ride on the street anymore so it will be cheaper for me with c16 and stock injectors
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justoyz2


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posted June 26, 2012 09:33 PM        
you are correct, except for the equal to Mr12, but the gains are equal to U4.4.
Your bike will run kooler and the fuel is cheaper than pump gas.
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Bently


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posted June 27, 2012 05:17 AM        
We switched my buddies stock motor 08 Busa over to e85 about a month ago and he picked up .15 and about 4 mph, but the fuel pump went out after 3 tnt. I've been told that that's pretty common as the e85 cleans the whole system out and it collects in the pump. he is looking for an aftermarket pump right now.
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posted June 27, 2012 06:03 AM        
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I've been told that that's pretty common as the e85 cleans the whole system out and it collects in the pump..




they lied to you or don't know what they talking about.. try using e85 to clean with ...it suxs as a cleaning agent
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Rich


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posted June 27, 2012 06:58 AM        
I've used E85 at the track for over a year. Without spray, the stock fuel pump holds up and didn't need a crushed regulator. I added a little spray and maxed it out even with a crushed regulator. I went to the Walbro with that same crused regulator and all is good.
When I first tried E85, I picked up about 3 MPH in the 1/4.
Adding about 30 is a good place to start.
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Bently


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posted June 27, 2012 07:04 AM        
Copied this from an e85 site

E85 won’t destroy your fuel pump. If you convert a high mileage vehicle to E85, the E85 will cause the sediment in the gas tank to dissolve and then get sucked up by the fuel pump. It is believed that this sediment may shorten the life of the pump. It is recommended to change fuel filter in fuel tank (if your car have it) after you burn up 1 tank of E85 fuel

exactly what happen after 3 tnt nights. bike had pump gas in since 08, the e85 broke the sediment loose.

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joel787


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posted June 27, 2012 07:15 AM        Edited By: joel787 on 27 Jun 2012 14:17
Ive been thinking to switch for a while now, only bad thing ive read is that it would eat up rubber fuel lines.... Didnt 1bad had gumming in the TB's after a while?....but up to 5hp more and cheaper than any other fuel out there, totaly worth it IMO.
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1badzx12r


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posted June 27, 2012 07:46 AM        
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Copied this from an e85 site

E85 won’t destroy your fuel pump. If you convert a high mileage vehicle to E85, the E85 will cause the sediment in the gas tank to dissolve and then get sucked up by the fuel pump. It is believed that this sediment may shorten the life of the pump. It is recommended to change fuel filter in fuel tank (if your car have it) after you burn up 1 tank of E85 fuel

exactly what happen after 3 tnt nights. bike had pump gas in since 08, the e85 broke the sediment loose.


i don't care what some internet site says.. reason why i blow up motors was reading shit off the internet..
WTF you call or they call sediment .. like i said try using it as a cleaning agent .. it don't work ..its like mixing water to oil ..its floats around as little balls instead of thinning .. but spill some on concrete and come back in 20 minutes and you can see all the water it pulled from the concrete.. maybe your friend had a dirty container that he put E85 in and that poured into his fuel tank .. then plug his screen(sock) up and caused the fuel pump to burn up..
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1badzx12r


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posted June 27, 2012 07:52 AM        
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Ive been thinking to switch for a while now, only bad thing ive read is that it would eat up rubber fuel lines.... Didnt 1bad had gumming in the TB's after a while.




the only way i can see it eating up rubber is to let air hit the rubber without the fuel in it ..carb cleaner does the same thing.. it causes the rubbers to expand after it been sprayed when air then hits it.. yes it does build up a film after long time use .. just run some gas thru your system every so often and that cures it..
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codyc_13


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posted June 27, 2012 07:55 AM        
What all precautions do I need to take when running it, storing it in the tank, storing it in a container??
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Bently


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posted June 27, 2012 07:59 AM        
quote:
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Copied this from an e85 site

E85 won’t destroy your fuel pump. If you convert a high mileage vehicle to E85, the E85 will cause the sediment in the gas tank to dissolve and then get sucked up by the fuel pump. It is believed that this sediment may shorten the life of the pump. It is recommended to change fuel filter in fuel tank (if your car have it) after you burn up 1 tank of E85 fuel

exactly what happen after 3 tnt nights. bike had pump gas in since 08, the e85 broke the sediment loose.


i don't care what some internet site says.. reason why i blow up motors was reading shit off the internet..
WTF you call or they call sediment .. like i said try using it as a cleaning agent .. it don't work ..its like mixing water to oil ..its floats around as little balls instead of thinning .. but spill some on concrete and come back in 20 minutes and you can see all the water it pulled from the concrete.. maybe your friend had a dirty container that he put E85 in and that poured into his fuel tank .. then plug his screen(sock) up and caused the fuel pump t
o burn up..

nope, he bought brand new jug

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1badzx12r


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posted June 27, 2012 07:59 AM        
i use old 5 gallon metal VP race fuel cans filled to the top.. but plastic fuel cans will work to.. nothing special ..get a e85 tester to test your grade of e85 $10..00 ebay ...
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posted June 27, 2012 08:07 AM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 27 Jun 2012 15:08
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nope, he bought brand new jug




maybe it was already plug up from 3 years of use and the more dense e85 couldn't flow thru it enough to cool the pump down.. theres more to this than . i put e85 in and it burn my pump up ..


every day its something differant to read on the internet .. ..





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posted June 27, 2012 08:13 AM        
whoever told you that you can't detonate with E85 was an idiot! We all run boosted V8s and I am one of the few remaining that is still running gas...C16. I can show you many-a-pistons that have been killed from detonation from people who have thinking like this. I agree that it will be ok to switch but the benefit from switching in a NA application is very minimum from that standpoint alone.

I will however agree that you can throw more timing at in a boosted application but to say it WON'T detonate is completely idiotic.

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codyc_13


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posted June 27, 2012 08:30 AM        
A gain is all I'm looking for. Your minimal gain and my minimal gain may be 2 different things. If I can pick up 1-2 mph from this alone, I will be MORE than happy. As long as I see any difference in my timeslips I will be happy.
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posted June 27, 2012 08:36 AM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 27 Jun 2012 15:37
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whoever told you that you can't detonate with E85 was an idiot! We all run boosted V8s and I am one of the few remaining that is still running gas...C16. I can show you many-a-pistons that have been killed from detonation from people who have thinking like this. I agree that it will be ok to switch but the benefit from switching in a NA application is very minimum from that standpoint alone.

I will however agree that you can throw more timing at in a boosted application but to say it WON'T detonate is completely idiotic.


e85 is bad don't never use it cause your engine may blow -up cause you didn't tune your motor for it.. ... i really hope nobody uses it .. then it will stay cheap for me to use..
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posted June 27, 2012 10:20 AM        
Ive seen back to back results from e85 and mr12 at the track, e85 had custom map and brocks map with mr12. MR12 wins hands down.
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posted June 27, 2012 10:45 AM        
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whoever told you that you can't detonate with E85 was an idiot! We all run boosted V8s and I am one of the few remaining that is still running gas...C16. I can show you many-a-pistons that have been killed from detonation from people who have thinking like this. I agree that it will be ok to switch but the benefit from switching in a NA application is very minimum from that standpoint alone.

I will however agree that you can throw more timing at in a boosted application but to say it WON'T detonate is completely idiotic.


Ever heard of something called "figure of speech"? No, didn't think so.
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posted June 27, 2012 11:23 AM        
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Ive seen back to back results from e85 and mr12 at the track, e85 had custom map and brocks map with mr12. MR12 wins hands down.




good glad to hear it .. now everybody ..go buy a 2000.00 pipe so you can get a free brocks map and then run 160.00 per 5 gallon MR12... i'll stick to busting ass with my 2.30 a gallon e85
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posted June 27, 2012 11:29 AM        
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whoever told you that you can't detonate with E85 was an idiot! We all run boosted V8s and I am one of the few remaining that is still running gas...C16. I can show you many-a-pistons that have been killed from detonation from people who have thinking like this. I agree that it will be ok to switch but the benefit from switching in a NA application is very minimum from that standpoint alone.

I will however agree that you can throw more timing at in a boosted application but to say it WON'T detonate is completely idiotic.


ignorance and miss use will definitely fuck shit up, but just cuz dumb ppl have had bad experiences doesnt mean e85 is a time bomb.



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posted June 27, 2012 12:24 PM        
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Ive seen back to back results from e85 and mr12 at the track, e85 had custom map and brocks map with mr12. MR12 wins hands down.




good glad to hear it .. now everybody ..go buy a 2000.00 pipe so you can get a free brocks map and then run 160.00 per 5 gallon MR12... i'll stick to busting ass with my 2.30 a gallon e85
You're my hero buddy!
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