smokinstorm
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posted June 26, 2012 08:41 PM
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Who knows what we can get with a custom tune for the area where we run, its just scratching the surface
If you get 228 to the tire like Brock Davidson got, it's going to outrun pretty much every streetbike that ever goes to the track around here. Not racebikes in disguise, but streetbikes.
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posted June 26, 2012 08:44 PM
yea u right but I can't afford to keep running mr12, but I am gonna eventually get a tune for pump gas and mr12 to see the difference tho.
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posted June 26, 2012 08:44 PM
can tune out the lean of no filter, but not worth it in the swamp where we run lol. hell we been running pump gas. (yea, those blue cans have 87 in marker all over the top of um lol)
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posted June 26, 2012 08:49 PM
yea we do run in damn near rain some nights
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smokinstorm
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posted June 26, 2012 08:53 PM
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yea we do run in damn near rain every night
There. Fixed it for ya.
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posted June 26, 2012 09:02 PM
lol
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posted June 26, 2012 10:12 PM
 Edited By: BLK ICE on 27 Jun 2012 07:28
-My ZX14 has a completely stock 07 motor (motor has never been off the bike). and I haven't seen a zx14r's 1/8 pass more than 0.13 quicker than my 1/8 mile e/t, online or in person.(my bike with 160lb rider/ mr12 )
I wish the best for the zx14r, but I haven't seen the e/ts that would support the claimed 25-35hp increase over the 06-11 models.
Sincerely,
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posted June 27, 2012 03:24 AM
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-My ZX14 has a completely stock 07 motor (motor has never been off the bike). and I haven't seen a zx14r's 1/8 pass more than 0.13 quicker than my 1/8 mile e/t, online or in person.(my bike with 160lb rider/ mr12 )
I wish the best for the zx14r, but I haven't seen the e/ts that would support the claimed 25-35hp increase over the 06-11 models.
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.13 in the 1/8th is going to be .26 in the qtr...
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posted June 27, 2012 03:58 AM
Someone please tell me what stock headed (head not removed from motor) stock head gasket gen 1 14 runs 5.50s to 5.60s. Everybody wants to talk about mr12, yes it does work but u also have people with the 14r running just as fast if not faster on true pump gas not race fuel. Just because the can says 87 doesn't make it pump gas it is still race fuel its leaded and oxygenated. So if 5.40s on 89 pump gas doesn't show a 25-35 hp increase over a gen 1 14. Also you don't have to remove the motor to take the head off the bike. But your internals of your motor will still be stock.
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posted June 27, 2012 04:06 AM
I think that the new 14 has definitely made a statement but that shiphty hit the nail on the head when he said that it's not worth jumping ship from a gen1 to go to a gen2. There are guys running 5.50's in the 1/8th on gen1's with only bolt ons. Is the new 14R faster than the 14 was bolt on for bolt on with a pro rider? yes. Is the gen1 14 still competitive against it, if it isn't ridden by a pro rider? absolutely. Are the both faster than a gen1 or gen2 busa? All day every day.
Pick your poison.
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posted June 27, 2012 04:21 AM
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I think that the new 14 has definitely made a statement but that shiphty hit the nail on the head when he said that it's not worth jumping ship from a gen1 to go to a gen2. There are guys running 5.50's in the 1/8th on gen1's with only bolt ons. Is the new 14R faster than the 14 was bolt on for bolt on with a pro rider? yes. Is the gen1 14 still competitive against it, if it isn't ridden by a pro rider? absolutely. Are the both faster than a gen1 or gen2 busa? All day every day.
Pick your poison.
You really think 06-11 14's are faster then 08 and up busa's.
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posted June 27, 2012 09:01 AM
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I think that the new 14 has definitely made a statement but that shiphty hit the nail on the head when he said that it's not worth jumping ship from a gen1 to go to a gen2. There are guys running 5.50's in the 1/8th on gen1's with only bolt ons. Is the new 14R faster than the 14 was bolt on for bolt on with a pro rider? yes. Is the gen1 14 still competitive against it, if it isn't ridden by a pro rider? absolutely. Are the both faster than a gen1 or gen2 busa? All day every day.
Pick your poison.
You really think 06-11 14's are faster then 08 and up busa's.
He's an idot if he belives that. Even ricky came on here and said the 08 busa was faster than the gen1 14. I thought the 14r was impressive in the hp numbers till I went to Brocks and Carpenters sites only to see that they don't make anymore hp than a gen1 busa with a 1397 kit. So no the 1441 did not make a statement thats why the gen1 14 with bolts on's can compete with it. Put a good head and cams on a gen1 14 and its a wrap.
A 1441 with head work and cams from the factory should make more than a 1397 busa.
Shoot htp has ran quicker with there stock motor 08 busa than the new 14r, I can imagine how fast they could go with a genII busa with good head and cams. I read where maddness has ran mid 5's on his old clapped out genI 14. I'd like to see some gen1 14 numbers with good head and cams posted.
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posted June 27, 2012 09:17 AM
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I think that the new 14 has definitely made a statement but that shiphty hit the nail on the head when he said that it's not worth jumping ship from a gen1 to go to a gen2. There are guys running 5.50's in the 1/8th on gen1's with only bolt ons. Is the new 14R faster than the 14 was bolt on for bolt on with a pro rider? yes. Is the gen1 14 still competitive against it, if it isn't ridden by a pro rider? absolutely. Are the both faster than a gen1 or gen2 busa? All day every day.
Pick your poison.
You really think 06-11 14's are faster then 08 and up busa's.
He's an idot if he belives that. Even ricky came on here and said the 08 busa was faster than the gen1 14. I thought the 14r was impressive in the hp numbers till I went to Brocks and Carpenters sites only to see that they don't make anymore hp than a gen1 busa with a 1397 kit. So no the 1441 did not make a statement thats why the gen1 14 with bolts on's can compete with it. Put a good head and cams on a gen1 14 and its a wrap.
A 1441 with head work and cams from the factory should make more than a 1397 busa.
Shoot htp has ran quicker with there stock motor 08 busa than the new 14r, I can imagine how fast they could go with a genII busa with good head and cams. I read where maddness has ran mid 5's on his old clapped out genI 14. I'd like to see some gen1 14 numbers with good head and cams posted.
I don't agree with you statement that a 1441 with head work and cams from the factory should make more power then a 1397 busa. It actually does if it's a 1397 busa that's built to live on the street, kawasaki built a 1441 that meets emissions and will run for 100,000 miles if treated right. lets see that from a 1397 busa. most street 1397s built for 89 pump gas make 205 to 210 and they will still not go 100,000 miles. But I also say a gen 2 busa and 06 to 11 14 mod for mod are equal. Heres how much power the 14r makes this weekend at the track my buddies gen 2 busa, lowerd, strapped, mirrors removed, light battery, brocks pipe and map ran 144.06 mph in 3400 feet of air. my 14r bone stock ran 143.88 right after him. and I was in F2 for power mode we weighed the bikes that day on the same scale and he was 50 pounds lighter then me. So my bike is making more power then his with all his mods. Wish I would have had time to see what my mph would have been with the traction control in the off mode.
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smokinstorm
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posted June 27, 2012 09:31 AM
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Someone please tell me what stock headed (head not removed from motor) stock head gasket gen 1 14 runs 5.50s to 5.60s. Everybody wants to talk about mr12, yes it does work but u also have people with the 14r running just as fast if not faster on true pump gas not race fuel. Just because the can says 87 doesn't make it pump gas it is still race fuel its leaded and oxygenated. So if 5.40s on 89 pump gas doesn't show a 25-35 hp increase over a gen 1 14. Also you don't have to remove the motor to take the head off the bike. But your internals of your motor will still be stock.
Not saying it's common or even that anyone else has done it but quick 6 on here has run an actual 5.50 not 5.50something. He rides the absolute crap out of his bike though.
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posted June 27, 2012 09:40 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Jun 2012 17:50
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I think that the new 14 has definitely made a statement but that shiphty hit the nail on the head when he said that it's not worth jumping ship from a gen1 to go to a gen2. There are guys running 5.50's in the 1/8th on gen1's with only bolt ons. Is the new 14R faster than the 14 was bolt on for bolt on with a pro rider? yes. Is the gen1 14 still competitive against it, if it isn't ridden by a pro rider? absolutely. Are the both faster than a gen1 or gen2 busa? All day every day.
Pick your poison.
You really think 06-11 14's are faster then 08 and up busa's.
He's an idot if he belives that. Even ricky came on here and said the 08 busa was faster than the gen1 14. I thought the 14r was impressive in the hp numbers till I went to Brocks and Carpenters sites only to see that they don't make anymore hp than a gen1 busa with a 1397 kit. So no the 1441 did not make a statement thats why the gen1 14 with bolts on's can compete with it. Put a good head and cams on a gen1 14 and its a wrap.
A 1441 with head work and cams from the factory should make more than a 1397 busa.
Shoot htp has ran quicker with there stock motor 08 busa than the new 14r, I can imagine how fast they could go with a genII busa with good head and cams. I read where maddness has ran mid 5's on his old clapped out genI 14. I'd like to see some gen1 14 numbers with good head and cams posted.
Master lets put this to a test
You said "Shoot htp has ran quicker with there stock motor 08 busa than the new 14r, "
Ok i'm up for that .. Bring a TRUE stock motored Gen 2 Busa with the same mods as my bike and running 89 shell pump gas .. , Get a good rider that weights close to my weight and lets see what happens .. We can even pull them apart after the race a prove them to be untouched stock motors .. Lets do this ...
Now you talk about maddness bike .. BST wheels , stripped of a lot of factory weight .. Mostlikely below 480 pounds ... His was also running race gas and not pump gas and running in killer air in Sac .. He can and well tell you this himself .. Shorty is also one hell of a rider , we all know that ... My bike went 5.42 @ 130 on 89 shell pump gas at over 500 pounds , closer to 520 pounds if you want the truth and you don't so i'll stop .. I like Shorty and what he did on a stock motor was killer for a stock motored bike .. Best i ever did on my 09 zx14 on pump gas was 5.59 .. My bike was 505 pounds at the time and i did it in very very good air .. In crappy air on my new ZX14R has run 5.42 @ 130 but that doesn't count right ..
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posted June 27, 2012 09:53 AM
Madness' bike is likely well under 450 lbs, if my experience serves me.  My gen 1 was around 450.....and it was definitely not as trim as his.
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posted June 27, 2012 09:57 AM
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Someone please tell me what stock headed (head not removed from motor) stock head gasket gen 1 14 runs 5.50s to 5.60s. Everybody wants to talk about mr12, yes it does work but u also have people with the 14r running just as fast if not faster on true pump gas not race fuel. Just because the can says 87 doesn't make it pump gas it is still race fuel its leaded and oxygenated. So if 5.40s on 89 pump gas doesn't show a 25-35 hp increase over a gen 1 14. Also you don't have to remove the motor to take the head off the bike. But your internals of your motor will still be stock.
when i say 87, i mean 87 written in marker on the top of the can. Gas that was pumped into the can while at the station putting gas in the truck. you will actually see our friends pump their tank out from time to time into it so they can put their mr12 in their bike.
and to be factual, even our race map isnt on mr12. its the lesser hp mr9 as the bike has not been retuned yet, and yes that is all the bike was running on. with the shortened supply of mr9, we have been running pump gas instead. I have merely been asking as to it being ran on mr12 as that is what we are "going" to be tuned for at some point that hasnt beeen determined. and if you wanna get to the nuts and bolts of it, we can show you the dyno sheet from the 09 that show absolutely no HP gain over a stock motor, which was even noted when the bike was tuned.
Also, I still cant believe that all this has gone so far past my initial question.
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smokinZX14
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posted June 27, 2012 10:05 AM
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Madness' bike is likely well under 450 lbs, if my experience serves me. My gen 1 was around 450.....and it was definitely not as trim as his.
Shane
Shane you are mostlikey correct about the weight of Shortys bike ..But i didn't want to pee the busa owners Oatmeal to much .. It makes them mad ..
Another thing these guys don't get is even with the the flies pulled the HP is down in the first 3 gears ( under 200 hp ) Switch to 4th gear and the power shoots way up as we all know from Brocks dyno testing .. I think this is another safe mode Kawi built into the ECU , My guess Kawi pulls timming in the lower 3 gears .. At this point nobody seems to know why or how Kawi is doing this .. At this point as far as i know no one has made a fix for it .. But someone is working on it , i'm sure of that ..
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posted June 27, 2012 10:07 AM
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What was that question again? 
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smokinZX14
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posted June 27, 2012 10:12 AM
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Someone please tell me what stock headed (head not removed from motor) stock head gasket gen 1 14 runs 5.50s to 5.60s. Everybody wants to talk about mr12, yes it does work but u also have people with the 14r running just as fast if not faster on true pump gas not race fuel. Just because the can says 87 doesn't make it pump gas it is still race fuel its leaded and oxygenated. So if 5.40s on 89 pump gas doesn't show a 25-35 hp increase over a gen 1 14. Also you don't have to remove the motor to take the head off the bike. But your internals of your motor will still be stock.
when i say 87, i mean 87 written in marker on the top of the can. Gas that was pumped into the can while at the station putting gas in the truck. you will actually see our friends pump their tank out from time to time into it so they can put their mr12 in their bike.
and to be factual, even our race map isnt on mr12. its the lesser hp mr9 as the bike has not been retuned yet, and yes that is all the bike was running on. with the shortened supply of mr9, we have been running pump gas instead. I have merely been asking as to it being ran on mr12 as that is what we are "going" to be tuned for at some point that hasnt beeen determined. and if you wanna get to the nuts and bolts of it, we can show you the dyno sheet from the 09 that show absolutely no HP gain over a stock motor, which was even noted when the bike was tuned.
Also, I still cant believe that all this has gone so far past my initial question.
If it makes you happy you can come to the track with me ... I'll drain my tank before we go and we will stop at shell and full up with 89 like i do everytime i go to the track .. I don't own a can with 87 marked on the can .. I get my shit from the same pump as my wifes toyota ..
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smokinZX14
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posted June 27, 2012 10:13 AM
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What was that question again?
Me too , i forgot also ... Be back later i have to go pick up my wife from the hospital ..
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posted June 27, 2012 10:19 AM
ive had enoough of this bs. if you guys cant simply answer the question at hand with a simple answer as to convince a potiental buyer what this thing will run then screw it. To me it just sounds like if we did the same 4 mil stroke, increased compression to match, and cams we will just walk all over your ass. And apparenlty we will be considered still a "built" motor as stated now. So I am now sold on what the best option is. TY for your input as now I see no need to waste the money on that bike.
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posted June 27, 2012 10:21 AM
when i say 87, i mean 87 written in marker on the top of the can. Gas that was pumped into the can while at the station putting gas in the truck. you will actually see our friends pump their tank out from time to time into it so they can put their mr12 in their bike.
and to be factual, even our race map isnt on mr12. its the lesser hp mr9 as the bike has not been retuned yet, and yes that is all the bike was running on. with the shortened supply of mr9, we have been running pump gas instead. I have merely been asking as to it being ran on mr12 as that is what we are "going" to be tuned for at some point that hasnt beeen determined. and if you wanna get to the nuts and bolts of it, we can show you the dyno sheet from the 09 that show absolutely no HP gain over a stock motor, which was even noted when the bike was tuned.
Also, I still cant believe that all this has gone so far past my initial question.
Ok yes you can show me a dyno sheet that says anything but clearly your bike runs alot better than a stock 14. We bring 4 14s to the track so i think we would know the difference in what a stock one runs vs one with head work. Now take it Block was ft shifting mine @ 5.78 and air shifting his 09 with head work to a 5.75 that was impressive especially with him having to struggle getting his foot up, Now with the air shifter its alot smoother and he went faster. But your bike runs real good don't worry about the dyno sheet because there is not a stock 06-11 14 with no head work and stock tb's out there running the #s that you are.
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posted June 27, 2012 10:25 AM
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I think that the new 14 has definitely made a statement but that shiphty hit the nail on the head when he said that it's not worth jumping ship from a gen1 to go to a gen2. There are guys running 5.50's in the 1/8th on gen1's with only bolt ons. Is the new 14R faster than the 14 was bolt on for bolt on with a pro rider? yes. Is the gen1 14 still competitive against it, if it isn't ridden by a pro rider? absolutely. Are the both faster than a gen1 or gen2 busa? All day every day.
Pick your poison.
You really think 06-11 14's are faster then 08 and up busa's.
He's an idot if he belives that. Even ricky came on here and said the 08 busa was faster than the gen1 14. I thought the 14r was impressive in the hp numbers till I went to Brocks and Carpenters sites only to see that they don't make anymore hp than a gen1 busa with a 1397 kit. So no the 1441 did not make a statement thats why the gen1 14 with bolts on's can compete with it. Put a good head and cams on a gen1 14 and its a wrap.
A 1441 with head work and cams from the factory should make more than a 1397 busa.
Shoot htp has ran quicker with there stock motor 08 busa than the new 14r, I can imagine how fast they could go with a genII busa with good head and cams. I read where maddness has ran mid 5's on his old clapped out genI 14. I'd like to see some gen1 14 numbers with good head and cams posted.
Master lets put this to a test
You said "Shoot htp has ran quicker with there stock motor 08 busa than the new 14r, "
Ok i'm up for that .. Bring a TRUE stock motored Gen 2 Busa with the same mods as my bike and running 89 shell pump gas .. , Get a good rider that weights close to my weight and lets see what happens .. We can even pull them apart after the race a prove them to be untouched stock motors .. Lets do this ...
Now you talk about maddness bike .. BST wheels , stripped of a lot of factory weight .. Mostlikely below 480 pounds ... His was also running race gas and not pump gas and running in killer air in Sac .. He can and well tell you this himself .. Shorty is also one hell of a rider , we all know that ... My bike went 5.42 @ 130 on 89 shell pump gas at over 500 pounds , closer to 520 pounds if you want the truth and you don't so i'll stop .. I like Shorty and what he did on a stock motor was killer for a stock motored bike .. Best i ever did on my 09 zx14 on pump gas was 5.59 .. My bike was 505 pounds at the time and i did it in very very good air .. In crappy air on my new ZX14R has run 5.42 @ 130 but that doesn't count right ..
no need to put it to a test your self ran a 5.5 on pump gas just proves my point. I'm sure with some head work and cams you would have run even faster so like shorty your a hell of a rider also no need to talk about the htp bike we both agree it went faster, this is not about a busa vs 14 thing, none of us can debate the records you and htp or shorty have run. My statement was about 1397 genI busa hp vs 1441 genII 14 hp. Sorry but no one can debate those numbers either thier public records now. I'm sure if you go to brocks site you can compare them for yourself. I said I too was impressed with the numbers till I visited their sites and compaired there numbers. It would not bother me even if the 1441 14 was faster then the 1340 busa Hell it should have been newer tech. and more cc's. I'm ok with that.
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smokinZX14
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posted June 27, 2012 10:27 AM
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ive had enoough of this bs. if you guys cant simply answer the question at hand with a simple answer as to convince a potiental buyer what this thing will run then screw it. To me it just sounds like if we did the same 4 mil stroke, increased compression to match, and cams we will just walk all over your ass. And apparenlty we will be considered still a "built" motor as stated now. So I am now sold on what the best option is. TY for your input as now I see no need to waste the money on that bike.
Nobody here is stopping you from doing just that .. I have rode a 1530 ZX14 and it one wild ride .. Do i want one ? NO i don't .. I rather have a stock motored bike that goes 8.40s on pump gas .. But that is just me ..
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