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Bently


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posted June 26, 2012 08:12 PM        
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ahemm. i swear you folks need some phonics. i want to know if someone has that setup first of all. because those are the most typical things done to a bike right out the gate. and holy shit if you guys think headwork is some kind of godly motorwork then I have been doing all the wrong crap to bikes for 30 years. Because the only thing we have to compare the 2 motors apart is factory headwork vs pro head then we have some sort of base to compare. But this is really getting cute though.

so 5.42 on pump gas isn't a strong number? lee gets in good air and your 5.39 number will be beat on cheap pump gas.

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Bueller


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posted June 26, 2012 08:13 PM        
i swear, did you read the whole post and everything i asked and why i was asking. and what i was asking for?
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smokinZX14


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posted June 26, 2012 08:15 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Jun 2012 03:18
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no joke, hope none are salesman. hate to go somewhere and get the hell beat out of me for asking a question.
I'm not jumping on you , just telling you ..

As far as mods my 2012 was gone 8.50 and 8.52 with less mods then my 09 or 06 zx14 did ..

Let start with my 09 that run the 8.76 @ 153 .. It had 64 to 65 wheel base , air shifted , Brocks CT pipe, P/C , Brocks race map running on 87 pump gas ..BMC race air filter ..

My 2012 ran 8.50 and 8.52 .. It had 65.5 wheel base , air shifted , Brocks Alien head 2 pipe , NO P/C or Tune , running 89 pump gas, STOCK air filter in place .. These were done without the clutch mod , springs or shims .. I also used a ZZZ oring chain unlike my 09 that used a DZR2 non oring drag chain ..

I have added more mods to get it to run 8.47 .. I added a P/C and street map , still running pump gas .. Brock clutch mod and a set of drag pack clutches , The 8.47 came in at a DA over 2100+ in the 90 deg air with high humdity ... The 8.50 and 8.52 were done in much better DA .. Let me also add that i have over 5000 runs on my old ZX14s in all types of air great , good and bad .. The very best was 8.76 @ 153 to 154 .. I have very few runs on the new ZX14R .. Good air this fall it's goning low 8.40s , maybe even a high 8.30 ...


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1badzx12r


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posted June 26, 2012 08:26 PM        
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no joke, hope none are salesman. hate to go somewhere and get the hell beat out of me for asking a question.
I'm not jumping on you , just telling you ..

As far as mods my 2012 was gone 8.50 and 8.52 with less mods then my 09 or 06 zx14 did ..

Let start with my 09 that run the 8.76 @ 153 .. It had 64 to 65 wheel base , air shifted , Brocks CT pipe, P/C , Brocks race map running on 87 pump gas ..BMC race air filter ..

My 2012 ran 8.50 and 8.52 .. It had 65.5 wheel base , air shifted , Brocks Alien head 2 pipe , NO P/C or Tune , running 89 pump gas, STOCK air filter in place .. These were done without the clutch mod , springs or shims .. I also used a ZZZ oring chain unlike my 09 that used a DZR2 non oring drag chain ..

I have added more mods to get it to run 8.47 .. I added a P/C and street map , still running pump gas .. Brock clutch mod and a set of drag pack clutches , The 8.47 came in at a DA over 2100+ in the 90 deg air with high humdity ... The 8.50 and 8.52 were done in much better DA .. Let me also add that i have over 5000 runs on my old ZX14s in all types of air great , good and bad .. The very best was 8.76 @ 153 to 154 .. I have very few runs on the new ZX14R .. Good air this fall it's goning low 8.40s , maybe even a high 8.30 ...




the 8.47

air shift is that auto shifting or button shifting.. what about ecu editor .. drag shock, ceramic wheel bearings i know you posted about these things .. did they just slip your mind cause you getting old or you never used them ..i can't remember thats me getting old... .. did the 09 have any of those things
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smokinZX14


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posted June 26, 2012 08:28 PM        
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i swear, did you read the whole post and everything i asked and why i was asking. and what i was asking for?
I can't tell you what my bike would run on MR12 with a correct Map for MR12 .. I got a can of it that had been setting in a old gas station for how long i have no clue , but it was coved with dust from setting .. Nobody uses it around here , so no one keeps fresh stuff on hand ... With no p/c or map the MR12 run the same ETs as pump gas in my new ZX14R .. Old fuel ? No Mapping ? Had the fuel been fresh and the bike mapped for it maybe it would have gone faster .. I will never know because i'm not spending another 130 bucks to find out ... But i will run the 5.30s this fall on pump gas ..

Let me also tell you that my old zx14 ran 8.56 @ 163 on a 30 shot .. My new zx14R run 8.47 on pump gas and ran as fast as 162.60 MPH in a head wind .. That should tell you something ..

That is as close to apples to apples as i can get for you ..
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smokinZX14


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posted June 26, 2012 08:32 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Jun 2012 03:47
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no joke, hope none are salesman. hate to go somewhere and get the hell beat out of me for asking a question.
I'm not jumping on you , just telling you ..

As far as mods my 2012 was gone 8.50 and 8.52 with less mods then my 09 or 06 zx14 did ..

Let start with my 09 that run the 8.76 @ 153 .. It had 64 to 65 wheel base , air shifted , Brocks CT pipe, P/C , Brocks race map running on 87 pump gas ..BMC race air filter ..

My 2012 ran 8.50 and 8.52 .. It had 65.5 wheel base , air shifted , Brocks Alien head 2 pipe , NO P/C or Tune , running 89 pump gas, STOCK air filter in place .. These were done without the clutch mod , springs or shims .. I also used a ZZZ oring chain unlike my 09 that used a DZR2 non oring drag chain ..

I have added more mods to get it to run 8.47 .. I added a P/C and street map , still running pump gas .. Brock clutch mod and a set of drag pack clutches , The 8.47 came in at a DA over 2100+ in the 90 deg air with high humdity ... The 8.50 and 8.52 were done in much better DA .. Let me also add that i have over 5000 runs on my old ZX14s in all types of air great , good and bad .. The very best was 8.76 @ 153 to 154 .. I have very few runs on the new ZX14R .. Good air this fall it's goning low 8.40s , maybe even a high 8.30 ...




the 8.47

air shift is that auto shifting or button shifting.. what about ecu editor .. drag shock, ceramic wheel bearings i know you posted about these things .. did they just slip your mind cause you getting old or you never used them ..i can't remember thats me getting old... .. did the 09 have any of those things
1bad i DID NOT !!! have any of those mods when i ran 8.50s .. All those mods came later .. Those mods are what helped me in the heat to run that 8.47 .. You know this shit because we talked about it on the phone .. Yes i have had the autoshift on the bike from the start .. So what ? You think i can't press a button after doing it 70000 times on my old zx14s ?
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smokinstorm


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posted June 26, 2012 08:37 PM        
Old age is a bitch. Can't remember shit Captain.
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1badzx12r


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posted June 26, 2012 08:37 PM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 27 Jun 2012 03:41
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So what ? You think i can press a button after doing it 7000 times on my old zx14s ?



no you can't ..autoshift will help ET just like an air shifter over foot shifting.. i'm sure you foot shifted a bike 1,000.000 times but yet you run an air shifter.. me too ..i wonder why...


take the shift chip out and mail it to me before your next track day... and post those ET's
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smokinZX14


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posted June 26, 2012 08:44 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Jun 2012 03:45
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So what ? You think i can press a button after doing it 7000 times on my old zx14s ?



no you can't ..autoshift will help ET just like an air shifter over foot shifting.. i'm sure you foot shifted a bike 1,000.000 times but yet you run an air shifter.. me too ..i wonder why...


take the shift chip out and mail it to me before your next track day... and post those ET's
OK 1bad it also has a button ... Just for you i'll pull the shift chip out next time i go to the track and push the funking button ... It will still run high 8.40s , you can bet on that .. I had 4 OZ co2 bottle on that bike at first and ran out of CO2 so i had to foot shift a few runs and still went 8.50s ..


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smokinZX14


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posted June 26, 2012 08:50 PM        
Big Foot if i can't do it i'll send your a 12 pack of coke and 12 hamburges , hell i'll even toss in 6 hot dogs ..lol...
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Bueller


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posted June 26, 2012 08:51 PM        Edited By: Bueller on 27 Jun 2012 03:54
What was your 60' and 1/8th on the fastest? can pm it if needed, and rider weight also if non-issue. opps you said 1/8
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1badzx12r


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posted June 26, 2012 08:57 PM        
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Big Foot if i can't do it i'll send your a 12 pack of coke and 12 hamburges , hell i'll even toss in 6 hot dogs ..lol...




works for me .. 8.47 to 8.50 on button ..thats about your average on auto shift .
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smokinZX14


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posted June 26, 2012 08:57 PM        
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What was your 60' and 1/8th on the fastest? can pm it if needed, and rider weight also if non-issue
Was having a problem hooking when i ran that 5.42 so i left softer than normal .. 1.33 .. I have been as low as 1.30 but that was before the rest of the mods that i added .. But it has run 5.42 before this run with less mods but better air ..


5.42 run in the heat ..



Better air .. not great air but better than the 5.42 run but with less mods


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Viper


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posted June 26, 2012 09:02 PM        
I don't know why people don't think that head work makes a big difference when it does. The 2012 is factory ported only on the intakes, the guides are not even cut down. Cut the guides down port the exhaust and you will pick up more hp and tq. My bike is set up pretty much as Bueller is saying, he's seen it and even ran against it. I had a 150 lb rider on his 3rd pass ever on my bike run a 5.53 @132with only a 1.38 60ft. We did find out that the clutches were slipping, and had bent steels, I guess that's why we could only get a 1.38 60ft out of it. That was on mr12 but I probably wont be running that anytime soon. Dave I will even let you make a couple passes on it if you don't think the bike is strong
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posted June 26, 2012 09:02 PM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 27 Jun 2012 04:03
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It will still run high 8.40s , you can bet on that .. I had 4 OZ co2 bottle on that bike at first and ran out of CO2 so i had to foot shift a few runs and still went 8.50s ..



thats a tenth .. and a tenth in dragracing is huge ..wouldn't you say


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posted June 26, 2012 09:05 PM        Edited By: 01smokes on 27 Jun 2012 04:07
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It will still run high 8.40s , you can bet on that .. I had 4 OZ co2 bottle on that bike at first and ran out of CO2 so i had to foot shift a few runs and still went 8.50s ..



thats a tenth .. and a tenth in dragracing is huge ..wouldn't you say



A tenth is the difference between a 7.90and a 8.00 That is a huge difference when looking at it like that right?
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smokinZX14


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posted June 26, 2012 09:05 PM        
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It will still run high 8.40s , you can bet on that .. I had 4 OZ co2 bottle on that bike at first and ran out of CO2 so i had to foot shift a few runs and still went 8.50s ..


thats a tenth .. and a tenth in dragracing is huge ..wouldn't you say


I agree .. but foot shifting i dropped a tenth .. Now way air shifting with an auto shift Vs my button is going to be a tenth .. I know because i have already tried it ..So what do i get if i win ?
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posted June 26, 2012 09:09 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Jun 2012 04:10
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It will still run high 8.40s , you can bet on that .. I had 4 OZ co2 bottle on that bike at first and ran out of CO2 so i had to foot shift a few runs and still went 8.50s ..



thats a tenth .. and a tenth in dragracing is huge ..wouldn't you say



A tenth is the difference between a 7.90and a 8.00 That is a huge difference when looking at it like that right?
Glad you redid your math ... lol you had 7.99 to 8.19 before you hit the ed button ...
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posted June 26, 2012 09:09 PM        
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I don't know why people don't think that head work makes a big difference when it does. The 2012 is factory ported only on the intakes, the guides are not even cut down. Cut the guides down port the exhaust and you will pick up more hp and tq. My bike is set up pretty much as Bueller is saying, he's seen it and even ran against it. I had a 150 lb rider on his 3rd pass ever on my bike run a 5.53 @132with only a 1.38 60ft. We did find out that the clutches were slipping, and had bent steels, I guess that's why we could only get a 1.38 60ft out of it. That was on mr12 but I probably wont be running that anytime soon. Dave I will even let you make a couple passes on it if you don't think the bike is strong


We know it's strong. You've trapped more MPH than anybody on the planet has posted about to date.
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posted June 26, 2012 09:12 PM        Edited By: smokinZX14 on 27 Jun 2012 04:13
Good night guys ... Wife has to have a knee replacement in the AM so i can't stay and bull shit anymore tonight ... Have fun ...
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posted June 26, 2012 09:12 PM        
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It will still run high 8.40s , you can bet on that .. I had 4 OZ co2 bottle on that bike at first and ran out of CO2 so i had to foot shift a few runs and still went 8.50s ..



thats a tenth .. and a tenth in dragracing is huge ..wouldn't you say



A tenth is the difference between a 7.90and a 8.00 That is a huge difference when looking at it like that right?
Glad you redid your math ... lol you had 7.99 to 8.19 before you hit the ed button ...


Haha ya i got to it as soon as I looked at it lol.
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posted June 26, 2012 09:15 PM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 27 Jun 2012 04:16
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It will still run high 8.40s , you can bet on that .. I had 4 OZ co2 bottle on that bike at first and ran out of CO2 so i had to foot shift a few runs and still went 8.50s ..


thats a tenth .. and a tenth in dragracing is huge ..wouldn't you say


I agree .. but foot shifting i dropped a tenth .. Now way air shifting with an auto shift Vs my button is going to be a tenth .. I know because i have already tried it ..So what do i get if i win ?




A 9000 CALORIE HOMEMADE APPLE PIE .. i'm not saying you gonna drop a tenth .. i'm saying your not gonna run as good a times as auto shifting and have consistency .. i gave you a 0.300 window
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posted June 26, 2012 09:20 PM        Edited By: Bueller on 27 Jun 2012 04:23
thx smokin for info. I really just am seeking info. I know that a factory port isnt gonna be the same as a pro job. And i am not saying that the bike isnt strong. I am trying to get an actual base for improvement over a bike with the same (or close) setup. as we know those things are easy and first, and give good gains to stock. """I"""" also know what my personal best is, and what number I am wantnig to see that bike do as to consider looking into one. I know that it being stock motor can also be improved, but am also waiting to see some builds of this block to see how buildable it is and keep streetable.
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Viper


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posted June 26, 2012 09:34 PM        
I may let Block do my head this winter and that will tell the story, also we are still running the stock air filter as it slows down with it removed. This bike has alot of potental with it.
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Viper


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posted June 26, 2012 09:37 PM        
Who knows what we can get with a custom tune for the area where we run, its just scratching the surface
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