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posted May 02, 2012 04:01 PM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 2 May 2012 23:02
Best way to remove zzz o'rings ?

Any tips on how to remove the o'rings from a chain?
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posted May 02, 2012 04:07 PM        
Oh no you are not ! Kill a nice chain ? Just buy a DZR2 and save the ZZZ ..
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posted May 02, 2012 04:09 PM        
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Any tips on how to remove the o'rings from a chain?



ask brock ...
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posted May 02, 2012 04:25 PM        
Oring pick.
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posted May 02, 2012 04:36 PM        
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Oh no you are not ! Kill a nice chain ? Just buy a DZR2 and save the ZZZ ..


x 10!!!
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posted May 02, 2012 04:37 PM        
Do you really pick up any from it?
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smokinZX14


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posted May 02, 2012 04:58 PM        
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Do you really pick up any from it?
I don't know .. But i'm not picking the Orings out of my ZZZ chain to find out ..
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posted May 02, 2012 05:06 PM        
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posted May 02, 2012 06:22 PM        
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Any tips on how to remove the o'rings from a chain?


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eklipse636


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posted May 02, 2012 06:56 PM        
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Do you really pick up any from it?
I don't know .. But i'm not picking the Orings out of my ZZZ chain to find out ..


My zzz is going on 5 years old, it's probably time to get a new one, but I still can't make myself sit down long enough to do that
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posted May 02, 2012 07:48 PM        
u stock lenth? if so i have a chain u can use for a drag brand new . the zzz is a sweet chain.

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posted May 02, 2012 09:09 PM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 3 May 2012 04:13
Thanks Joseph and everyone that replied.
I tried it a couple difference ways, but putting the bike on the rear stand and a hook pick set ($7.99)from Advance Auto worked best.
It took about 2 hours to complete(70"wb), some of that time was just figuring out how to do it.
The rear wheel turns much easier now.

I am running two classes tomorrow night (Fastest Bike at the Track and 6.0 index) I will run the Fastest Bike class on nitrous and the 6.0 class on motor with a nitrous map, and fuel. With this set-up on motor my bike runs about 6.1-6.05, therefor, I removed the o'rings and made a few other changes to try to get the bike to run 6.0 flat.
wish me luck,
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posted May 02, 2012 09:24 PM        
I was told the removal is worth about 2 hp... less resistance,less heat = less energy to turn the rotating assymbly....
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posted May 02, 2012 09:31 PM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 3 May 2012 05:20
Brock said it should make the 227hp 14r make 230hp. However, his bike is stock wheel base. At 70" I am looking for a 4hp gain .
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posted May 03, 2012 01:03 AM        Edited By: BobC on 3 May 2012 08:05
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Brock said it should make the 227hp 14r make 230hp. However, his bike is stock wheel base. At 70" I am looking for a 4hp gain .


Could you explain your reasoning for why the gains change with wheelbase? I assumed that the only gains to be had in removing the o-rings were from reduced friction in the section of chain around the sprockets and that does not change with wheelbase. The straight run of chain makes no difference apart from the slight increase in mass for a longer one. Or have I misunderstood ?
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posted May 03, 2012 03:22 AM        
I don't think creating heat is going to be a issue while drag racing. Not enough time
Build heat up.
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posted May 03, 2012 03:40 AM        
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I don't think creating heat is going to be a issue while drag racing. Not enough time
Build heat up.
I'm gonna start cooling my chain instead of the engine in between runs....

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Paul2281


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posted May 03, 2012 10:13 AM        
Maybe Brock will come out with some "0"weight chain lube for chains that used to have o-rings...Worth 3 to 4 hp.....
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posted May 03, 2012 11:36 AM        
You just took your ZZZ chain from at least a 3 season chain into a 1 season or less chain.
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posted May 03, 2012 11:42 AM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 3 May 2012 18:47
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Brock said it should make the 227hp 14r make 230hp. However, his bike is stock wheel base. At 70" I am looking for a 4hp gain .


Could you explain your reasoning for why the gains change with wheelbase? I assumed that the only gains to be had in removing the o-rings were from reduced friction in the section of chain around the sprockets and that does not change with wheelbase. The straight run of chain makes no difference apart from the slight increase in mass for a longer one. Or have I misunderstood ?


Each o'ring was wedged in tightly. Once removed, each link moved much more freely.
My reasoning it that reducing the drag on 70" wb chain v/s 57" wb chain will yield a greater over all drag reduction due to the fact that each o'ring removed reduces friction.
Even the links of the chain that are not on the sprocket are still in motion and have less friction due the o'rings being removed.
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posted May 03, 2012 11:46 AM        
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Brock said it should make the 227hp 14r make 230hp. However, his bike is stock wheel base. At 70" I am looking for a 4hp gain .


Could you explain your reasoning for why the gains change with wheelbase? I assumed that the only gains to be had in removing the o-rings were from reduced friction in the section of chain around the sprockets and that does not change with wheelbase. The straight run of chain makes no difference apart from the slight increase in mass for a longer one. Or have I misunderstood ?


Each o'ring was wedged in tightly. Once removed each link moved much more freely.
My reasoning it that reducing the drag on 70" wb chain v/s 57" wb chain will yield a greater over all drag reduction due to the fact that each o'ring removed reduces friction.
Even the links of the chain that are not on the sprocket are still in motion and have less friction due the o'rings being removed.


What he's trying to say is unless the chain is around a sprocket it's not moving(bending, where the orings cause friction)
Your saying you will gain hp bc you have more chain vs swb, but actually your loosing hp vs stock wheelbase because you have more chain.
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posted May 03, 2012 11:56 AM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 3 May 2012 19:10
"Your saying you will gain hp bc you have more chain vs swb, but actually your loosing hp vs stock wheelbase because you have more chain."

No, I am saying I will have a greater reduction in friction due to removing more orings which will free-up more hp.

70" of orings removed reduces more friction than 57" of orings removed.
The chain is moving even when it is not on the sprocket.

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posted May 03, 2012 12:32 PM        Edited By: BLK ICE on 3 May 2012 19:36
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You just took your ZZZ chain from at least a 3 season chain into a 1 season or less chain.

My chain is 2 years old. I am going to replace it anyway, I just want to test to see if I would gain anything with a non oring chain so I will know which chain would be the best replacement (zzz or dzr2).
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posted May 03, 2012 01:00 PM        
I've run 2, maybe 3 DRZ2 chains. Will not run one again! Way too much maintenance and I wore 1 out a year. No losses going to the ZZZ chain. Actually I believe the ZZZ is lighter than the DZR2.
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posted May 03, 2012 02:57 PM        
My record gain on the dyno by removing the o-rings is 7 RWHP... but there are many variables. The 7 was on a Busa, stock chain and it was old/gritty/dirty etc. we didn't even pull it off of the dyno to remove the o-rings. We can do it in about a half hour. I have a trick where I grind a pair of side-cutters (dykes) and can snip and pull the o-rings in 2 motions.

When an o-ring chain is constructed, the o-rings are pressed between the rollers and plates, remove the o-rings and you now have a nice gap on each side. The chain is then VERY loose. With a non o-ring chain, the plates are pressed directly against the rollers, you don't have o-ring friction... but it's still MUCH tighter than removing the o-rings.

I can see BLK ICE gaining more on his longer chain by removing more friction… not sure how much? We picked up 2.5 removing them on Slugger in a back to back test, but our weather is now hot/humid, so I may have to wait until fall to see my 230

**CAUTION** if you remove your o-rings YOU MUST OIL YOUR CHAIN FREQUENTLY. We use our Alisyn chain lube on the street and <<0 motor oil on the dyno and race track.

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