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justoyz2


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posted December 11, 2011 05:40 AM        Edited By: justoyz2 on 11 Dec 2011 12:55
Exhaust Comparo

Does anyone know the performance of the following exhausts? I perfer to hear the numbers mounted on a zx14, but busa numbers will help.

Brock's CT-single (1700.00)
Brock's AH2 (1100.00)
Brock's AH (1100.00)
Brock's SMEG (1000.00)
Muzzy's M14 (800.00) ebay new
Ti-Force (1000.00)

It's time to make a purchase and I need your assistance to aid in this process.
I am looking at mid & peak hp rating as well as tq numbers
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CajunBoyz


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posted December 11, 2011 07:13 AM        
i WANT the SHORTY Smeg like on the org 14's
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dakota9498


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posted December 11, 2011 10:36 AM        Edited By: dakota9498 on 11 Dec 2011 17:43
quote:
Does anyone know the performance of the following exhausts? I perfer to hear the numbers mounted on a zx14, but busa numbers will help.

Brock's CT-single (1700.00)
Brock's AH2 (1100.00)
Brock's AH (1100.00)
Brock's SMEG (1000.00)
Muzzy's M14 (800.00) ebay new
Ti-Force (1000.00)

It's time to make a purchase and I need your assistance to aid in this process.
I am looking at mid & peak hp rating as well as tq numbers


Everyone of those pipes are going to make within a few horsepower of each other. The CT made more power (a few ponies) than the others on the Gen 1, I would assume it would be even more relevant on a larger displacement bike because the pipes are slightly larger. That being said the AH was said by Brock to limit bigger engines hence the AH2, so it should be back on par with the SMEG, etc... There was a post on here with a dozen or so exhausts compared and all of them made within a couple of power of each other. Brock had numbers for all of his exhausts on his site.

*Edit* With all that being said, everyone probably knows what I would recommend. Brock's all the way, and I am sort of partial to the CT series.
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posted December 11, 2011 10:38 AM        
Brocks smeg ..Bikeland members get a discount ....
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posted December 12, 2011 07:06 AM        Edited By: Wheelie on 12 Dec 2011 14:07
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Does anyone know the performance of the following exhausts? I perfer to hear the numbers mounted on a zx14, but busa numbers will help.

Brock's CT-single (1700.00)
Brock's AH2 (1100.00)
Brock's AH (1100.00)
Brock's SMEG (1000.00)
Muzzy's M14 (800.00) ebay new
Ti-Force (1000.00)

It's time to make a purchase and I need your assistance to aid in this process.
I am looking at mid & peak hp rating as well as tq numbers


Everyone of those pipes are going to make within a few horsepower of each other. The CT made more power (a few ponies) than the others on the Gen 1,.
really? not in this test,

http://www.superstreetbike.com/howtos/1101_sbkp_exhaust_systems_shootout/viewall.html

Muzzle is King, you also claim the CT has the most ground clearance? Shane reported they appear even on that, at $750 to your door for the Muzzle m10/14 it looks like the bargain for a penny pincher.

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posted December 12, 2011 07:20 AM        
quote:
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Does anyone know the performance of the following exhausts? I perfer to hear the numbers mounted on a zx14, but busa numbers will help.

Brock's CT-single (1700.00)
Brock's AH2 (1100.00)
Brock's AH (1100.00)
Brock's SMEG (1000.00)
Muzzy's M14 (800.00) ebay new
Ti-Force (1000.00)

It's time to make a purchase and I need your assistance to aid in this process.
I am looking at mid & peak hp rating as well as tq numbers


Everyone of those pipes are going to make within a few horsepower of each other. The CT made more power (a few ponies) than the others on the Gen 1,.
really? not in this test,

http://www.superstreetbike.com/howtos/1101_sbkp_exhaust_systems_shootout/viewall.html

Muzzle is King, you also claim the CT has the most ground clearance? Shane reported they appear even on that, at $750 to your door for the Muzzle m10/14 it looks like the bargain for a penny pincher.

wee
but the radiator does have to be shimmed out on the Muzzle.

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posted December 12, 2011 09:34 AM        Edited By: GREYHOUNDMOSES on 12 Dec 2011 16:35
$570 TYD

http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-09-Kawasaki-ZX14-Muzzy-stnls-Full-Exhaust-rnd-Alum-/400221494830?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item5d2f0f5e2e#shId

And for once a seller who will ship internationally without stupid costs! $90 to the UK
I have been quoted over $700 shipping for an exhaust !!!

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posted December 12, 2011 09:39 AM        
$770 with shipping,

wee

http://www.starcycle-usa.com/servlet/the-65253/06-dsh-10-2006-2007-2008/Detail

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Wheelie


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posted December 12, 2011 09:40 AM        
btw, I'm buying a Brock pipe.

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dakota9498


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posted December 12, 2011 10:25 AM        
quote:
quote:
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Does anyone know the performance of the following exhausts? I perfer to hear the numbers mounted on a zx14, but busa numbers will help.

Brock's CT-single (1700.00)
Brock's AH2 (1100.00)
Brock's AH (1100.00)
Brock's SMEG (1000.00)
Muzzy's M14 (800.00) ebay new
Ti-Force (1000.00)

It's time to make a purchase and I need your assistance to aid in this process.
I am looking at mid & peak hp rating as well as tq numbers


Everyone of those pipes are going to make within a few horsepower of each other. The CT made more power (a few ponies) than the others on the Gen 1,.
really? not in this test,

http://www.superstreetbike.com/howtos/1101_sbkp_exhaust_systems_shootout/viewall.html

Muzzle is King, you also claim the CT has the most ground clearance? Shane reported they appear even on that, at $750 to your door for the Muzzle m10/14 it looks like the bargain for a penny pincher.

wee


Shane talks about it in two different threads where they are the same ground clearance if not a slight advantage to the CT. But I don't care if the Muzzy gave me head every time I started the bike they can keep that shit.
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Wheelie


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posted December 12, 2011 10:32 AM        
quote:
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Does anyone know the performance of the following exhausts? I perfer to hear the numbers mounted on a zx14, but busa numbers will help.

Brock's CT-single (1700.00)
Brock's AH2 (1100.00)
Brock's AH (1100.00)
Brock's SMEG (1000.00)
Muzzy's M14 (800.00) ebay new
Ti-Force (1000.00)

It's time to make a purchase and I need your assistance to aid in this process.
I am looking at mid & peak hp rating as well as tq numbers


Everyone of those pipes are going to make within a few horsepower of each other. The CT made more power (a few ponies) than the others on the Gen 1,.
really? not in this test,

http://www.superstreetbike.com/howtos/1101_sbkp_exhaust_systems_shootout/viewall.html

Muzzle is King, you also claim the CT has the most ground clearance? Shane reported they appear even on that, at $750 to your door for the Muzzle m10/14 it looks like the bargain for a penny pincher.

wee


Shane talks about it in two different threads where they are the same ground clearance if not a slight advantage to the CT. But I don't care if the Muzzy gave me head every time I started the bike they can keep that shit.
that makes sense, they have the same ground clearance but the ct has a slight advantage ? lol now about the ct having a few ponies more? did you see my link? advantage Muzzle.

wee


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posted December 12, 2011 10:37 AM        
dakota9498, the op is looking for peak numbers and gave his pipe choices, I'm just trying to help him

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justoyz2


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posted December 18, 2011 06:01 AM        
Does anyone knows the power difference between the SMEG and the AH1?
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posted December 18, 2011 06:09 AM        
Just toyz, are you building a all out drag bike? If not, there's not enough difference between these exhaust. Pick whichever one you like.
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justoyz2


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posted December 18, 2011 06:43 AM        
I do normal track racing, occasionally some street roll-ons. As to the building, I normally won't. With this 14R, I will be doing the 47mm TBs, SS head pkg and possibly degreeing the cam(more so not).

I want to get the CT, but that's alot of money for a few more ponies around 6k rpm. The peak is only like 2 to 3 hp gain, but it's over the AH1. Just looking at Lee's dyno he is 3 behind the CT that Seno posted and like 2 over the Wee's M14/m10.

I purchased a used AH1 for an extremely low price; I am trying to determine how much power this pipe will yield compared to the SMEG. I haven't found any dyno charts that depicts the advantage/disadvantage comparing the SMEG to the AH1
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posted December 18, 2011 06:50 AM        
quote:
I do normal track racing, occasionally some street roll-ons. As to the building, I normally won't. With this 14R, I will be doing the 47mm TBs, SS head pkg and possibly degreeing the cam(more so not).

I want to get the CT, but that's alot of money for a few more ponies around 6k rpm. The peak is only like 2 to 3 hp gain, but it's over the AH1. Just looking at Lee's dyno he is 3 behind the CT that Seno posted and like 2 over the Wee's M14/m10.

I purchased a used AH1 for an extremely low price; I am trying to determine how much power this pipe will yield compared to the SMEG. I haven't found any dyno charts that depicts the advantage/disadvantage comparing the SMEG to the AH1


In the past on the old 14 I was always told the AH is worth about 1 hp over the smeg. at least that's what the guys at Brocks used to tell me.

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posted December 18, 2011 06:54 AM        Edited By: Wheelie on 18 Dec 2011 17:01
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Pick which ever one you like.
That ^

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jlewis02


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posted December 18, 2011 10:05 AM        
Brock's CT-single it looks the best
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posted December 18, 2011 10:30 AM        Edited By: Seno on 18 Dec 2011 17:31
I bought the CT Single and got to tell you.... LOVE IT!!! If you check Schnitz, he has them for $1600 I believe. Check out how much of a Discount Brock's gives to Bikeland members. So far without tuning, it makes the most HP I believe. All the pipes are relatively close, I guess it really depends on you personaly... Nicest pipe I have ever had..


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justoyz2


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posted December 18, 2011 11:18 AM        
Seno,


Yeah, you are correct, I have not seen another pipe on this bike produce more than the CT single. Your horsepower price is $8.00 per. Now if I can only find out the hp difference between the AH and the SMEG, I can truly make a good assessment.

As posted earlier, the AH makes 1 hp over the SMEG; with that said Lee's bike pulled 197 SAE, if I get what he got, than my hp ratio is $1.52 per.

An avg SMEG goes for 600.00, which equates to $3.04

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posted December 18, 2011 11:30 AM        
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Seno,


Yeah, you are correct, I have not seen another pipe on this bike produce more than the CT single. Your horsepower price is $8.00 per. Now if I can only find out the hp difference between the AH and the SMEG, I can truly make a good assessment.

As posted earlier, the AH makes 1 hp over the SMEG; with that said Lee's bike pulled 197 SAE, if I get what he got, than my hp ratio is $1.52 per.

An avg SMEG goes for 600.00, which equates to $3.04

stock pipes make around 190, adding a pipe gains 10 hp, CT $1800 $180 per hp yes?

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posted December 18, 2011 11:54 AM        
Justtoyz2
Instead of making decisions based on different pipes on different bikes on different dynos,
all making within a few hp and then using bad math, why don't you wait until you actually buy a 14R!
By then Brock will have all the info you are asking for and a dozen or more guys who own a 14R will have done all the research for you!

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posted December 18, 2011 11:56 AM        
Brock was spot on in his statement of comparing different dyno results. Not to mention the run conditions, that dynojets are incapable of correcting how the conditions will effect the motorcycle itself. Do not forget break-in miles, as 400 extra miles will show more hp on a new bike.

If I was looking to make a decision on hp alone, there is no way I would make it based on these comparisons.

As Brock said..
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posted December 18, 2011 01:38 PM        
Used to be you would want a pipe with a good torque spread for the street but with this bike the pipe can be a top end tuned pipe as there is so much torque a little less no loss. That titanium sounds good but it is costly. I'm almost thinking for street use slip ons even though the head pipe is heavy probably going to be good enough. That's weight over the front also.
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posted December 18, 2011 03:52 PM        
Likewise here, but I want a single outlet exhaust system. The CT looks really nice. I'm sure it sounds it, too. Unless someone comes up w/a crossover connector pipe to effect a single outlet slip-on, I'll have to go full exhaust. If the crossover deal is even possible/probably on the 14R.
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