HOME ARTICLES JOIN GALLERY STORE SPONSORS MARKETPLACE CONTACT US  
Register | FAQ | Search | Memberlist
Username:    Password:       Forgot your password?
BIKELAND > FORUMS > ZX-14.com > Thread: I Have Bad News About The Secondaries NEW TOPIC NEW POLL POST REPLY
Wheelie


Needs a life
Old Man
Posts: 6902
posted November 28, 2011 07:30 PM        
I Have Bad News About The Secondaries

They have to come out, they open slow, you know what that means? MORE POWER SHAZZAM!!!!!!

wee

  Ignore this member   
ZX14Mike


Zone Head
Posts: 891
posted November 28, 2011 07:31 PM        
Wheelie how much you "THINK" the secondaries are limiting the lowend power?
  Ignore this member   
Wheelie


Needs a life
Old Man
Posts: 6902
posted November 28, 2011 07:32 PM        
they are at about half way open at 7k hehe

wee

  Ignore this member   
ZX14Mike


Zone Head
Posts: 891
posted November 28, 2011 07:32 PM        
WOW!!!!!!!!!
  Ignore this member   
Wheelie


Needs a life
Old Man
Posts: 6902
posted November 28, 2011 07:33 PM        
quote:
Wheelie how much you "THINK" the secondaries are limiting the lowend power?
uhdunno probably a bunch

wee

  Ignore this member   
fish_antlers


Administrator
The Truth is Out There
Posts: 20688
posted November 28, 2011 07:34 PM        
Aren't there several power modes on that machine? Can't you trigger the secondary opening digitally without having to remove them?
____________
What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?


  Ignore this member    Click here to visit fish_antlers's homepage. 
Wheelie


Needs a life
Old Man
Posts: 6902
posted November 28, 2011 07:35 PM        
quote:
Aren't there several power modes on that machine? Can't you trigger the secondary opening digitally without having to remove them?
I have it on full power.

wee

  Ignore this member   
Shane661


Needs a life
Posts: 11491
posted November 28, 2011 07:35 PM        Edited By: Shane661 on 29 Nov 2011 02:36
quote:
quote:
Wheelie how much you "THINK" the secondaries are limiting the lowend power?
uhdunno probably a bunch

wee



  Ignore this member   
Wheelie


Needs a life
Old Man
Posts: 6902
posted November 28, 2011 07:36 PM        
at 7k they are 1/4 open

wee

  Ignore this member   
JZX


Zone Head
Posts: 943
posted November 28, 2011 07:37 PM        
If you come off the clutch at 7k( if they are wide open at that point ) you may not notice when you pull them. But for sure it will be more on the dyno under that RPM just like gen 1.

Don't pull em yet- unless u want a zx10 pc.
____________
06 ZX14 65"

Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'


  Ignore this member   
JZX


Zone Head
Posts: 943
posted November 28, 2011 07:39 PM        
quote:
quote:
quote:
Wheelie how much you "THINK" the secondaries are limiting the lowend power?
uhdunno probably a bunch

wee





I have a shirt with that pic on it, lol
____________
06 ZX14 65"

Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'


  Ignore this member   
Wheelie


Needs a life
Old Man
Posts: 6902
posted November 28, 2011 07:39 PM        
quote:
If you come off the clutch at 7k( if they are wide open at that point ) you may not notice when you pull them. But for sure it will be more on the dyno under that RPM just like gen 1.

Don't pull em yet- unless u want a zx10 pc.
my data logger will let me know, I can hold 7k and they are barely opening.

wee

  Ignore this member   
kaw now


Expert Class
Posts: 437
posted November 28, 2011 07:45 PM        
How are you checking the opening rate?

  Ignore this member   
JZX


Zone Head
Posts: 943
posted November 28, 2011 07:50 PM        
That thing may be un-raceable SWB if those blades are pulled
____________
06 ZX14 65"

Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'


  Ignore this member   
1badzx12r


Needs a life
Posts: 8321
posted November 28, 2011 07:52 PM        Edited By: 1badzx12r on 29 Nov 2011 02:54
i told ya'll something was denutting that bike ..

better call ivan and get a tre
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

  Ignore this member   
frEEk


Administrator
ummm... yeah
Posts: 9504
posted November 28, 2011 08:23 PM        
Wheelie, I suspect fish meant by hacking the ECU (eventually) or by an inline signal adjustment (a la how PCs work).

1bad, don't think I'd call that denutting. It will have full power at peak power WOT... this is just restricting airflow at lower RPMs (and I'm sure you know restricted airflow doesn't _alwasy_ mean less power).

  Ignore this member    Click here to visit frEEk's homepage. 
Wheelie


Needs a life
Old Man
Posts: 6902
posted November 28, 2011 08:29 PM        
quote:
Wheelie, I suspect fish meant by hacking the ECU (eventually) or by an inline signal adjustment (a la how PCs work).

1bad, don't think I'd call that denutting. It will have full power at peak power WOT... this is just restricting airflow at lower RPMs (and I'm sure you know restricted airflow doesn't _alwasy_ mean less power).
yeah that's what he meant, I remember my 06 after pulling them hope the 012 gets the same or close results. It will really help on take offs.

wee

  Ignore this member   
madnessracing


Pro
Vmax and Busa Beater
Posts: 1140
posted November 28, 2011 08:42 PM        
Good News!
____________
Shorty's Performance
Team Madness Racing

  Ignore this member   
1badzx12r


Needs a life
Posts: 8321
posted November 28, 2011 08:52 PM        
quote:


1bad, don't think I'd call that denutting. It will have full power at peak power WOT... this is just restricting airflow at lower RPMs (and I'm sure you know restricted airflow doesn't _alwasy_ mean less power).



stay out of the motors you got enough issues keeping this website flowing ..
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

  Ignore this member   
frEEk


Administrator
ummm... yeah
Posts: 9504
posted November 28, 2011 08:57 PM        
yes sah! whatever you say sah!
  Ignore this member    Click here to visit frEEk's homepage. 
fish_antlers


Administrator
The Truth is Out There
Posts: 20688
posted November 28, 2011 10:26 PM        
quote:
Wheelie, I suspect fish meant by hacking the ECU (eventually) or by an inline signal adjustment (a la how PCs work).

1bad, don't think I'd call that denutting. It will have full power at peak power WOT... this is just restricting airflow at lower RPMs (and I'm sure you know restricted airflow doesn't _alwasy_ mean less power).



No, that's not what I meant or I would have said that . I meant selecting the power , or changing to a race ecu
____________
What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?


  Ignore this member    Click here to visit fish_antlers's homepage. 
frEEk


Administrator
ummm... yeah
Posts: 9504
posted November 28, 2011 10:51 PM        
well that's a pretty stupid thing to say then. Wheelie doesn't have a race ecu yet (and how would he know if the race ecu covers that?), and do you seriously think he was testing in low power mode? go trolling with 1bad. this is boring.
  Ignore this member    Click here to visit frEEk's homepage. 
Romans


Expert Class
Posts: 292
posted November 29, 2011 03:59 AM        
quote:
They have to come out, they open slow, you know what that means? MORE POWER SHAZZAM!!!!!!

wee



Look forward to reading your impression afterwards. Cheers
____________
2012 ZX-14 R Turbo, 2010 ZX-14 Turbo, 2007 ZX-14, 2009 ZX-6R, YZ 450F

  Ignore this member   
wrongway


Pro
Posts: 1078
posted November 29, 2011 08:23 AM        
quote:
quote:
Aren't there several power modes on that machine? Can't you trigger the secondary opening digitally without having to remove them?
I have it on full power.

wee



the secondaries are probably affected by throttle position and rpm ... so holding it at 7k may not give you all the info. data logging the secondary throttle positions sensor during a run is better.


If this bike is like the '06-'07 , try adding a resister to make the ecu think you are in 5th or 6th might open them faster . Measure the resistance thru the gear selector when the bike is in 1st - 6th ... I used a 270 Ohm resister to make the ecu think the bike was always in 6th .

might be an easy test , back - back runs and look at the data logger.

Roy

  Ignore this member   
Lucky14


Pro
Posts: 1439
posted November 29, 2011 08:45 AM        
quote:
...........the secondaries are probably affected by throttle position and rpm ... so holding it at 7k may not give you all the info.
.

Roy


Wheelie, this is what I was suggesting on the phone when your battery died last night, so I don't know how much you heard.

It needs to be at WOT to know when they are fully opened for what we care about..

That's prolly a 2 person job, one to watch the flies and one to watch the tach.

Maybe keep moving the shift light setting up or down until it flashes when they are open.



____________
You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.

  Ignore this member   
All times are America/Va [ This thread is 3 pages long: 1  2  3     Next» ] < Previous Thread     Next Thread >
Quick Reply:

Email Notification: Send all replies to your email address.
BIKELAND > FORUMS > ZX-14.com > Thread: I Have Bad News About The Secondaries NEW TOPIC NEW POLL POST REPLY

FEATURED NEWS   Bikeland News RSS Feed

HEADLINES   Bikeland News RSS Feed


Copyright 2000-2011 Bikeland Media
Please refer to our terms of service for further information
0.889531850815 seconds processing time