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posted December 15, 2010 07:25 PM
How fast can a ZX-14 go on a stock motor?
I don't care about uphill, downhill, here or in Zimbabwe...
....how fast has one gone and who did it?
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posted December 15, 2010 07:28 PM
Well smokin could of answered that but he does not come here anymore. don't know why.
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posted December 15, 2010 07:40 PM
Thats a shame.
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posted December 15, 2010 07:54 PM
Yup he always answered my pms when I had ?'s and so did shane. really this board was why I was thinking about going back to another 14 next year. it's guys like smokin,shane,osr and a few others.
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posted December 15, 2010 08:58 PM
smokin is on vacation as well??
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posted December 15, 2010 09:00 PM
 Edited By: shiphteey on 16 Dec 2010 05:01
Something ain't right....why would Smokin just up and dip out?
Something smells fishy.
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posted December 15, 2010 10:56 PM
Ya 'specially when he popped up and gave input over on my forum which has been a dead zone for the past couple months. Very glad to hear from him over there. Hope he comes back home here soon.
My estimation. Stock motor, stock exhaust.......probably not much over 186 even if limiter was disabled. Put a good full system on and PC with good tune and I think you will get ~190 maybe 192. You want 200, you have to go way beyond basic mods.
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posted December 15, 2010 11:05 PM
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Something ain't right....why would Smokin just up and dip out?
Something smells fishy.
Fish told him to "put down the crack pipe" a few days ago... A year or so ago Fish made a similar comment and it really pissed Smokin off. Maybe this time was last time.
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posted December 15, 2010 11:29 PM
Dogo. that is some avatar. My 7 year old saw it and told me to "click on the bread thing." Had to chuckle at that.
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posted December 16, 2010 12:55 AM
Best I've seen is 207 by a rider called "Snail" at the 200MPH Club's Judgement Day 9. At the same meeting my bike was speed trapped at 205.4. That's stock motor (unopened) with just a pipe and PC, Speedo Healer, geared up, stock wheelbase, lowered, strapped, mirrors off and foot shifting.
Totally stock, as it left the showroom, stock gearing, mirrors on etc, with just a Speedo Healer, again at a 200MPH Club meeting, Mike Grainger has done 198.7.
I expect someone's been faster?
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posted December 16, 2010 03:28 AM
Wow 198.7... thats fast for a stocker. Sweet! 
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posted December 16, 2010 06:02 AM
I went 211.97 at loring in 2009. 1.5 miles, strong tailwind.
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posted December 16, 2010 06:35 AM
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Smoking still comes here. Just talked to him last night. He just has other priorities to take care of right now. He's hoping to get some track time on Roys bike tonight and Friday night........well he's been asked to pilot another bike. Sort of top secrete right now. Will let him tell about it if it doesn't get canceled. Our 1/8 mile track has been shut down for the past couple week because of the cold.
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posted December 16, 2010 08:01 AM
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I went 211.97 at loring in 2009. 1.5 miles, strong tailwind.
Do you think your larger-than-jockey size helped in the tailwind situation by acting as a sail and having more surface area for the wind to push?
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posted December 16, 2010 08:15 AM
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The record at Bonneville is 189.6 mph for a stock bike (PP-1650) was set by yours truly in 2006. It has not yet been broken. Stock engine, stock pipes, no mirrors but had a PC. The density altitude was close to 6,700 ft. The speed is averaged over a mile and going both directions. What that speed would be at sea level, on pavement... I don't know but one could estimate-
As for a stock motor, the bike did 199.7 mph at Bonneville in 2008 on one of my passes. Density altitude about 6,200 ft. That record still stands too.
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posted December 16, 2010 08:18 AM
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The record at Bonneville is 189.6 mph which I set in 2006. It has not yet been broken. Stock engine, stock pipes, no mirrors but had a PC. The density altitude was close to 6,700 ft. The speed is averaged over a mile and going both directions. What that speed would be at sea level, on pavement... I don't know but one could estimate-
189 is pretty stout.
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posted December 16, 2010 09:20 AM
Back in 2006 my 14 went 190mph gps in the rolling start 9/10's mile runs we have down here.
This was with drilled stock mufflers, home made hi-flow a/filter, pc3 and speed resrtiction removed and skoot at stock height. At that time the skoot made right around 163 H.P. I later did the full exhaust where i gained 10 H.P., but we never went back out to the straight line stuff. I started to focus on riding and railing. I have always wondered how fast we would have gone with the exhauist and the extra H.P.
On my dyno a de-restricted 14 will shut down the recording of a dyno run at 199 mph, before the 14 hits the engine rev limiter. By the mathmatical calculations a 14 with stock rear tire and gearing would hit 201-202 mph. This is mathmatical and does not take into account rear wheel slippage out on the road.
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posted December 16, 2010 09:54 AM
it also doesn't account for aerodynamics which is a huge factor at that speed.
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posted December 16, 2010 09:59 AM
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it also doesn't account for aerodynamics which is a huge factor at that speed.
What do you mean?
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posted December 16, 2010 10:02 AM
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The record at Bonneville is 189.6 mph for a stock bike (PP-1650) was set by yours truly in 2006. It has not yet been broken. Stock engine, stock pipes, no mirrors but had a PC. The density altitude was close to 6,700 ft. The speed is averaged over a mile and going both directions. What that speed would be at sea level, on pavement... I don't know but one could estimate-
As for a stock motor, the bike did 199.7 mph at Bonneville in 2008 on one of my passes. Density altitude about 6,200 ft. That record still stands too.
What did it run in the mile?
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posted December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
Edited By: Rook on 16 Dec 2010 18:40
I have always heard that motorcycle aeros get very hard to fight when you get up way over 100. A motorcycle is high and narrow which is the opposite of fast cars. You race alongside a vette or a Porche and you have a much better view of the road ahead even if you are in a tuck. They have an aeros advantage and you have power/weight advantage. By the time things even up the bike is long gone unless cornering comes into play. Aeros don't help much there. 4 wheels to brake and corner is hard to beat unless you are a highly skilled rider.
The aeros help but IMHO, that is not the end all and be all. There are impressive LSR runs on naked bikes. Personally, I would not feel comfortable at high speed on a naked bike.
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posted December 16, 2010 10:56 AM
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I have always heard that motorcycle aeros get very hard to fight when you get up way over 100. A motorcycle is high and narrow which is the opposite of fast cars. You race alongside a vette or a Porche and you have a much better view of the road ahead even if you are in a tuck. They have an aeros advantage and you have power/weight advantage. By the time things even up the bike is long gone unless cornering comes into play. Aeros don't help much there. 4 wheels to brake and corner is hard to beat unless you are a highly skilled rider.
The aeros help but IMHO, that is not the end all and be all. There are impressive LSR runs on naked bikes. Personally, I would not feel comfortable at high speed on a naked bike.
Interesting.
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posted December 16, 2010 11:30 AM
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The aeros help but IMHO, that is not the end all and be all. There are impressive LSR runs on naked bikes. Personally, I would not feel comfortable at high speed on a naked bike.
Air has the consistency of molasses at 200mph. Look at the runs at Maxton that Bill Warner did. That is a perfect example. He did 255 unfaired, put stock hayabusa bodywork on and went 264, put the hand-made bodywork on and went 272. Aerodynamics plays a huge role in LSR, don't fool yourself.
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posted December 16, 2010 12:35 PM
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Look at the runs at Maxton that Bill Warner did. That is a perfect example. He did 255 unfaired, put stock hayabusa bodywork on and went 264, put the hand-made bodywork on and went 274.
I thought he went 272 at Maxton and then 278 at TX?
Maybe we're talking about 2 different Bill Warners????
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posted December 16, 2010 12:36 PM
I would agree. We are looking at a 10% difference between naked and optimum. It must be even more significant sat lower speeds. I wouldn't have guessed. Still, most of us aren't going to have anything better than stock plastics. Good enough for me though. I'd take 5% faster.......if I ever went over 60 mph, that is.
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