JDC
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posted July 28, 2009 05:06 PM
 Edited By: JDC on 29 Jul 2009 01:06
Oil filters, pressure and compatible 14 filters to use?
I saw this an other articles about oil filters:
"Oil filters, and their selection, can be a mystery to us since we are not able to see how or how well they are working without getting very dirty, hooking up a bunch of instruments, and doing extensive testing on both the filter and the oil. Understanding how the oil filter works with the oil pump to provide the engine with an adequate oil pressure of relatively clean oil at all times is the first step in knowing what filter to use. Most importantly, it is more important to have the correct oil pressure and flow through the engine at all times than having the cleanest oil possible."
http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/oilfilter2.htm
I have been looking for other filters than the Kawa OEM and HI Flo 303. Does anyone know of other brands and their numbers that are compatible for the 14?
  
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14nooby
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posted July 28, 2009 05:10 PM
Mobil 1 M1-108 and M1-110
K & N KN 303 Motorcycle filter
There is an automotive K & N that fits a mazda 6 that is stocked at AutoZone and Advanced Auto parts wish I had the number off the top of my head sorry.
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posted July 28, 2009 05:10 PM
mobile one oil filter p/n m1-108
thats all i use
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zx14, little longer, little louder, little lower.
08 Busa, just a little longer and louder and lower than the 14
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posted July 28, 2009 05:22 PM
The automotive K&N is a hp -1008
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epd345
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posted July 28, 2009 05:28 PM
Napa Gold filter with Royal Purple MC 20w50 full synthentic
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JDC
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posted July 28, 2009 07:09 PM
Edited By: JDC on 29 Jul 2009 03:10
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Napa Gold filter with Royal Purple MC 20w50 full synthentic
EPD,
Which Napa number is that?
Anyone know of a Fram cross-over?
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posted July 28, 2009 07:24 PM
Fram Ph6017 A
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JDC
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posted July 28, 2009 07:33 PM
Ok, we're getting a good list here:
Hi-Flo Filtro HF 303
Mobil 1 M1-108 and M1-110
K & N KN 303 Motorcycle filter
automotive K&N is a hp -1008
Fram Ph6017 A
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derpie
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posted July 28, 2009 08:02 PM
Purolator L14612
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derpie
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posted July 28, 2009 08:05 PM
Ac Delco PF1237
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derpie
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posted July 28, 2009 08:07 PM
WIX 51365
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posted July 28, 2009 09:34 PM
Purolator PL14610
the 14610 and 14612 both work one is a little shorter.
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JDC
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posted July 28, 2009 11:11 PM
Edited By: JDC on 29 Jul 2009 07:12
Hi-Flo Filtro HF 303
Mobil 1 M1-108 and M1-110
K & N KN 303 Motorcycle filter
automotive K&N is a hp -1008
Fram Ph6017 A
Purolator L14612
Ac Delco PF1237
WIX 51365
Purolator PL14610 : the 14610 and 14612 both work one is a little shorter.
(Good info on shorter filters since the turbo exhaust is right up tight against the filter, with just enough and a tad to remove say the HI-Flo and OEM.)
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posted July 29, 2009 02:02 AM
With a Muzzy M14 exhaust the 2.5" short filter like the OEM will only fit.
I need to research the K&N filters and see if the HP-1008 for a Mazda
is made different from the K&N 303. Check valve etc. Good info.
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posted July 29, 2009 07:15 AM
Hastings LF-113 short and LF- 240f is the longer version. The 113 works good for the m14 and m14 sidewinder for clearance, and the longer filter works good when you need a little extra oil[LSR or street racing] ..........................Bill
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dattaway2
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posted July 29, 2009 08:47 AM
extended length Purolator PL14610 with lightweight oil for maximum oil flow and bearing cooling.
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epd345
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posted July 29, 2009 09:14 AM
Napa Gold 1358
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JDC
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posted July 29, 2009 12:05 PM
Hi-Flo Filtro HF 303
Mobil 1 M1-108 and M1-110
K & N KN 303 Motorcycle filter
automotive K&N is a hp -1008
Fram Ph6017 A
Purolator L14612
Ac Delco PF1237
WIX 51365
Purolator PL14610 : the 14610 and 14612 both work one is a little shorter.
(Good info on shorter filters since the turbo exhaust is right up tight against the filter, with just enough and a tad to remove say the HI-Flo and OEM.)
Hastings LF-113 short and LF- 240f is the longer version. The 113 works good for the m14 and m14 sidewinder for clearance, and the longer filter works good when you need a little extra oil[LSR or street racing]
Napa Gold 1358
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posted July 29, 2009 12:33 PM
Amsoil EAO 103
Synthetic filter media. I would not use for racing. Regular riding it's the best with no degradation.
I would like to use the WIX. Thanks for the part#
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posted July 29, 2009 04:28 PM
Edited By: rtbain on 30 Jul 2009 00:42
I have been cutting oil filters open to see what they look like for more years than I can remember. I look for metal bits but have also be able to have a look at construction.
I haven’t had the chance to cut open a Fram for a ZX14 but every other Fram I have opened revealed, well a piece of junk. Glued together, smallish filter are compared to stock, little if any drain protection and a bypass that appeared cheesy.
Just about every OEM filter I have opened has been well made. Some aftermarket brands such as Mobile 1 and K&N come to mind.
Is anyone else this anal about their filters?
i am all for saving money, but not at the cost of an engine rebuild. Remember just because they will screw on doesn't mean they are compatible.
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JDC
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posted July 29, 2009 04:53 PM
ft,
good info!
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posted November 04, 2009 07:44 PM
quote:
I have been cutting oil filters open to see what they look like for more years than I can remember. I look for metal bits but have also be able to have a look at construction.
I haven’t had the chance to cut open a Fram for a ZX14 but every other Fram I have opened revealed, well a piece of junk. Glued together, smallish filter are compared to stock, little if any drain protection and a bypass that appeared cheesy.
Just about every OEM filter I have opened has been well made. Some aftermarket brands such as Mobile 1 and K&N come to mind.
Is anyone else this anal about their filters?
i am all for saving money, but not at the cost of an engine rebuild. Remember just because they will screw on doesn't mean they are compatible.
I'm with you on the Fram filters. Pure junk!
I personally like OEM filters or the NAPA golds (which I think are Wix). I run the NAPA filters in everything that I own, truck with 317,000 miles, cars, BMW R1100RS with over 130,000 miles and even my garder tractor.
I'm gona start using them in my 14 as the 2 dealerships nearest to me have closed. 
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posted November 04, 2009 08:30 PM
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extended length Purolator PL14610 with lightweight oil for maximum oil flow and bearing cooling.
+1 that's the same filter I run. Keeps the oil clean!
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posted November 04, 2009 08:33 PM
quote:
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I have been cutting oil filters open to see what they look like for more years than I can remember. I look for metal bits but have also be able to have a look at construction.
I haven’t had the chance to cut open a Fram for a ZX14 but every other Fram I have opened revealed, well a piece of junk. Glued together, smallish filter are compared to stock, little if any drain protection and a bypass that appeared cheesy.
Just about every OEM filter I have opened has been well made. Some aftermarket brands such as Mobile 1 and K&N come to mind.
Is anyone else this anal about their filters?
i am all for saving money, but not at the cost of an engine rebuild. Remember just because they will screw on doesn't mean they are compatible.
I'm with you on the Fram filters. Pure junk!
I personally like OEM filters or the NAPA golds (which I think are Wix). I run the NAPA filters in everything that I own, truck with 317,000 miles, cars, BMW R1100RS with over 130,000 miles and even my garder tractor.
I'm gona start using them in my 14 as the 2 dealerships nearest to me have closed.
Fram filters have had to many problems. I have had my share of nightmares with them.
Fram filters 
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posted November 04, 2009 08:45 PM
I just found some interesting data regarding the different oil filters that you guys have mentioned.
First, if you go to this site and type in the manufacturer's number, it will give you the NAPA (which is made by Wix) number.
http://www.napafilters.com/filterlookup/
Then go to this site and enter the NAPA number.
http://catalog2.genpt.com/catviewer15/(0jxo2z55srytler2qymi4545)/Catalog/Results.aspx?ShowPics=1&N=599007+102001+4294945434&Ne=1000000
It gives you all of the dimensions and most interestingly, the flow rate in GPM. The PS (Powersports) series flow 2 to 3 gpm more, which is about 25%.
For example the NAPA 1356, which is the equivalant to the Purolator PL14610 flows 7-9 gpm but if you type in "PS" before any of the NAPA numbers, you come up with the powersports series which in the case of the PS1356 flows 9-11gpm.
I'm sure that the difference is in the filtering media, where the lower flow numbers probably mean that the media is "finer", but in my case where my bike sees mostly the 1/4 mile and LSR events, I suspect that the higher flow ratings would be more to my advantage.
I have also asked myself, what good is a super duper altra fine filter media if it restricts flow and therefore, bypasses some, or most, of the oil. I destroyed a V8 when a cam lobe failed and because the oil filter had an internal bypass, the filter did practically nothing. It was ugly.
Food for thought,
Tom
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