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Zone Head
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posted March 06, 2009 09:18 AM        
Chain myths and care.

There is a Lot of myths and questions about all the chain types and care. So what does everyone use to keep there chains looking new? What are you using to clean them and lube them? How long are they lasting you?
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BobC


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posted March 06, 2009 09:42 AM        
Ok, this is my chain cleaning regime.

I clean all the old lubricant and dirt off the chain with paraffin (kerosene), dry it thoroughly with clean rag and then use a good quality chain lube. Not cleaning it before lubing just allows a build up of abrasive grit (grinding paste) which causes premature wear.

It goes without saying that correct adjustment is important but the other thing I do when I adjust it is slacken it right off and check for any tight links or uneven stretching.
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Zone Head
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posted March 06, 2009 10:10 AM        
About the Same here, I have never checked for tight links links that way, I turn the rear wheel and listen to the counter sprocket kinda click as the teeth mesh with the chain to make sure it sounds uniform. And instead of spraying the chain with the wax or lube I soak a rag with it and then rub it on a warm chain so I dont end up with overspray all over.
Bel ray super white stays on no matter what. But its kinda ugly stuff.. Maxxima chain lube clings on well and has a nice gold tint to it.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.

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BIG BLUE_ZX14


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posted March 06, 2009 10:25 AM        
I found this to be worth reading and there is a wd-40 link to another wd-40 link that is worth reading as well.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/
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Zone Head
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posted March 06, 2009 11:04 AM        
I have used wd-40 for years on my track bikes to keep the chian fling down, And I did not see any premature wear over 10's of thousands of miles.. But it did need to be cleaned and reapplied very often. I have read that the wd puffs up the o rings, but I never seen a problem like that on mine.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.

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Sticks_n_Stones


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posted March 06, 2009 12:19 PM        Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 6 Mar 2009 20:21
Watch the chains on these two bikes: Ninja of Dooms bike has a freshly lubed and clean chain, though its a bit looser - he had about 3" of up/down slack when I checked it. My bike (red 14) had over 1000 miles on the chain since last lube/clean and was really dirty - but I had adjusted it and had only 2" of up/down slack when checked by hand.

{Skip to :45 for best look at chain under full throttle/rpm.}


{skip to 3:15 and watch my dirty chain climbing up nearly to the swingarm as it straightens out coming off the front sprocket. That, my friends, is horsepower robbing friction. I wouldnt be suprised if that dirty chain cost me 2-3 hp. Still won the competition though...


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Old Guy


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posted March 06, 2009 12:52 PM        
Looks like dooms chain has a nice kink in it.
Mine too and my chain lubing procedure is simular to Bobs.
The rest of chain and sprockets are great after 18,000 miles.
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BobC


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posted March 06, 2009 02:22 PM        
quote:

{skip to 3:15 and watch my dirty chain climbing up nearly to the swingarm as it straightens out coming off the front sprocket.


That's probably a tight spot rather than stretch, not neccessarily a safety issue but it's got to sap some power at high speed. When I'm doing top speed runs I lubricate the chain every couple of runs and it does make a difference.
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zxbob


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posted March 06, 2009 04:37 PM        
quote:
I have used wd-40 for years on my track bikes to keep the chian fling down, And I did not see any premature wear over 10's of thousands of miles.. But it did need to be cleaned and reapplied very often. I have read that the wd puffs up the o rings, but I never seen a problem like that on mine.


+ 1

I go every other ride with a WD40 cleaning and lube. I get excellent chain
life and it allways looks clean.

Bob
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NinjaNick


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posted March 06, 2009 05:20 PM        Edited By: NinjaNick on 7 Mar 2009 01:21
171 w/muzzy?

I got 170rwhp with only 200miles on my '08 completely stock. Hmmm.

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Zone Head
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posted March 06, 2009 06:02 PM        
Where in houston can i take mine to see what it makes?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.

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posted March 06, 2009 06:47 PM        
quote:
171 w/muzzy?

I got 170rwhp with only 200miles on my '08 completely stock. Hmmm.


All dynos are different. I've seen my buddy wayne's 1000 put down 184, 197, and 205 on 3 different dynos.
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NinjaNick


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posted March 06, 2009 06:55 PM        
So you're saying that a dyno is a scam? If they're not accurate what is the point in measuring power when it's ALWAYS going to be wrong? I can see the use to MAP, but for a power reading....they shouldn't be allowed to do since it's a false claim.
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BobC


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posted March 07, 2009 02:28 AM        
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So you're saying that a dyno is a scam? If they're not accurate what is the point in measuring power when it's ALWAYS going to be wrong? I can see the use to MAP, but for a power reading....they shouldn't be allowed to do since it's a false claim.


A dyno is not a scam, it's a measuring device and analytical tool. It will tell you the gain you get with any modifications if you do a run "before and after" and it will allow you to create a custom map, measure A/F ratio, print power and torque curves etc.

Everyone knows that the power figure has always been "that dyno on that day" and nothing else.
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2012 ZZR1400 in Golden Blazed Green
Brock CT Full System. etc
Max: 203.1 in 1 mile (so far)

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ninja12


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posted March 07, 2009 06:00 AM        
A dyno is a measurement tool , like using your feet to measure a room.
If you pace off 12 feet in one room and 13' in another, you can safely say the 13' is longer, as long as you wore the same shoes to measure both rooms.
Your 13' room COULD be smaller than my 12' room if i wore bigger shoes,
but MY 13' will always be longer than MY 12'.
A happy dyno is like a women with little hands, everything looks bigger, but it still works the same.




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NinjaNick


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posted March 07, 2009 06:23 AM        
Good way of putting it. But damn, I would love a TRUE ACCURATE rwhp and torque reading.
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Bently


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posted March 07, 2009 06:55 AM        
My 08 Busa made 187 on one dyno and 201 on another. the 187 would be most accurate.
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