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posted February 15, 2009 09:18 AM
Stan,
I haven't even got them yet.
Got lots of info from Josh, great guy but extremely busy.
They are hand made, and I think supply might be an issue.
One aspect of these batteries is they get lazy and cannot deliver full starting amp is the battery / ambient temperature drops below 32'f, or 0'C.
In any event I am extremely excited about dropping 8 lbs and having additional space for the water injection resevoir, and crankcase breather catch can.
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posted February 15, 2009 09:27 AM
I'd definitely like to have one if they start becoming available in numbers. But I wouldn't run one without a backup plan.
The Odyssey cuts 5 lbs., which isn't too bad. We'll see how it holds up at the track.
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posted February 15, 2009 06:35 PM
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I'd definitely like to have one if they start becoming available in numbers. But I wouldn't run one without a backup plan.
The Odyssey cuts 5 lbs., which isn't too bad. We'll see how it holds up at the track.
Shane
Shane, should I give the Odyssey a try for street riding?
5 lbs. is some good weight savings for a cheap battery IMO.
Or have it as a back up for when I get a Speedcell?
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posted February 18, 2009 11:36 PM
 Edited By: dubious on 19 Feb 2009 07:44
Well, it was a bad day today.
No good news, and was quite frustrated to be honest.
1 st day back from work and nuthin was going right.
The back cut trans on my turbo busa project came in with 2nd gear output beat up, the bac cut gears were not deburred.
My machinist didn't fix his mistakes over the past week, never mind make any progress.
The total seal rings I ordered for the zx14 will be another week.
So I have 2 motors that will not be back together for another week at least...
Then the post office didn't have nough money on hand for the 3rd time to cash $1200 in postal money orders for old stuff I had sold 3 months ago, and 1 of the customers for brackets sent me a money order which can only be cashed in the USof A.
hey ... I AM CANADIAN... and thats exactly what I chose for beverage all night to cool off.
Anyway, I swaggered out to the garage to drink MORE beer, and weigh some parts and take pics for Shane.
I decided to do a little more than he asked.
My scale is not the most accurate... only to within a 1/2 lb... I think I'll be buying something like Shanes this week.
1st I will post (stock or existing) parts
stock subframe with the passenger pegs and all the non drag specific parts, excluding the plastic , taillights and the undertail as pictured with all hardware:
13.5 lbs
Tiger undertail: 2.5 lbs
Each cast side piece bare, no braces, modified as pictured: 2.5 lbs each
Clip ons - 3.0 lbs
top clamp with ignition- 3.5 lbs
tool kit complete -2.5 lbs
Mirrors 1.0 lbs each
Frt inner fairing junk and frt signal lights as pictured- 3.5 lbs
Ram air tubes as pictured... unbelievably but true... - 2.5 lbs
and food for thought the stock fuel tank bone dry with stock cap, less the pump
18.5 lbs............... WOW
I wish I would have weighed the entire stock tail section, and side fairings before tearing it apart anselling it all off.
Anyone have the ability and parts available off their bike to do this?
Can anyone tell me what the stock seat with all the hardware and cowl weighs?
I am pretty sure I remember it being something obsurd like 14 lbs...but not certain.
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posted February 19, 2009 12:05 AM
Edited By: dubious on 19 Feb 2009 08:39
So, now for the weight of the new parts:
again, my scale reads in 1/2 lbs so....
In any event I am not concerned with ounces... but lbs
New top clamp and clip ons... no ignition, not using one I have something else to replace it and will elude later...
New top clamp and clip ons: 3.5 lbs total:
Damper +1 lb, but necessary for what I intend to do with the bike.
I weighed the forks long ago and can't remeber the weights, except -4.5 lbs lighter sticks in my head:
Vortex rearsets also weighed a few years ago and -1 lb as memory recalls
+8" mac arm... the thing is stiffer than the frame i am sure... one of those things that is a necessity, but I don't like the fact it weighs around 20 lbs...
I am seriously considering fabbing my own main spars for the subframe instead of the modified ones I have.
This GSXR road racing subframe weighs a paltry 2.5 lbs! compared to 5lbs for my modified ones
The R6 subframe tail piece I am using weighs 2.0 lbs
picture with held .... they can copy it after I am done...
The custom solo R6 / zx14 hybrid seat I made weighs 3.0 lbs
Also to be noted, I weighed the R6 plastic and tail light and they came in at 2.5 lbs total
So there you have it....
the subframe, forks, tripple clamps, seat , clip ons, and unessary junk has pared the bike down substantially...
The swingarm, and steering damper has hurt a little but only a fool would try to ride 400+ HP without them.
I will weigh the entire finnished tail section likely tomorrow, unless I get spanked by the UN-lucky lepricons again.
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posted February 19, 2009 01:04 AM
So,
essentially net weight I have removed :
speed cell battery- 9 lbs
frt wheel- 2.5 lbs
rear wheel- 4 lbs
rotors - 1.5 lbs
forks -4.5 lbs
rearsets -1 lb
seat + cowl -13 lbs (estimated) need confirmation on stock weight...
subframe -8 lbs (estimated should be closer to 13 including plastics, and all hardware seat lock etc)
engine noise damping devices - 3 lbs
inner fairings, frt signals, brackets - 3.5 lbs
ram air tubes - 2.5 lbs
mirrors -2 lbs
stock exhaust including header - 32 lbs
top clamp and clip ons -2.5 lbs
-86.5 lbs ! WOW
Now for the bad news...
things need to be allot stronger to make, or to handle over 2x's the HP
rear axle +1 lb
swingarm +10.5 lbs
damper +1 lb
and I weighed the entire turbo kit, guages included in the box shipped +34.5 lbs.
sb6 +2.0 lbs
ams1000 + 2.5 lbs
bazzaz + .5 lb
+51 lbs
for net of -86.5 + 51 =
- 35.5 lbs net...
Just think, without the turbo, and arm its getting into literbike territory ! 
If I can get a good scale, I will weigh some motor parts soon.
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posted February 19, 2009 02:28 AM
wow...... 86.5lbs of weight reduction is CRAZY! Didn't think that was possible. Great writeup.
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posted February 19, 2009 03:24 AM
Hey lyle ~
If your having problems cashing that money order ...... send it
to me and i'll cash it for ya.
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posted February 19, 2009 03:27 AM
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posted February 19, 2009 05:23 AM
Man, that Canadian beer must be some awesome stuff!
Excellent job!
Perhaps I will compile an updated weight savings list today..
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posted February 19, 2009 07:19 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Feb 2009 15:20
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Can anyone tell me what the stock seat with all the hardware and cowl weighs?
7 lbs. 10 oz. on stock seat with cowl, by my measurements.
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posted February 19, 2009 08:50 AM
Ok cool thanks!
and yes our beer is much better than American beer!
6-9 % alcohol depending how strong you like your horse piss! LOL
I got into the Crown Royal... thats what gave me the gusto... LOL
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posted February 19, 2009 09:15 AM
Couldn't slepp very well, bamn BlackFairy alarm clock went off at 5:00 am this morning.
Anyone else have issues with their Blackberry settings changing on their own?
No it wasn't the beer or the wiskey either... LOL
Anyway I have more stuff to add but I have to keep it short and sweet, got more running around town to do today for the bike.
BigCC vs stock velocity stax.
Clearly they are meant to assist the turbo to shove more air in to the engine, not for optimum power in a naturally aspirated engine.
The BigCC extend only 5mm into the airbox wheras the stockers are approx 25mm tall.
The BigCC are also 1mm larger inside diameter at the narrowest point.
Oh, and they weigh 1/2 pound more.
Got some more goodies that I never posted before, had his stuff for over a year:
And some newer ones that just showed up....
a replacement part for the mirrors, and another for the ignition switch:
I can also use the camera to record runs at the strip, watching the tach and shift points
The Scorpio Alarm is a 2 way pager, with motion sensor, and vacinity warn away can also be enabled, kind a funky for me but I don't think any dork will be found sitting on the bike, and migt save me legal issues too ...LOL
It can can be programmed to enable a keyless start and operation when the remote is in the vacinity of the bike.
I will also be wiring a hidden switch just in case, not like I leave it parked anywher out of sight but anyway...
I have more stuff to share but it will have to wait for now... gotta go!
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posted February 19, 2009 09:21 AM
Those stacks are awesome. I am going to pick up a set. They may help top end power on a naturally aspirated bike; the only way to know is to track test them.
We have some of the DSR-100 cameras, they are pretty nice. 
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posted February 19, 2009 03:54 PM
Edited By: dubious on 19 Feb 2009 23:56
got some more parts in today
I wish I could weigh them, but I don't have a scale accurate enough...
won't matter anyway, were talking a couple ounces difference at most.
Here is a direct comparison between Pazzo, CRG and ASV short levers!
The CRG are for a friends CBR600R, while the ASV and Pazzo are zx14 pieces.
Here's the differences I see:
ASV:
nice workmanship
heavy
best construction
most expensive.
They are folding levers designed to fold away instead of breaking, sturdiest design ( motocross heritage)
Have steel bushed pivot.
very fine(slow) adjuster
PITA multi application fit. (comes with adapters)
CRG:
Sturdy design
good construction
bare aluminum pivot
longest of the shorty levers
seem heaviest
application specific
Pazzo:
Best price point
Sturdy construction
bare aluminum pivot
seem lightest
beautiful machining and workmanship
application specific
And the winner is....
IMO
Pazzo
Look at these things! They are trick and very beautiful, best price point, and super fast, great service!
Oh, and they are Canadian made!
The US exchange rate won't kill Canadian customers!
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posted February 19, 2009 04:15 PM
I was thinking about some Pazzo's or ASV; I suspected the ASV's may be heavier..
Hey re:Clip Ons...that was 3.5 lbs. total for both?
I was hoping to save some weight there, but it doesn't look likely. The end weight are 1 lb. 2 oz. themselves. That means that the clip ons are only a little over a pound apiece?
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posted February 19, 2009 04:20 PM
Edited By: dubious on 20 Feb 2009 00:23
I guess I was off quite a bit on the stock seat weight....
Found a few more pounds
1 lb
Exhaust hanger bushings, and Air injection parts I found from when I removed them back in June 2006..1.5 lbs
Well I have some more work to get the seat where I want it to be asthetically.
Here is a few pics of the all black R6 tail section and the unfinnished seat installed loosley
( not bolted - reason they look a little mis fitted)
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posted February 19, 2009 04:48 PM
That Mac arm is pretty sweet, regardless of weight. These pics look really good, Lyle.
Sometimes taking pictures lets you see the bike in a different way, or spot problems.
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posted February 19, 2009 05:25 PM
great pics. you really knocked the weight off that thing! dont worry about the weight of the turbo, you will want ballast!!
yeah Shane come up to Loring this summer and ill bring some of that extra wild horse piss Lyle was talking about
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posted February 19, 2009 05:35 PM
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That Mac arm is pretty sweet, regardless of weight. These pics look really good, Lyle.
Sometimes taking pictures lets you see the bike in a different way, or spot problems.
Shane
I'm getting worried about looking at Lyle's threads...
They called me from AmEx asking about the dent I've put in my card
I guess I will end up with a new tailsection with all this tease.
I think I might have a winner with the 09 zx6r, but will see.
I put the Pazzos short brake/ long clutch combo on my bike at the end of last summer
and really like them. Fit and finish are great and they just feel right when applied
I have the red levers with the black adjusters and they are sweet!
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posted February 19, 2009 07:15 PM
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That Mac arm is pretty sweet, regardless of weight. These pics look really good, Lyle.
Sometimes taking pictures lets you see the bike in a different way, or spot problems.
Shane
yup, like the big fat ass squre chunk of seat from the rear view.. LOL
they never cut it down the way I wanted, and got the corners all wrong...
I have spent the last hour or so taking the cover off and carving it up....
I HATE it when they don't listen to the customer...idiots....
If yournot sure then call the customer .... damn .
Think I will take the Busa seat to them now.... NOT.
Anyway, once I get the seat straightened out I have some cosmetic work to do to the subframe, gonna try the clip ons under the top clamp.
When I get all of that straight, then off to the powder coaters...monday...
Thanks for the compliments guys.
I think the tail is not PROPORTIONED AS i WOULD LIKE BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS .... and its gonna get ridden that way thisd year at least.
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posted February 19, 2009 11:08 PM
Lyle, I'll be giving you a call tomorrow regarding the links. Is there a best time for you? I need to call before 12:30 pm my time (pacific standard). Thanks,
Jorgen
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posted February 19, 2009 11:22 PM
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I was thinking about some Pazzo's or ASV; I suspected the ASV's may be heavier..
Hey re:Clip Ons...that was 3.5 lbs. total for both?
I was hoping to save some weight there, but it doesn't look likely. The end weight are 1 lb. 2 oz. themselves. That means that the clip ons are only a little over a pound apiece?
Shane
I got 3 lbs for both clip ons including the bar ends
but I don't have an uber accurate scale like yours yet...
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posted February 19, 2009 11:24 PM
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Lyle, I'll be giving you a call tomorrow regarding the links. Is there a best time for you? I need to call before 12:30 pm my time (pacific standard). Thanks,
Jorgen
i wish the pm system was working....
Call me anytime after 9:00 am pacific please
my email is.... eldubois@telus.net
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posted February 19, 2009 11:31 PM
Just finnished the detail on tail section plastic, and fixed the mess they made of the seat.
They did not cut down the front as I asked, and compensated by adding way too much in the back to give me the hump I wanted.
Fits much much better now.
Feels like I am part of the bike instead of sitting waaay up there.
Next will be fitting the remainder of the main subframe spars where the stock helmet hanger was, and making my custom hinged undertail behind the fuel tank, where the fuel pump and water injection will be going.
If I have time I will weld up the airbox holes, and some other details.
Making custom parts is really time consuming. To get it all to fit together right it sometimes takes 4-5 x's to refit and modify.
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