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posted January 30, 2009 08:55 PM
There are a couple of reasons that I picked up so much mph. Reason 1. With stock gearing I was having to shift to 3rd gear about 20-30 yds before the finish line which was killing my mph. Reason 2. My bike was way harder to get off of the line with the 17t front because I had to launch it much harder to get a decent 60ft and keep from bogging with the uber high DA.
I would say that the extra 20 lbs probably hurts your friend's MPH compared to the little guy.
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posted January 30, 2009 09:33 PM
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Smart ass ?? Telling you what i know is being a smart ass ? Come on you know me way better than that ..
just reading it seem like you was ...my bad.. i'm just asking a question here .. i got some friends that was putting this across the brain last week... Super Sport class we know this 1 person that runs that class 125lb rider.. ok 60@1.65 ..et 9.10's- 9.20's @160+mph at 600ft elev.. .. this on a 18 tooth front .. stock length stock parts you know the rules 1k gsxr..
now ive got freinds that run moded bikes and can't put that mph down with same or quicker 60fts ...BEST 1 is running 3mil kit 61 inches 1.50's 60's @ 9.10's @157mph 145lb rider same kind bike ..16 tooth front...
now how is that being done on a basic stock bike which is what that super sport bike is
rags have that bike running 9.70's ..
Super sport is something i know a little about ...First off their far from a stocker ... Milled head ( as high as 15.1) , deg cams,Trick valve job, blue printed motor ,2 inch ground clearance, Cermaic trans bearings and wheel bearings, non oring chains , weight trimmed with in the rules ..And a few other tricks that can be told .. Lets not forget light weight riders that happen to be the best around ... It is said they make mid 195+ hp ... You can't compair your buddies bike to a super sport bike or a stocker ..
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posted January 30, 2009 09:44 PM
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http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=4193&z=18
reference to class i'm talking about ..if i got anything wrong ..two 08 zx14's running that race and both lost 1st round
and an 08 busa too. lost 1st round
I know one of the zx14 guys that runs that class ..The zx14 has to weight 680 pounds and has to use 3 in ground clearance ...Look on his bike and you will see 30 pounds added to the low part of the shock .... No way at 3 inchs and 680+ pounds the can't run a 1000s MPH ... He does get close in ET 9.03 i think is his best so far but with the extra weight he can run 160 MPH ..I think his is around 156 MPH .. The reason he can get so close to the 1000s ET is his 60 footer are faster than the short wheel base 1000s ... But with their MPH they can run him down ... This years rules will let the zx14 and Busa have 2 inch ground clearance .. That will help the MPH and 60 foot times ....
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posted January 30, 2009 09:53 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 31 Jan 2009 05:55
Super sport weighs
Model Year
Minimum Weight (lbs.)
Suzuki Hayabusa 1999-2007
670
Suzuki Hayabusa 2008-2009
680
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2005-2006
540
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2007-2009
550
Kawasaki ZX-14 2008-2009
680
Kawasaki ZX-14 2006-2007
670
Kawasaki ZX-10R 2008-2009
550
Kawasaki ZX-10R 2006-2007
540
Yamaha YZF-R1 2007-2009
550
Yamaha YZF-R1 2006
540
Honda CBR 1000RR 2008-2009
550
Honda CBR 1000RR 2007
540
The zx14 that runs that class is an 08 with flys in place ...Rules state they can't remove the flys .. The zx14 has to be 130 pounds heavier than the Gixxer ... Think about that ...
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posted January 31, 2009 04:51 AM
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Super sport is something i know a little about ...First off their far from a stocker ... Milled head ( as high as 15.1) , deg cams,Trick valve job, blue printed motor ,2 inch ground clearance, Cermaic trans bearings and wheel bearings, non oring chains , weight trimmed with in the rules ..And a few other tricks that can be told .. Lets not forget light weight riders that happen to be the best around ... It is said they make mid 195+ hp ... You can't compair your buddies bike to a super sport bike or a stocker ..
rules state you can only use OEM parts..
4.3.3.1.4 *ENGINE
Except as noted, all internal and external engine parts must remain stock OEM with no modifications, metal removal, or blueprinting.
Pistons, rings, piston pins and cir-clips may be replaced only with standard bore, stock OEM production items. There is no allowance for overbore.
Cam sprockets may be slotted solely for the purpose of altering cam timing.
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posted January 31, 2009 04:53 AM
4.3.3 SUPERSPORT CLASS REQUIREMENTS
DESIGNATION: SS, followed by rider number.
In keeping with the AMA tradition, SuperSport, as the premier heads up category meeting the demands of a growing new generation of racers. For 2008 big bore production motorcycles have been homologized into this class. Reserved for 1999 or later 1000cc and larger OEM production motorcycles with limited modifications. SuperSport is run as a “heads up” no break-out eliminator with a qualified field up to 32 motorcycles on a (.400) Pro tree.
Approval of SuperSport Motorcycles:
SuperSport motorcycles are 4-stroke production machines submitted for homologation by the manufacturers and sold for street use. Approval must be submitted through the AMA. Approved list (See 4.3.3.9.5)
4.3.3.1 ENGINE
4.3.3.1.1 CARBURETOR
Carburetor models are prohibited.
4.3.3.1.2 FUEL INJECTION
Fuel Injection: Aftermarket fuel injection management systems that allow fuel or ignition timing adjustments must plug in-line with the OEM unmodified wiring harness. All units must be AMA Dragbike approved and available for immediate shipment from U.S. warehouses to any of the manufacturer’s U.S. retail outlets for sale to the public. Availability must be maintained throughout the current racing season. Combined price of fuel injection and ignition control must not exceed $1000.00. Quick shifters that cut ignition and/or fuel are prohibited.
4.3.3.1.3 INTAKE
The OEM airbox must be utilized, only commercially manufactured air filters permitted. External airbox supply ducts must be stock or original duplicate or may be removed. Exhaust emission control valves and hoses may be removed and all airbox drains must be plugged. No routing of exhaust emission system to crank cases allowed. Air filter use is mandatory.
4.3.3.1.4 *ENGINE
Except as noted, all internal and external engine parts must remain stock OEM with no modifications, metal removal, or blueprinting.
Pistons, rings, piston pins and cir-clips may be replaced only with standard bore, stock OEM production items. There is no allowance for overbore.
Cam sprockets may be slotted solely for the purpose of altering cam timing.
Valve seat inserts may be reworked or replaced with OEM or aftermarket seats of original dimensions. Any dimensional thickness of the stock inserts may not be increased. Aluminum casting of cylinder head must remain absolutely stock with no metal removal.
Valves must remain as produced with no modifications. Valve springs may be shimmed with standard or aftermarket shims.
Cylinder head combustion chambers may be cleaned by bead blasting with valves seated in place. Intake and exhaust ports may not be bead blasted.
All gaskets may be replaced with duplicate aftermarket parts.
Light cleaning of gasket surfaces with steel wool, Scotch-Brite®, etc. is allowed. Machining of gasket surfaces of cylinder head, cylinders or engine cases, for increased compression only, will be permitted.
Transmission gears may be shimmed only for the purpose of proper engagement. Standard or aftermarket shims may be utilized.
Shifter return or detent springs may be replaced with aftermarket springs.
Oil pressure sending units may be replaced with a hex head pipe plug.
Modifications to the stock starting and charging systems are not permitted. Starters and complete charging system must be in place, connected and functional before, during and after an event.
Internal engine coatings permitted are limited to: cryogenics, friction reduction and thermal barrier treatments.
Aftermarket transmission bearings permitted.
Velocity stacks can be rearranged utilizing stock OEM stacks of same model.
Timing chain tensioner maybe replaced with duplicate aftermarket parts.
4.3.3.2 DRIVETRAIN
4.3.1.2.1 CLUTCH
Clutch plates and springs may be replaced with aftermarket parts. Aftermarket quick access clutch cover permissible. Modification or replacement of the OEM back torque limiting slipper clutch components only permissible. Trimming of fairing for cover access is permissible.
4.3.3.3 BRAKES & SUSPENSION
4.3.3.3.1 BRAKES
Brake pads and brake lines may be replaced with DOT approved components. Brake disc may not be drilled. (See Brakes, 2.3.1) Lighter than stock weight aftermarket replacement front brake rotors permissible.
4.3.3.3.2 FRONT SUSPENSION
The use of lowering straps is permitted, but once in place the excess strap must be secured to prevent any adjustment as to be determined by the Tech Director. Standard production internal parts of forks may be modified to alter damping qualities. All entrants must maintain a minimum of 1” travel, see Front Suspension (2.3.2) for additional rules concerning fork exposure, front travel and spring requirements. Aftermarket damper kits or valves may be installed. Fork springs may be replaced with optional or aftermarket springs, as long as they maintain sufficient preload (see 2.3.2). Fork caps may be modified or replaced to allow external adjustment of fork springs only. A fork brace may be added or replaced with an aftermarket brace. A steering damper is required. Steering dampers may be added or replaced with an aftermarket damper
4.3.3.3.3 REAR SUSPENSION
Rear suspension must have a minimum of 1-inch travel. Rear suspension changes allow the use of an aftermarket dog bone with stock relay arm.
4.3.3.4 FRAME
4.3.3.4.1 FRAME
Stock frames required with no modifications. Stock wheelbase. Frame must display vehicle identification number. Frames may be polished. Steering head angle may not be altered. Wheelie bars are prohibited.
4.3.3.4.2 GROUND CLEARANCE
1000cc: Minimum 2-inches with rider sitting on bike, straight up perpendicular to ground with 8 psi in rear tire.
Big Bore: Minimum 3-inches with rider sitting on bike, straight up perpendicular to ground with 8 psi in rear tire.
4.3.3.4.3 SWINGARM
Must retain stock swingarm with no modifications.
4.3.3.5 *TIRES & WHEELS
4.3.3.5.1 TIRES
Tires permitted for SuperSport competition must meet the following criteria:
Applicable DOT standards for motorcycle street use.
Properly marked with molded-in DOT number and construction/compound identification.
Available for immediate shipment from U.S. warehouse to any of the manufacturer’s U.S. retail outlets for sale to the public. Availability must be maintained throughout the current racing season.
Any modifications to accepted tires are prohibited. Tire sizes cannot be increased from original equipment. (See Tires 2.5.1)
Front tire height must match OEM.
4.3.3.5.2 WHEELS
Stock wheels only, polishing is permitted. Wheel bearing and seal modifications are permissible.
4.3.3.6 FUEL
4.3.3.6.1 FUEL
This class uses a spec fuel of gasoline only, no nitro, no alcohol. The spec fuel brand and type will be identified by AMA Dragbike prior to the start of the season. AMA Dragbike reserves the right to change the specified fuel during the season. Dielectric Constant, as per AMA Dragbike DC meter, may be no greater than + or - 0.4 points of spec fuel standard. The use of propylene oxide is prohibited. All bikes must have a method to provide a fuel sample from the fuel line system. Sample must be able to be taken from line between carburetor and fuel pump or petcock. In fuel injected systems, the sample may be drawn from the fuel return line between the injectors and the tank, on the low pressure side of the circuit. At the tech inspector’s discretion, fuel samples may be taken from any location. All riders are to remain on their motorcycles at all times in a single file line until clearing weight and fuel inspection. Allow enough fuel for a two-mile ride prior to a qualifying or elimination run. (See Fuel, 2.6.)
4.3.3.6.2 FUEL SYSTEMS
Artificial cooling or heating systems (i.e., cool cans, ice, freon, whipits, etc.) prohibited. Circulating systems, not part of normal fuel pump system are prohibited. Dual cable positive return throttle mandatory. Fuel lines that do not terminate with an AN-type connector or factory equivalent must be fastened with a metal clamp, band or fitting (no wire). Be careful not to over tighten.
4.3.3.7 BODY
4.3.3.7.1 BODY
Fairing and bodywork (not including fuel tank) may be replaced with cosmetic duplicates of the original parts. Updating of bodywork permissible only on same models. Factory seat base must be utilized in stock location with upholstery cover.
Size and dimensions must be the same as the original parts.
Construction must be of plastic or fiberglass (no carbon or carbon composite fiber).
Original combination instrument/fairing brackets may be replaced with aftermarket brackets of the same basic material. All other fairing brackets must be original stock parts.
Should the stock fairing include air-ducting tubes, those tubes may be removed. However, if used, the tubes must be original stock parts.
Aftermarket windscreens permissible.
4.3.3.8 ELECTRICAL/CONTROL
4.3.3.8.1 ELECTRICAL
The use of the following electrical aftermarket items is prohibited: computers, electric shifters, stutters, two-steps, datalogger and O2 sensor. Factory-original, OEM shift lights are permitted. Shift lights may not be aftermarket products, or retro-fitted.
4.3.3.8.2 IGNITION
49-State model engine and ignition components may replace those same components on California-only motorcycles of the same manufacturer, year and model. The complete ignition/engine control system can be modified as follows:
Ignition timing may be altered by slotting ignition trigger mounting plate or replacing stock ignition rotor with an aftermarket rotor.
Ignition control modules may be replaced with accepted generally available commercial aftermarket parts with a sale price of less than $500. Replacements must be available for immediate shipment from U.S. warehouses to any of the manufacturer’s U.S. retail outlets for sale to the public. Availability must be maintained throughout the current racing season.
Spark plugs and plug wires may be replaced with aftermarket parts
Timing retard eliminator permissible.
The use of rev extended factory ECU is permissible.
4.3.3.9 SUPPORT GROUP
4.3.3.9.1 MODIFICATIONS
Only the modifications listed in this section are permitted. No other changes from showroom stock will be permitted. Absolutely no updating or backdating of parts will be allowed unless specified by the rules.
4.3.3.9.2 The following Items may be removed:
Side marker lights, reflectors and mirrors (disconnection must be made at stock connectors, not by cutting). Wiring harness must remain otherwise intact. Stock headlight required.
Instruments, instrument brackets and associated cables.
License plate bracket.
Radiator fan and wiring. Disconnection must be made at stock connectors.
Passenger footrest, mounting brackets and grab rails.
Rear fender or rear section of rear fender may be removed if tail/seat bodywork covers the top of the rear wheel. Front fender may be spaced upward for tire clearance.
Center and/or side stands
NOTE: AMA Dragbike does not require the removal of any items. Safety wiring is not required except for drain plug.
4.3.3.9.3 The following items may be replaced by aftermarket parts, except as noted:
Handlebars, hand controls, foot controls (brake master cylinders must remain absolutely stock.)
Instruments, instrument brackets and switches.
Control cables.
Speedometer drive.
Oil, oil filter, lubricants and fluids.
Final drive sprockets and chains. Chain size may be changed.
Exhaust. 105 dB/A +/- 8. No sidewinders. Total weight of exhaust system, including any brackets or hangers, may not exceed the OEM exhaust system components being replaced.
Timing chain tensioner.
Rear shock.
Air filter (Intake, 4.3.3.1.3)
Coils
4.3.3.9.4 SOUND REQUIREMENTS
Must meet sound limits of 105 dB/A measured on the “A” scale at 0.5 meters (20 inches). Test procedure will be prescribed by the AMA, in accordance with SAE J1287 and performed at any time or location on the racetrack, burnout area or scales.
4.3.3.9.5 WEIGHT
Minimum weight at conclusion of run including rider:
Model Year Minimum Weight (lbs.)
Suzuki Hayabusa 1999-2007 670
Suzuki Hayabusa 2008 680
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2005-2006 540
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2007-2008 550
Kawasaki ZX-14 2008 680
Kawasaki ZX-14 2006-2007 670
Kawasaki ZX-10R 2008 550
Kawasaki ZX-10R 2006-2007 540
Yamaha YZF-R1 2007-2008 550
Yamaha YZF-R1 2006 540
Honda CBR1000RR 2008 550
Honda CBR1000RR 2007 540
Up to 30 lbs. of ballast is allowed to be bolted to any part of the frame, sub-frame, or swingarm, as long as the entire ballast assembly is behind the vertical plane passing through the center of the swingarm pivot bolt. The ballast weight limit includes all components of the ballast assembly, including any bolts, brackets, or other hardware used to mount the assembly. Tech may require removal and weighing of the ballast assembly at any time during the event. It is the responsibility of the race team to remove the ballast assembly for these inspections, so the ballast assembly should be engineered in a fashion that will allow easy removal. Ballast must be placed in a single location. No distributing ballast in multiple locations.
Weights may be adjusted race by race based on individual performances
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1badzx12r
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posted January 31, 2009 05:03 AM
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Super sport weighs
Model Year
Minimum Weight (lbs.)
Kawasaki ZX-14 2008-2009
680
Kawasaki ZX-14 2006-2007
670
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that proves right there must be a differance ...
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bigdtd
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posted February 01, 2009 09:25 AM
yes the 08 and 09 weigh more than the 06
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1badzx12r
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posted February 01, 2009 11:09 AM
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yes the 08 and 09 weigh more than the 06
I DON'T THINK thats it buddy ..unless its the beefed up frame that makes it 10lbs heavier ..10lbs is a 1/2 tenth from what i'm told ...
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Bawls
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posted February 01, 2009 11:45 AM
The weight difference from the 07 to 08 probably has more to do with the fact that they added another cat to help it meet euro 3 emissions than them changing how they cast the frame.
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bigdtd
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posted February 01, 2009 12:57 PM
the spec says it weighs more, hence the allowance, do the math
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SteveWFL
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posted February 01, 2009 01:00 PM
Yes many bikes gained a few pounds as a result of harsher fuel emissions requirements.
Al Gore and the tree huggers rule your life!
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1badzx12r
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posted February 01, 2009 02:14 PM
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Yes many bikes gained a few pounds as a result of harsher fuel emissions requirements.
Al Gore and the tree huggers rule your life!
yes....but that shit ain't on the bike at the dragstrip ... the 06 and 09 are the same weight after exhaust removal unless its a frame thing ...the only changes is frame molding process, injectors spray pattern, and 3rd cat ...so where do you guys find 10lbs difference after exhaust removal to a full system
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