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posted December 21, 2008 01:46 PM        Edited By: fish_antlers on 21 Dec 2008 20:51
airbox warning to ZX14 owners!...

dont know if this is old info or not...

was chatting with a friend who had the following experience...


the bodywork well nuts that mount into the sides of the airbox on his zx14went missing, they were replaced ...

now here's what happened. TUrns out previous owner had stripped the brass threads in the nissing wellnuts, brass etc inside airbox... when the wellnuts were replaced this sealed the airbox and sucked (you guessed it) brass shavings etc into the engine... toasted the engine...

so beware and check to make sure these wellnuts dont go missing - if they do, STOP and inspect your airbox!!!



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posted December 21, 2008 02:33 PM        
Well it is old News to some of us but still it's good info for all the new guys to keep an eye out ..Guys if you don't over tighten the well nuts you will NOT have this problem ...

Thanks Fishy ...
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posted December 21, 2008 02:35 PM        Edited By: Shane661 on 21 Dec 2008 21:40
There is enough metal, from a few threads in a wellnut, to destroy the motor ?
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posted December 21, 2008 03:15 PM        
Where the hell are these nuts, I removed the all the body work to do exhaust and powercommander. Could someone post a pic?
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posted December 21, 2008 03:40 PM        
One of mine stripped, removed the other, plugged the holes...done.
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posted December 21, 2008 04:41 PM        
I haven't messed with my airbox, guess now would be a good time to check it out. Sucks working on the road bc I read stuff like this on the internet on my phone and by the time I get home I'm so ready to ride I forget about it!
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posted December 21, 2008 04:54 PM        Edited By: 14black on 21 Dec 2008 23:55
Much more on this here: http://www.zx14ninja.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9502





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posted December 21, 2008 05:32 PM        
Thanks for the PICS
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posted December 21, 2008 05:54 PM        
watch out you strippers!
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posted December 21, 2008 06:35 PM        
It doesn't take much torque to tear a wellnut. I've done it, more than once. That has got to be the stupidest design flaws ever. If the brass nut tore and fell off down the throat of a throttle body, disaster.
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posted December 21, 2008 09:23 PM        
certain doom!! :EEK
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posted December 21, 2008 10:07 PM        
You don't have to tighten them that much , and if you're really ham fisted locktite them without torquing them down that much and be done with it.
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posted December 22, 2008 02:20 AM        
Thanks, nice tip Fish, I hadn't heard of it before but it makes perfect sense.

The bushes should have a blind thread so no swarf or thread material can get to the inside and be ingested by the engine.

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posted February 08, 2009 10:06 AM        
I have been cleaning out the airbox / frame to prepare it for welding and sealing it to contain 30 psi boost....
One of my welnuts was torn half way through as well.... good heads up Fish!
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posted February 08, 2009 10:29 AM        
I did a "rant" on these awhile ago. Not much you can do to change em.
Just check them over real good anytime you remove the plastics !

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posted February 08, 2009 10:37 AM        Edited By: Ninja14 on 8 Feb 2009 17:38


Hey....that's my old pic :-) .........when I repainted.

I was considering riveting in a nutplate....esp since I don't need sealing.
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posted February 08, 2009 11:11 AM        
I suppose you could use a thread insert and permanently install threads into those holes, replacing the wellnut altogether? Then use locktite or silicone or some other product to seal the threads?
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posted February 08, 2009 03:54 PM        
Ooooh and i've seen a 14 or two that had missing wellnuts . One guy said both sides tore and fell inside and he just needed to replace them... Might have to replace more than that if they get sucked in the motor :O
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posted February 08, 2009 05:06 PM        
quote:
You don't have to tighten them that much , and if you're really ham fisted locktite them without torquing them down that much and be done with it.

Just be sure to use VERY LITTLE loctite as too much will definately cause the rubber to tear before the loctite breaks loose.
I used loctite "stick" and had it happen.
A dead end threaded insert would be much better.
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posted February 08, 2009 08:19 PM        
Page Auto Supply
Lowerprices@clipsandfasteners.com
item # 120316111722 ten M6 by 1.00mm well nuts $3.99 ($.40 a well nut)
item # 390002699990 twenty five M5 by .8mm well nuts $13.99 ($.56 a well nut)
$4.19 shipping.

The big ones are 6mm and the little ones are 5mm.

I have them sitting in front of me with the reciept. At these prices replace them every time you remove the plastic.

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posted February 08, 2009 10:48 PM        
Well I lost one in the air box. I didn't think it was a big deal but I kind of did figure that nut had to go some where. How do I get it out?
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posted February 08, 2009 10:59 PM        
take the tank off, pull the plates and go fishing... I wouldn't put a wellnut in there again either but thats just me...
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posted February 09, 2009 06:43 AM        
Yeah, I found mine that fell in the second time I looked, and it was quite a relief. Just use a good flashlight and you should find it. Mine was at the very top of the airbox...
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posted February 10, 2009 05:35 PM        
If it wasn't for those stupid little ffffers I wouldn't have taken the flies out as soon, So maybe kawi designed em that way for a reason? Found mine just waiting to be sucked into cyl. #1.
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posted February 10, 2009 06:11 PM        
mine didn't strip as I've seen this before, but the rubber ripped and I had to pull it out. I ordered a new one but haven't received it yet.
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