speedfreak69
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posted July 16, 2008 12:15 PM
???BEST TURBO(RELIABLE) FOR A ZX-14
ANY INPUT WOULD BE GOOD. just curious to see what''s making good power (3-400 hp on pump gas) and yet still streetable/reliable.
  
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davej
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posted July 16, 2008 03:09 PM
I have 9200miles on the Muzzy stage 1 235hp @ 165 lbs of torque. stage 2 is around 285 hp. the turbo can put out 400 hp, 3/4 turbonetic. Scavenge pump is required. 300 hp and above require rods, valve springs, ignition, higher volume pump. Thought I had blow by but it was the oil level at fault. Bike has 19000 miles with zero problems with the bike or turbo.
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smokinzx14
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posted July 16, 2008 03:56 PM
ATT: No need to use the CAP LOCKS on every post..!!!!!!! If i wanted to get yelled at i would talk to my wife ......
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speedfreak69
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posted July 16, 2008 04:23 PM
yea we all know 1 wife is more than enough!!
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chrisrok
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posted July 16, 2008 05:33 PM
3-400 hp on pump gas aint gonna happen on a stock motor unless you got a big intercooler or an efficient water injection(aquamist). The stock zx14 pistons are trouble with any serious boost levels, along with the valve springs. Put some good pistons and valve springs in and go to town! I have made 360 hp with stock injectors with that combination on a ama/real street bike. But that is with vp c-16 in the tank. I know what some of the other so called zx14 turbo guys may say that they have flowed the injectors and they are only good for only 300 hp safely. That some nice theoretical information, but Im just giving you the real world, going down the track facts. You can safely make 270 hp on pump gas with a turbo that is sized correctly. An efficiently sized turbo when tuned correctly can keep inlet temps within reason and prevent detonation. Anything more than 250 on the street is pretty useless anyway. My real street bike makes 260hp on wastegate spring(5-6), and that is enough to still go 8.70's on a 60 inch bike with no lock-up. Have gone 8.40@176 with a little more boost. But back to your original question, 300 plus hp is a lot to ask for on pump gas without any form of intercooling. Just my 2 cents of opinion.
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davej
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posted July 16, 2008 05:46 PM
Missed that part of the thread about the gas, chrisrok is correct .Even 235 hp is a handful with stock wheel base not to mention tire wear.
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bigdtd
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posted July 16, 2008 07:05 PM
mine is a handfull without the turbo, yikes
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sj1400
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posted July 16, 2008 10:05 PM
Has anyone done a kit with an intercooler on the 14?
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ninja14
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posted July 16, 2008 10:13 PM
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3-400 hp on pump gas aint gonna happen on a stock motor unless you got a big intercooler or an efficient water injection(aquamist). .
I went round and round w/ an engineer and we decided that an intercooler that would work could simply not be fitted on the 14 and look decent.
I then decided to use water/meth injection, but finally just went w/ less boost since it's just a street ride.
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speedfreak69
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posted July 17, 2008 07:38 AM
thanks for the input. i appreciate everyones .02 because that lets me see the total picture from different angles. the reason i said 3-400hp is because my 02 busa ad an MCEXPRESS kit w/intercooler and it made 340hp on 93 octane and it was a daily driver w/no problems and a +4 inch arm. i'm looking into possibly getting a 14 next year and am trying to see what my options are. keep the input coming guys and thanks again!!
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dubious
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posted July 17, 2008 02:52 PM
MXCexpress has an intercooled kit for the 14... looked rough last time it was in development, but I am sure they cleaned it up by now.
They make a nice product.
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speedfreak69
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posted July 17, 2008 07:41 PM
yea, i had an MCXPRESS kit on my 02 busa. it made 340hp to the rear on 93 octane gas. rode normal until it hit 5500rpm's and then it was like someone flicked a switch. how's the VELOCITY kit for the 14's?
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speedfreak69
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posted July 18, 2008 04:17 PM
bump for VELOCITY TURBO for the 14?
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dubious
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posted July 19, 2008 07:15 AM
As far as the wicked surge in power on your busa, alot of that had to do with the small plenum fitted to the busa's.
The 14 has a very large airbox, creating a smooth power band, unless the kit utilizes an internal plenum....I am not sure what velocity is doing wih the airbox.
Velocity just started making the kits for the 14, and I think they are still developing them for production...
Call them !
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speedfreak69
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posted July 19, 2008 04:47 PM
hey dubious, what turbo are you running? my 05 busa had a GHETTO STAGE 2 turbo on it and it made good power. Stage 1 =260hp. Stage 2(turn on high beam switch)=340 and if i put race gas in and turned up the boost to 25psi, it made 425hp at the rear. i'm curious to see what turbo you're running and what kind of hp you're making. oh yea, my 05 had carillo h-beam rods. if i geta 14 and do a turbo, i would like to make 350+hp if possible, even if it means doin rods and pistons.
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dubious
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posted July 20, 2008 09:57 AM
I have an ATP kit with 30r Garret turbo, larger injectors, AEM regulator and mod fuel rail, with external wastegate, carillo rods and JE pistons, billet velocitystacks (required beyond 12 psi)
Cooper head with stainless oversized exh valves and springs. MTC lock up, adams pan , moded oil releif valve, evo shift star, FBG cut trans, bazzaz, MSD6sb, etc etc...
To make more than 320 HP you will need bigger injectors, and custom pistons/ rods if you want it to live. and velocity stacks to hold the boost in the box
The stock pistons have very little material above the top ring, and will burn the compression deck off, or actually distort the lightweight stock pistons.
I haven't had time to work on the bike and put it all together, new job out of town, reno home for sale, buying new house an moving 500 miles has dampened my progress.
Took a long time to gather all of the info, and even longer for parts, but should be right when I finally get done with it.
The ATP kit will move 475 HP worth air, and anything over ~300 may require C-16.
I wish I could get my hands on an intercooler! 
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speedfreak69
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posted July 20, 2008 11:07 AM
damn, that's what i'm talking about! that sounds like a nice set-up. wouldn't mind seeing it when it's done. i've never heard of ATP. are they new or have they been around?
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Hawkman
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posted July 20, 2008 12:07 PM
They're not new. Mostly do turbo systems for Hardley Ablesons.
ZX-Bob has the ATP kit on his. Has been super reliable, and strong.
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speedfreak69
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posted July 20, 2008 12:37 PM
how much are the kits? do they come in stage 1 or stage 2? or if it's easier, do they gave a website? thanks
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posted July 20, 2008 02:33 PM
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how much are the kits? do they come in stage 1 or stage 2? or if it's easier, do they gave a website? thanks
atp-hd.com
Harry sells more kits for HDs rite now cause there is more of a demand. His 30+ years
of turbo charging has been on Kawasaki's. (IMHO) His kits are one of the finest.
My bike is at 11K with the turbo kit now and no issues what so ever !
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posted July 20, 2008 09:16 PM
ATP doesn't do stages, his kit with Garret GT30R is capable of 475 HP max.
He sells one kit, capable of whatever the stock injectors can provide, ...about 320HP with 100psi on stock injectors I have been told.
I paid an extra $400 for an external waste gate option, and sourced the rest myself.
Call Harry, for more info.
He is a busy guy, and quite reserved, but very helpful when the cash is on the table.
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zxbob
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posted July 21, 2008 03:28 AM
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ATP doesn't do stages, his kit with Garret GT30R is capable of 475 HP max.
He sells one kit, capable of whatever the stock injectors can provide, ...about 320HP with 100psi on stock injectors I have been told.
I paid an extra $400 for an external waste gate option, and sourced the rest myself.
Call Harry, for more info.
He is a busy guy, and quite reserved, but very helpful when the cash is on the table.
Ya ..... what he said !
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speedfreak69
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posted July 21, 2008 08:29 AM
where is he located? i live in Delaware.
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iflyems
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posted July 21, 2008 09:33 AM
Van Nuys, CA.
(818) 785-2900
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speedfreak69
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posted July 21, 2008 09:44 AM
thanks! that's a little out of the way for me.
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