kawabunga
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posted April 24, 2008 04:56 PM
Muzzy SS Oil Filter
For all the 14 owners that are racing their bikes and or serious about just taking care of their motors, this is an excellent investment. You can read the details on the Muzzy website.
In my opinion everyone needs one of these.
We will be running this on our Baddazz ZX14.
You can remove the filter housing with a minimal loss of oil, remove the internal locking SS mesh element, wash it into a clean pan and monitor any metal fragments that may be there. This will give you advance warning of any possible failures that may become catastrophic. There is also a very strong magnet installed in the motor end of the filter.
One of the finest manufactured pieces I have seen. It is fluted on the end and comes with its own filter cup for tightening.
Depending on your exhaust system, Muzzy also offers offset mounts for these filters in the event of clearance issues or you are using dry sump or shallow pan.
  
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posted April 24, 2008 06:12 PM
X2!!! I have a K&P on my 14 and it works great
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posted April 24, 2008 10:59 PM
complete piece of shit. why would anyone want to reuse an oil filter??? 
dont waste your money, ask me how i know.
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posted April 25, 2008 02:15 AM
Looks like a scotts, aint nothing new..
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posted April 25, 2008 04:40 AM
OK!! How do you know?
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posted April 25, 2008 04:58 AM
I have it and I am running it...
Awsome filter...
Magnet takes out anything that could cause an issue debree wise...
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posted April 25, 2008 05:24 AM
 Edited By: countersteer on 25 Apr 2008 06:31
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OK!! How do you know?
oil starvation issue on my zx12! this is why i havent got a 1375 stroker anymore! my advise would be to stay away from this crap.
found a pic:
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posted April 25, 2008 05:24 AM
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Looks like a scotts, aint nothing new..
And the hypermuzzypro dampers......, street meg exhaust, etc. etc.
Muzzy copies a lot of other companies things.........
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posted April 25, 2008 07:46 AM
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quote:
OK!! How do you know?
oil starvation issue on my zx12! this is why i havent got a 1375 stroker anymore! my advise would be to stay away from this crap.
Ouch!
Oil pressure seems to be fine.
I change my oil every 3000kms. I use full synthetic.
I hope this prolongs the life of the bike.
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posted April 25, 2008 02:12 PM
I can tell you one thing about Muzzy there new M-14 pipe just FLAT WORKS!!!! it makes great power and More MPH then my SMEG did and that is with an oval can not a megaphone can... I have no experience with the oil filter though But if Mr. Muzzy wants to send me one I will let you guys know what I think. and also while on the Muzzy topic The Valve Springs are GREAT as well. if you gonna spray a descent shot of nitrous on the 14 you need some springs and these for the money are as good if not better then any I have seen.
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posted April 25, 2008 02:17 PM
NOX- I guess you are not old enough to know who did the first street meg.
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posted April 25, 2008 02:24 PM
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NOX- I guess you are not old enough to know who did the first street meg.
so who was it? Racer 1?
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posted April 25, 2008 02:40 PM
Wow, those rods looked like mine did after a good pass on the Koenig pan........
That sucks...........
I know a shop that had several frams mess up, and would not do right. Oil light would not go off on the bikes......, (all makes). They quit, and only use KN filters, and one other brand, forgot which though. I have always used KN filters, and never had any issues that relate to the filter. My wifes civic has one, and my motorhome's 454 has a 2 qt KN on it.
I guess it would fall back on how good you cleaned the thing.........
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posted April 25, 2008 05:30 PM
Edited By: kawabunga on 25 Apr 2008 18:33
The last 1375 all Muzzy stroker I built for a client 4 months ago is going strong and getting stronger. Oil starvation is not understanding the oiling system and making the corrections needed for the upgrades installed in the motor. Don't blame it on the motor or the parts in it. The motors are proven and the parts are proven. The only unknown is usually the builders knowledge. I have used Muzzy performance parts for as long as there have been Muzzy performance parts with no failures.
Maybe had you been using an oil filter you could inspect, clean and reinstall you would have had a hint of what was happening before it went boom. Only takes a minute to check. high performance motors require inspection. They are no longer stock, so the periodic maintenance schedule doesn't apply any longer. You have make your own. Did you ever inspect your oil? Those rods do not look like they went all at one time. That appears to have been a gradual failure that gave notice that wasn't noticed.
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posted April 25, 2008 05:39 PM
What oil pan was on the bike......?
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posted April 25, 2008 06:08 PM
The only reason I wouldn't run that filter is it allows larger microns through that other filters don't. I know it has a magnet but I recently read an article on different oil filters and this filter flows oil very well but "filters" the oil poorly.
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posted April 25, 2008 06:40 PM
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The last 1375 all Muzzy stroker I built for a client 4 months ago is going strong and getting stronger. Oil starvation is not understanding the oiling system and making the corrections needed for the upgrades installed in the motor. Don't blame it on the motor or the parts in it. The motors are proven and the parts are proven. The only unknown is usually the builders knowledge. I have used Muzzy performance parts for as long as there have been Muzzy performance parts with no failures.
Maybe had you been using an oil filter you could inspect, clean and reinstall you would have had a hint of what was happening before it went boom. Only takes a minute to check. high performance motors require inspection. They are no longer stock, so the periodic maintenance schedule doesn't apply any longer. You have make your own. Did you ever inspect your oil? Those rods do not look like they went all at one time. That appears to have been a gradual failure that gave notice that wasn't noticed.
on the contrary, the motor went over a period of a few miles, within a mile of my home. furthermore, joey hahn @ orient, who did the rebuild, specifically said it was the billet oil filter that caused the problem. i am no engine guru, but i dont think a modified oil pan would have helped - nor was one ever recommended to me for the 1375 setup, so i kept the original on. i believe i only had a few hundred miles on the 1375.
basically, joey explained what caused the failure- specifically that everything was A1 on the bike and the filter was the weakest link and a piece of garbage, causing an oil starvation. ill take joes word over yours any day of the week - especially since youre sponsored by muzzy and want more free parts out of him.
this was an expensive lesson to be learned, and hopefully by me pointing out that this billet oil filter POS should be avoided will get me some good karma or something.
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posted April 25, 2008 06:57 PM
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters
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There's a new type of filter being marketed, the "laser cut stainless steel filter," which we're told is "good for the life of your vehicle."
These filters typically have 35-40 micron holes, which is really not acceptable. They typically have 30-40 square inches of filter material, which is really not acceptable. A paper based element is a 3 dimensional filter - when a particle gets stuck deep in the filter element, oil can still flow around it. The stainless steel elements are 2 dimensional - when a particle gets caught, one of the holes is clogged up.
I don't see how you can assure that all the holes get cleared out when you clean these. Certainly simply soaking the filter in kerosene is not going to release particles that have been jammed into a hole at 60psi. Blowing the filter out with air sounds good, but a motorcycle filter is too small to let an air hose inside.
These stainless steel filters cost about $120, about 25 times what I pay for a Pure One. Since I use my filters for about 8,000 miles, that means I have to go 200,000 miles to break even. I've never put more than 60,000 miles on a vehicle.
I don't think this technology is ready to use yet. When the holes get down to 20 microns, and the surface area up to about 100-150 square inches, then I think I'll consider using one. Meanwhile, "good for the life of your vehicle" is not an impressive claim if the device shortens the life of your vehicle.
ill find some more reviews of this, its just hard to find a writeup from someone that isnt trying to sell you something.
for the record, i am a perfectionist and keep my bikes immaculate. oil and filter changes every 1000 miles or less, using Kawi OEM products. oil window, tire pressure, and possible fluid leaks checked before every ride.
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posted April 25, 2008 06:59 PM
This should be interesting........
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posted April 25, 2008 07:07 PM
Edited By: countersteer on 25 Apr 2008 20:44
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The last 1375 all Muzzy stroker I built for a client 4 months ago is going strong and getting stronger.
so what happened to the other 1375 strokers you have built? how many have you done? are you saying that a motor you just recently built in january, which probably hasnt been ridden much since, is considered to be reliable and stable despite its limited use?
apparently, the general consensus is that this particular motor combo does not last very long on the street - but the brilliant minds over in the 12r section have that shit down to a SCIENCE, and requires much attention to make it last. not my cup of tea for the daily drivers my bikes are used for.
edit:
not to derail this filter thread (which is really just an ad plug for muzzys), but i suppose the above ^ was also worth mentioning.
furthermore, this product is actually made by k&p engineering, with muzzy/scotts stamping their name on it and adding a $ markup.
anyone with actual lubrication/motor knowledge, please chime in. im always up for learning something.
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posted April 25, 2008 07:52 PM
I can buy the filtration argument, the K&P( muzzy) whatever you want to call it is rated at 35microns. BUT, i cannot understand how oil starvation could have been caused by this filter, as there is no doubt it flows oil very well, more than a paper element filter. Not taking away from joey hahn or Orient, but i dont understand that argument. who built the motor the first time?
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posted April 25, 2008 08:11 PM
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I can buy the filtration argument, the K&P( muzzy) whatever you want to call it is rated at 35microns. BUT, i cannot understand how oil starvation could have been caused by this filter, as there is no doubt it flows oil very well, more than a paper element filter. Not taking away from joey hahn or Orient, but i dont understand that argument. who built the motor the first time?
i would have to say, that *perhaps* the metal mesh is easily clogged. i also dont believe that blowing it out with compressed air, or cleaning it with kerosene will really get the particles out which were forced into the mesh. i really dont know for sure, but i have my assumptions on what could have happened. the local shop/dealership here "maximum motorsports" did the original build. it was a badass setup when i had it.
also, i feel the specs on this filter are exaggerated. they make some rather excessive and seemingly selective claims about filtration and flow specs, comparing it to "good paper filters". i would like to see this data compared to an OEM or any premium filter, as the advertisements for this billet filter are very vague. furthermore, i would be interesting in knowing what *real* race bikes use this, as i have never heard of a single racer using a non-paper style filter. almost every "review" of this was done by non-technical joe-shmoes, and only repeats the claims from scotts website, and adds "wow it looks so good!".
how could there be any possible advantage by reusing an oil filter???
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posted April 25, 2008 09:37 PM
Countersteer, I think you got lyed to. There is NO WAY that an oil filter that had as few miles as you say yours had on it clogged up enough to starve your motor for oil, unless there was some other underlying issue. Use your brain man and dont just blindly listen to someone. THINK!! As far as this being a Muzzy Ad. Do you say the same thing about post about Brocks stuff?? TRUST ME there are some people on here getting free stuff from Brock too, as a matter of fact the person who has had the most info and strongest recomendation for Brocks merchandise gets his stuff for free. Just food for thought.
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posted April 25, 2008 09:56 PM
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Countersteer, I think you got lyed to. There is NO WAY that an oil filter that had as few miles as you say yours had on it clogged up enough to starve your motor for oil, unless there was some other underlying issue. Use your brain man and dont just blindly listen to someone. THINK!! As far as this being a Muzzy Ad. Do you say the same thing about post about Brocks stuff?? TRUST ME there are some people on here getting free stuff from Brock too, as a matter of fact the person who has had the most info and strongest recomendation for Brocks merchandise gets his stuff for free. Just food for thought.
i know for sure that there are several members here who will say anything for free products, and i know youre also one of them. i have always pointed this shit out, and have had interesting conversations with members ive pissed off by exposing them.
as far as joe hahn, a GOD in the motorcycling industry with a reputation second to NONE lying to me? NO WAY.
i do not remember exactly how many miles, but it was certainly less than 1000 on the 1375 motor. the oil had been changed once after the build. HOWEVER i was using the scotts oil filter on the original motor, and had several thousand miles on it already.
the scenario as best as i can assume: billet oil filter gets used rigorously on stock zx12 motor, oil changed and filter "cleaned". very doubtful to truly clean out the mesh pores 100%, as particles are forced into the mesh at high psi. muzzys 1375 kit installed, new oil and "cleaned" filter. as you know, when building a motor there will be excessive debris particles from break-in etc. oil changed, filter "cleaned", then seizure. the flowing of this billet oil filter will be reduced over time, as i believe it will be nearly impossible to purge all the shit it collects. how much flow reduction can only be speculated.
the billet filter will continue trapping metallic flakes and whatever else, "cleaning" will not remove all of it, thus its performance in circulating oil will surely degrade.
therefore, deductive logic tells me that had i been using a disposable filter, i would never have had this problem.
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posted April 26, 2008 12:40 AM
Not to fuel the fire, but you'd need a pretty damn big "clog" to create an oil deprivation issue on any motor. Maybe the size of a small bird? My partner has the scotts, the bike is still running strong with 20,000 miles on the odometer. Hard miles.
I thought about keeping the filter when I sold the 2000, but I don't like hassle of cleaning it. Its far too easy to buy a new one(PureOne) and install it. No kerosene, no waiting, and I know for a fact that every 3ooo miles, I'm gettin a truely clean filter.
It does look great though. 
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